Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

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So the USSS is blaming the locals and throwing them under the bus?

WOW, I wish I'd have said that three days ago.
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techno-ag said:




Well… before 9-11 you could add taking box cutters onto a plane to that list. But it was not prohibited back then and they did it.
It wasn't really the box cutters that created the 9-11 mess. It was the current policy to capitulate to all armed would-be hijackers, because we, as a society, were not prepared to deal with suicide terrorists yet.

If 4 people somehow did sneak box cutters onto a plane in 2024 and tried to hijack the plane, they would be stomped to death by about 100 irate passengers.

If you are not prepared to stop a person who is measuring up the exact distance between themselves and a VIP target, why have counter-snipers at all?
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/3089551/fbi-director-declines-request-testify-trump-shooting/
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FBI director declines House committee request to testify about Trump shooting
By Anna Giaritelli July 18, 2024 4:05 pm Washington Examiner

FBI Director Christopher Wray declined the House Homeland Security Committee's request to testify next week on Capitol Hill about the assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump, a committee aide has confirmed to the Washington Examiner.

The refusal puts lawmakers and government officials further at odds following the shooting at Saturday's Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

Lawmakers have pushed federal authorities in the Biden administration for answers about how the shooter was able to get so close to Trump and how the situation unfolded in general.

The FBI did not respond to a request for comment about whether the agency would approve a different official on the same date or whether Wray would appear at a different date and time.....

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Multiple agencies got a president shot. How the **** do you simply decline to testify before Congress? If they don't show then they need to be drug by their heels into that hearing as soon as they're located!
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WolfCall said:


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/3089551/fbi-director-declines-request-testify-trump-shooting/
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FBI director declines House committee request to testify about Trump shooting
By Anna Giaritelli July 18, 2024 4:05 pm Washington Examiner

FBI Director Christopher Wray declined the House Homeland Security Committee's request to testify next week on Capitol Hill about the assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump, a committee aide has confirmed to the Washington Examiner.

The refusal puts lawmakers and government officials further at odds following the shooting at Saturday's Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

Lawmakers have pushed federal authorities in the Biden administration for answers about how the shooter was able to get so close to Trump and how the situation unfolded in general.

The FBI did not respond to a request for comment about whether the agency would approve a different official on the same date or whether Wray would appear at a different date and time.....

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Sounds like Wray needs some time in the pen then. That's how it worked with Trump's folks.
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So the first three shots were the gunman, the last volley came from USSS? If so, sounds like he peaked out when he got hit. Had he hopped off the roof, he may have made it out. Though likely identifiable.
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Ag In Ok said:

So the first three shots were the gunman, the last volley came from USSS? If so, sounds like he peaked out when he got hit. Had he hopped off the roof, he may have made it out. Though likely identifiable.


I think the kid got off 8 rounds.
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Ag In Ok said:

So the first three shots were the gunman, the last volley came from USSS? If so, sounds like he peaked out when he got hit. Had he hopped off the roof, he may have made it out. Though likely identifiable.


There were bystanders watching him and videoing. They would have beat his ass to death if he made it off that roof.
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Guitarsoup said:

Ag In Ok said:

So the first three shots were the gunman, the last volley came from USSS? If so, sounds like he peaked out when he got hit. Had he hopped off the roof, he may have made it out. Though likely identifiable.


I think the kid got off 8 rounds.
8? The dead firefighter, Trump, two other bystanders and the hydraulic line? Assuming the bullet that went through Trump's hit either another person or the hydralic line, where did the other shots go?
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aggiehawg said:

Guitarsoup said:

Ag In Ok said:

So the first three shots were the gunman, the last volley came from USSS? If so, sounds like he peaked out when he got hit. Had he hopped off the roof, he may have made it out. Though likely identifiable.


I think the kid got off 8 rounds.
8? The dead firefighter, Trump, two other bystanders and the hydraulic line? Assuming the bullet that went through Trump's hit either another person or the hydralic line, where did the other shots go?


One of the injured was hit twice.

Only two rounds not accounted for. Given one hit the tractor hydraulics, it's plausible those two are somewhere down range from the stage too
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So no sound from the USSS returning fire?
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Ag In Ok said:

So no sound from the USSS returning fire?


The snipers on the south roof took a shot that you can hear, it was a while after the volley made by the idiot kid
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Ag In Ok said:

So no sound from the USSS returning fire?


No I was just talking about Crooks. There were two counter sniper shots. One hit and the second later presumably an anchor shot.
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they initially reported 8

But I think that was the initial count, of all the shots.

Looks like he got off 3-4 and the rest were return fire.
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AgGrad99 said:

they initially reported 8

But I think that was the initial count, of all the shots.

Looks like he got off 3-4 and the rest were return fire.


