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True but you can see how the average security guy at a gate or random passersby might think its binoculars of some type.

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A security person at an event featuring a POTUS? No, not really. Maybe a random passerby if it weren't for the fact that someone had already correctly identified it as a rangefinder. Otherwise they would have said Crooks was seen using binoculars 3 hours before Trump walked on the stage.

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rolo said:

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BREAKING: US Senator John Barrasso tells Fox News the person who attempted to assassinate Trump was identified as a 'character of suspicion' by law enforcement 'over an hour before the shooting actually occurred'.

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) July 17, 2024

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Secolobo said:

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Sure…
You can't make this F'n stuff up.


How the ATF identified the Trump rally shooter in 30 minutes

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CNN

Within 30 minutes of the shooting at Donald Trump's Pennsylvania rally on Saturday, federal law enforcement used a byzantine paper records system to track down decade-old gun sales records to help identify the 20-year-old would-be assassin.

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Yes, next time you attempt an assassination, please carry ID. It makes the process that much easier for ATF.

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Step 1: remove assassin's phone from pocket of assassin's corpse.
Step 2: dial 911 with the phone
Step 3: trace the source phone number of the phone in coordination with the phone company.

Required time: 5 minutes.

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They didn't have access to the cell phone initially + I would imagine removing and using stuff from a dead man's pocket would be a pretty big violation of crime scene norms.

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txags92 said:

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txags92 said:

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ex-agent Dan Bongino claims Thomas Crooks' vantage point roof was due to be covered but no one turned up for work amid blistering criticism of director Kimberly Cheatle https://t.co/mgVhyL6a7v

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 17, 2024

Dan is not one to go with soft/unverified claims.

Caution:language but yes, all of this:

BREAKING: Dan Bongino says there was supposed to be a tactical team on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but they chose to post up in a 2nd-floor window instead.

Bongino accused the USSS of "bullsh*tting" and lying to the American people.

Bongino suggested that the sn*per… pic.twitter.com/JDrEvOG70t

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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Was it a two story building?

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Next to it

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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In the Bongino post, he claims that local PD was originally supposed have a sniper team in the building where the sniper was. Instead they set up indoors on the second floor.

Another TA poster correctly noted that the building on which the shooter was posted only had one story.

Then come Foreverconservative's post of the two story building attached to the other building.

If Bongino is correct that the local PD snipers were in that second story building adjacent to the shooter's location, then the screw up appears even worse, because they should have seen everything from that position.

Perhaps nobody was in the two story building or they were but weren't paying attention. Either way, it ijust confirms that the entire security operation was a complete SNAFU.

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If they were in the second story and were setup a ways back from the window (necessary due to length of rifle, etc.) it is likely that they couldn't see directly down to where the shooter was on the roof without leaving their rifles and moving up to the window.

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True, but they should be able to see the crowd beneath acting strange looking and pointing to the roof of the building next to them. There was a few minutes of time to see that and take a peek at what the people below were looking at.

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I would imagine at some point, yes they probably noticed the uproar, but assuming they were doing their jobs correctly, they probably had an assigned area of observation and were focused on that.

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FrioAg 00 said:

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The shooters mat supports the theory he planned to shoot from the ground, then realized these bafoons left the top of a the metal building uncovered and accessible.

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agent-maroon said:

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True but you can see how the average security guy at a gate or random passersby might think its binoculars of some type.

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A security person at an event featuring a POTUS? No, not really. Maybe a random passerby if it weren't for the fact that someone had already correctly identified it as a rangefinder. Otherwise they would have said Crooks was seen using binoculars 3 hours before Trump walked on the stage.

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BuddysBud said:

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Foreverconservative said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ex-agent Dan Bongino claims Thomas Crooks' vantage point roof was due to be covered but no one turned up for work amid blistering criticism of director Kimberly Cheatle https://t.co/mgVhyL6a7v

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 17, 2024

Dan is not one to go with soft/unverified claims.

Caution:language but yes, all of this:

BREAKING: Dan Bongino says there was supposed to be a tactical team on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but they chose to post up in a 2nd-floor window instead.

Bongino accused the USSS of "bullsh*tting" and lying to the American people.

