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Yes, next time you attempt an assassination, please carry ID. It makes the process that much easier for ATF.

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Step 1: remove assassin's phone from pocket of assassin's corpse.
Step 2: dial 911 with the phone
Step 3: trace the source phone number of the phone in coordination with the phone company.

Required time: 5 minutes.

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They didn't have access to the cell phone initially + I would imagine removing and using stuff from a dead man's pocket would be a pretty big violation of crime scene norms.

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True but you can see how the average security guy at a gate or random passersby might think its binoculars of some type.

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A security person at an event featuring a POTUS? No, not really. Maybe a random passerby if it weren't for the fact that someone had already correctly identified it as a rangefinder. Otherwise they would have said Crooks was seen using binoculars 3 hours before Trump walked on the stage.

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Heads should roll if true.

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It's 2024. We'll see Kimberly Cheatle promoted to SecDef.

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BREAKING: US Senator John Barrasso tells Fox News the person who attempted to assassinate Trump was identified as a 'character of suspicion' by law enforcement 'over an hour before the shooting actually occurred'.

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Believe we already knew that right? The cops on site saw him, sent the report in and then he was off their radar until the spectators saw him crawling on the building and reported it? What isn't clear is what actions were taken when the initial report was made or where on the chain of command it went, which is why we really need the SS in charge of the scene to testify.

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Yes, next time you attempt an assassination, please carry ID. It makes the process that much easier for ATF.

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Step 1: remove assassin's phone from pocket of assassin's corpse.
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Step 3: trace the source phone number of the phone in coordination with the phone company.

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They didn't have access to the cell phone initially + I would imagine removing and using stuff from a dead man's pocket would be a pretty big violation of crime scene norms.

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Not what I would call a normal crime scene.

Also, you can make a 911 call from a locked phone.

The shooters mat supports the theory he planned to shoot from the ground, then realized these bafoons left the top of a the metal building uncovered and accessible.

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Was it a two story building?

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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In the Bongino post, he claims that local PD was originally supposed have a sniper team in the building where the sniper was. Instead they set up indoors on the second floor.

Another TA poster correctly noted that the building on which the shooter was posted only had one story.

Then come Foreverconservative's post of the two story building attached to the other building.

If Bongino is correct that the local PD snipers were in that second story building adjacent to the shooter's location, then the screw up appears even worse, because they should have seen everything from that position.

Perhaps nobody was in the two story building or they were but weren't paying attention. Either way, it ijust confirms that the entire security operation was a complete SNAFU.

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If they were in the second story and were setup a ways back from the window (necessary due to length of rifle, etc.) it is likely that they couldn't see directly down to where the shooter was on the roof without leaving their rifles and moving up to the window.

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True, but they should be able to see the crowd beneath acting strange looking and pointing to the roof of the building next to them. There was a few minutes of time to see that and take a peek at what the people below were looking at.

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I would imagine at some point, yes they probably noticed the uproar, but assuming they were doing their jobs correctly, they probably had an assigned area of observation and were focused on that.

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Good point. I am likely wrong that the team in the second story window would have seen the sniper, but when thinking about how that situation would play out regarding team communication it doesn't add up.

Window team:
"I see people stirring and looking the direction of the building to my left out of my area of coverage. Possibly to the roof. Anyone have eyes on that?"

What response from others would make the window team not look down to the roof of the building next to them? And if they got an 'all clear' response, then who gave that response when it clearly was not all clear?

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Taking the reports that USSS was understaffed as true ...

At a MINIMUM the chief of the executive branch turned off the A/C in his political opponents locker room.

No talking around that fact.

And that seems like the starting point for any further discussion.

Understaffing of your opponents security detail is the worst excuse of all time.

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Ya - that excuse just doesn't work for me when there are 3,200 Secret Service agents. I know not all of them are going to be the armed security for the president/president families/former presidents - but that's still a big pool of people to work with.

Feel like claiming they are understaffed is setting up the excuse to blame Trump for the shooting because he wants to have all these large events on short notice around the country. AKA campaigning for President.

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Except it doesn't mean the entire SS was understaffed. It means Trump's security was under/poorly staffed. Also, not all SS agents are assigned to or trained for protection details.

The best agents are guarding Biden, Harris, and their families. Trump got the D team at best with a few good ones mixed.