I don't think it took secret service a half dozen shots to dome him
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Puts together a lot of what we know and videos from various places.
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agent-maroon said:

Multiple agencies got a president shot. How the **** do you simply decline to testify before Congress? If they don't show then they need to be drug by their heels into that hearing as soon as they're located!
BS on all that. Time for Comer to subpoena Wray's sorry @ss.
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The System said:

agent-maroon said:

Multiple agencies got a president shot. How the **** do you simply decline to testify before Congress? If they don't show then they need to be drug by their heels into that hearing as soon as they're located!
BS on all that. Time for Comer to subpoena Wray's sorry @ss.
And Wray will just ignore it.
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aggiehawg said:

The System said:

agent-maroon said:

Multiple agencies got a president shot. How the **** do you simply decline to testify before Congress? If they don't show then they need to be drug by their heels into that hearing as soon as they're located!
BS on all that. Time for Comer to subpoena Wray's sorry @ss.
And Wray will just ignore it.
Easiest way to avoid being charged with lying to Congress is to not testify before Congress.
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Guitarsoup said:

Ag In Ok said:

So the first three shots were the gunman, the last volley came from USSS? If so, sounds like he peaked out when he got hit. Had he hopped off the roof, he may have made it out. Though likely identifiable.


I think the kid got off 8 rounds.

8…before he was engaged by counter sniper fire?

How the hell is that even possible unless the fix was in?
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FireAg said:

Guitarsoup said:

Ag In Ok said:

So the first three shots were the gunman, the last volley came from USSS? If so, sounds like he peaked out when he got hit. Had he hopped off the roof, he may have made it out. Though likely identifiable.


I think the kid got off 8 rounds.

8…before he was engaged by counter sniper fire?

How the hell is that even possible unless the fix was in?


I think the view of the North Snipers were blocked by a tree and the South Snipers were patrolling a different area. You can see them change where they were looking right before Trump was shot.
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I think the view of the North Snipers were blocked by a tree and the South Snipers were patrolling a different area. You can see them change where they were looking right before Trump was shot.
Something I have wondered about for several days now. Warning shots? To attract the snipers' attention to the direction? Scream on the radio channel, "firing a single warning shot to direct you to the guy on the roof with a gun!" BOOM!

Over here!!!! Plus hearing a shot from behind him would have thrown the shooter off as well. Risky for crowd control and possible stampede but what was the most pressing objective? Protecting the protectee.
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aggiehawg said:

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I think the view of the North Snipers were blocked by a tree and the South Snipers were patrolling a different area. You can see them change where they were looking right before Trump was shot.
Something I have wondered about for several days now. Warning shots? To attract the snipers' attention to the direction? Scream on the radio channel, "firing a single warning shot to direct you to the guy on the roof with a gun!" BOOM!

Over here!!!! Plus hearing a shot from behind him would have thrown the shooter off as well. Risky for crowd control and possible stampede but what was the most pressing objective? Protecting the protectee.


Warning shots? That's what Grandpa Joe thinks you should do
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Rough illustration of the approximate number of shots and their trajectory (should a slight rise)
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Guitarsoup said:

FireAg said:

Guitarsoup said:

Ag In Ok said:

So the first three shots were the gunman, the last volley came from USSS? If so, sounds like he peaked out when he got hit. Had he hopped off the roof, he may have made it out. Though likely identifiable.


I think the kid got off 8 rounds.

8…before he was engaged by counter sniper fire?

How the hell is that even possible unless the fix was in?


I think the view of the North Snipers were blocked by a tree and the South Snipers were patrolling a different area. You can see them change where they were looking right before Trump was shot.

Do you believe they were really that incompetent and this was all luck?
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captkirk said:



Maybe the deeply troubling news events are linked to DEI.
Trump will fix it.
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captkirk said:





Obtuse comes to mind. Willful deception dressed up as virtue
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Appalled is to nice of a word many have for the secret service
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Guitarsoup said:

nortex97 said:

Oswald's shot was much more challenging, vs. a moving target (and waving etc) using a craptastic surplus italian bolt action rifle he wasn't overly familiar with (obviously without a scope, though Oswald was a better marksman by all accounts). Just my two cents, sorry, not trying to get in trouble with a…much longer topic.

Crooks' shot, unrushed, if at center mass, is one any 10-12 year old in Texas who has gone deer hunting makes.


That rifle was considered accurate, Oswald had a 4x scope, and the distance was significantly less. Don't know why you think he was unfamiliar with the rifle, he had it over 6mo at the time he shot Kennedy. Plus, Oswald was trained in the Marines and had earned the Sharpshooter designation. There is the slowly moving car that made it somewhat more difficult, but tests showed the scope led it perfectly for that very slow speed.

Both Oswald and Crooks shots were pretty easy. Crooks had the advantage of a modern gun and a less mobile target, but Oswald had Marine training, much shorter distances, a 4x scope, and less pressure since no one knew he was there or suspicious.


LHO's rifle data book that was cited in the Warren Commission report showed that while he scored a 212 of 250 possible points (low Sharpshooter) on qualification, his best performance was in the 200m rapid fire string where he put 8 rounds in the black and 2 rounds just outside the black. Surprisingly, a scan of this document is posted at the following link.

https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/345171706200220-lee-harvey-oswalds-us-marine-corps-rifle-score-book-warren-commission-exhibit-no-239

The following link is an Anglefire blog post from 25 years ago by a guy named Sully who was the Command Duty Officer at the Marine Corps Command Center on Nov 23, 1963. It would take too long to explain why but, just read Sully's narrative for some information that is not widely known about Lee Harvey Oswald and his relationship to a person riding in the Lincoln limousine at Dealy Plaza that day.

https://www.angelfire.com/ca4/gunnyg/vignettes24.html
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She looks like Shane Gillis to me


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