Would be no surprise at all that giving Trump crappy security wasn't done on purpose with the hopes something bad would happen. That is the kind of nefarious behavior which is easy to do and is not part of any actual plot. Heck, no one would have to even order it because the true believers are in position to do it.

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Hard to believe that after fighting a 20-years war on terror we stretched thin on people that can competently secure a perimeter and identify a potential threat.

Some high percentage of the best trained people to do this job are sitting at home on their couch because they got tired of the bs.

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A security person at an event featuring a POTUS? No, not really. Maybe a random passerby if it weren't for the fact that someone had already correctly identified it as a rangefinder. Otherwise they would have said Crooks was seen using binoculars 3 hours before Trump walked on the stage.

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The article I read made a point of saying they can be mistaken for binoculars, but if they absolutely identified it as a range finder, ok. Still odd to take shots from where you're not shooting from.

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

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The gunman who attempted to assassinate former President Trump on Saturday was identified as suspicious by law enforcement more than an hour before he opened fire, Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., told Fox News after a briefing between Senate lawmakers and the U.S. Secret Service.

"He was identified as a character of suspicion because [he had] a rangefinder as well as a backpack. And this was over an hour before the shooting actually occurred," Barrasso said. "So, you would think over the course of that hour, you shouldn't lose sight of the individual. Somebody ought to be following up on those sorts of things. No evidence of that happening at all."

Fox News was told that the Secret Service was aware of the threat before Trump walked on stage and narrowly survived an assassination attempt.

A Secret Service agent in charge of security for the event was on the phone with local and state police about the threat while the shooting took place, Barrasso said.

Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., who also took part in a briefing with the Secret Service and the FBI, said she was "appalled to learn the Secret Service knew about a threat prior to President Trump walking on stage."

"I have no confidence in the leadership of Director Cheatle and believe it is in the best interest of our nation if she steps down from her position," Blackburn wrote in a post on X.

Also that the SS agent in charge was on the phone with local PD about the threat when shots were fired. Unreal.

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And yes, she checked at least 3 DEI boxes...

Let me guess.....there was no budget for body cameras.

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Does bashing Trump, Trumpers and MAGA ever get old for you? Or is your TDS just that strong? This was a massive security failure involving a former president and current republican nominee and unlike anything else that most have seen in their lifetimes. This wasn't a random potshot taken by some loon because some random opportunity presented itself. Instead you have the shooter acknowledged 3 hours before at the gate, you have him seen by multiple witnesses both security personnel and civilians in the AGR area, he shoots from a spot that the USSS called too steep or too hot for security personnel's safety, also the spot he chose to attempt an assassination from just happens to be the building that is the staging location for a counter sniper team, the shooter gets seen by cops and counter snipers and still has time to get off one well aimed shot that hits Trump and group of follow up shots that kill one, and injure two......AND we're the ones trying to make this fit a narrative. Good God, if you can't recognize that something is amiss then there is no reason to take you serious ever again.

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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In the Bongino post, he claims that local PD was originally supposed have a sniper team in the building where the sniper was. Instead they set up indoors on the second floor.

Another TA poster correctly noted that the building on which the shooter was posted only had one story.

Then come Foreverconservative's post of the two story building attached to the other building.

If Bongino is correct that the local PD snipers were in that second story building adjacent to the shooter's location, then the screw up appears even worse, because they should have seen everything from that position.

Perhaps nobody was in the two story building or they were but weren't paying attention. Either way, it ijust confirms that the entire security operation was a complete SNAFU.

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If they were in the second story and were setup a ways back from the window (necessary due to length of rifle, etc.) it is likely that they couldn't see directly down to where the shooter was on the roof without leaving their rifles and moving up to the window.

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True, but they should be able to see the crowd beneath acting strange looking and pointing to the roof of the building next to them. There was a few minutes of time to see that and take a peek at what the people below were looking at.

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I would imagine at some point, yes they probably noticed the uproar, but assuming they were doing their jobs correctly, they probably had an assigned area of observation and were focused on that.

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Good point. I am likely wrong that the team in the second story window would have seen the sniper, but when thinking about how that situation would play out regarding team communication it doesn't add up.

Window team:
"I see people stirring and looking the direction of the building to my left out of my area of coverage. Possibly to the roof. Anyone have eyes on that?"

What response from others would make the window team not look down to the roof of the building next to them? And if they got an 'all clear' response, then who gave that response when it clearly was not all clear?

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Yeah, totally agree and I am not trying to absolve them of anything. Just saying that just because they could have bagged the guy with a hammer from their position doesn't mean they screwed up by not seeing him sooner. But the other positions should have been on the radio to them asking them to put eyes on the guy instead of some cop standing on somebody else's shoulders.

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In fact the protection team leader was on the phone to DC reporting the threat when Trump took the stage and was still on the phone when shots rang out

This bunch are an insult to the Keystone Cops

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In fact the protection team leader was on the phone to DC reporting the threat when Trump took the stage and was still on the phone when shots rang out

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They never should have let Trump in the stage until they knew the intent of the suspicious person.

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In fact the protection team leader was on the phone to DC reporting the threat when Trump took the stage and was still on the phone when shots rang out

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They never should have let Trump in the stage until they knew the intent of the suspicious person.

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Obviously, no big deal, right guys?

JUST IN: Secret Service was aware of the potential threat 10 minutes before Donald Trump took the stage in Pennsylvania but let him go out anyway.

The revelation was made during a Senate briefing today.

Sen. Marsha Blackburn says she was "appalled to learn the Secret Service… pic.twitter.com/gDSIZ0XX33

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"Nevermind, we can't find the guy now. Continue as planned."

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its just click bait....multiple shots here.

This idiot isn't qualified to run a Drive-Thru Service at McDonalds, let alone the US Secret Service.

Its very clear that she wanted the result that she nearly got. No one is that stupid.

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In fact the protection team leader was on the phone to DC reporting the threat when Trump took the stage and was still on the phone when shots rang out

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They never should have let Trump in the stage until they knew the intent of the suspicious person.

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Can't really know his intent until he crawls up on a building and fires off a couple of rounds.

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Or... and this is just a thought...

They could maybe stop and question him...?

Check.

And this is the guy whose people the SS 'leadership' wanted to point the fingers at:

BREAKING.🚨

"There was a blanket tactical channel being used. Everyone who was on that tactical channel heard it."

The local officer that confronted the Trump rally shooter radioed in to a shared police channel that there was an armed gunman on the roof prior to former… pic.twitter.com/WmxeZuSJgq

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Yet again (sorry if repetitive on this thread etc), no excuse for leaving Trump on the "X" for the shooter given what was known, and documented thoroughly, for anywhere from 26 minutes to 3 hours.

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They never should have let Trump in the stage until they knew the intent of the suspicious person.

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Or... and this is just a thought...

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🚨🇺🇸NEW FOOTAGE SHOWS TRUMP DODGED PERFECTLY AIMED SHOT

Close-up footage reveals Thomas Crooks' shot was perfectly centered on Trump's head.

Trump’s 'head tilt' to look at a screen graphic and leaning into the microphone saved his life.

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Check.

And this is the guy whose people the SS 'leadership' wanted to point the fingers at:

BREAKING.🚨

"There was a blanket tactical channel being used. Everyone who was on that tactical channel heard it."

The local officer that confronted the Trump rally shooter radioed in to a shared police channel that there was an armed gunman on the roof prior to former… pic.twitter.com/WmxeZuSJgq

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Yet again (sorry if repetitive on this thread etc), no excuse for leaving Trump on the "X" for the shooter given what was known, and documented thoroughly, for anywhere from 26 minutes to 3 hours.

It's real damn hard to see this as merely 'incompetence' on the USSS team planning/leadership, imho.

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🚨🇺🇸NEW FOOTAGE SHOWS TRUMP DODGED PERFECTLY AIMED SHOT

Close-up footage reveals Thomas Crooks' shot was perfectly centered on Trump's head.

Trump’s 'head tilt' to look at a screen graphic and leaning into the microphone saved his life.

The footage was captured just seconds… pic.twitter.com/PDtNxBaAXy

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No doubt he would have been dead if he'd not turned and leaned a bit forward. That is absolutely nuts.

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🚨🇺🇸NEW FOOTAGE SHOWS TRUMP DODGED PERFECTLY AIMED SHOT

Close-up footage reveals Thomas Crooks' shot was perfectly centered on Trump's head.

Trump’s 'head tilt' to look at a screen graphic and leaning into the microphone saved his life.

The footage was captured just seconds… pic.twitter.com/PDtNxBaAXy

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And people were mocking those of us who acknowledged that his slight head turn saved his life.