Bongino suggested that the sn*per… pic.twitter.com/JDrEvOG70t

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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Was it a two story building?

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Next to it

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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It's 2024. We'll see Kimberly Cheatle promoted to SecDef.

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TxAgLaw03RW said:

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Also that the SS agent in charge was on the phone with local PD about the threat when shots were fired. Unreal.

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Tea Party said:

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txags92 said:

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Tea Party said:

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txags92 said:

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BuddysBud said:

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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BuddysBud said:

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Foreverconservative said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ex-agent Dan Bongino claims Thomas Crooks' vantage point roof was due to be covered but no one turned up for work amid blistering criticism of director Kimberly Cheatle https://t.co/mgVhyL6a7v

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 17, 2024

Dan is not one to go with soft/unverified claims.

Caution:language but yes, all of this:

BREAKING: Dan Bongino says there was supposed to be a tactical team on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but they chose to post up in a 2nd-floor window instead.

Bongino accused the USSS of "bullsh*tting" and lying to the American people.

Bongino suggested that the sn*per… pic.twitter.com/JDrEvOG70t

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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Was it a two story building?

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Next to it

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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In the Bongino post, he claims that local PD was originally supposed have a sniper team in the building where the sniper was. Instead they set up indoors on the second floor.

Another TA poster correctly noted that the building on which the shooter was posted only had one story.

Then come Foreverconservative's post of the two story building attached to the other building.

If Bongino is correct that the local PD snipers were in that second story building adjacent to the shooter's location, then the screw up appears even worse, because they should have seen everything from that position.

Perhaps nobody was in the two story building or they were but weren't paying attention. Either way, it ijust confirms that the entire security operation was a complete SNAFU.

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If they were in the second story and were setup a ways back from the window (necessary due to length of rifle, etc.) it is likely that they couldn't see directly down to where the shooter was on the roof without leaving their rifles and moving up to the window.

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True, but they should be able to see the crowd beneath acting strange looking and pointing to the roof of the building next to them. There was a few minutes of time to see that and take a peek at what the people below were looking at.

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I would imagine at some point, yes they probably noticed the uproar, but assuming they were doing their jobs correctly, they probably had an assigned area of observation and were focused on that.

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Good point. I am likely wrong that the team in the second story window would have seen the sniper, but when thinking about how that situation would play out regarding team communication it doesn't add up.

Window team:
"I see people stirring and looking the direction of the building to my left out of my area of coverage. Possibly to the roof. Anyone have eyes on that?"

What response from others would make the window team not look down to the roof of the building next to them? And if they got an 'all clear' response, then who gave that response when it clearly was not all clear?

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BuddysBud said:

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Being reported on FNC now that SS had notice that Crooks was a threat about ten minutes BEFORE Trump was allowed to take the stage.

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In fact the protection team leader was on the phone to DC reporting the threat when Trump took the stage and was still on the phone when shots rang out

This bunch are an insult to the Keystone Cops

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They never should have let Trump in the stage until they knew the intent of the suspicious person.

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BCG Disciple said:

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BuddysBud said:

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Foreverconservative said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Being reported on FNC now that SS had notice that Crooks was a threat about ten minutes BEFORE Trump was allowed to take the stage.

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In fact the protection team leader was on the phone to DC reporting the threat when Trump took the stage and was still on the phone when shots rang out

This bunch are an insult to the Keystone Cops

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They never should have let Trump in the stage until they knew the intent of the suspicious person.

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Can't really know his intent until he crawls up on a building and fires off a couple of rounds.

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JUST IN: Secret Service was aware of the potential threat 10 minutes before Donald Trump took the stage in Pennsylvania but let him go out anyway.

The revelation was made during a Senate briefing today.

Sen. Marsha Blackburn says she was "appalled to learn the Secret Service… pic.twitter.com/gDSIZ0XX33

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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lb3 said:

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Not sure if this belongs here.

What the heck is going in here?????? Multiple shooters??pic.twitter.com/fCaJcW8IH3

— TheQuartering (@TheQuartering) July 17, 2024

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Ricochet?

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BCG Disciple said:

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Foreverconservative said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Being reported on FNC now that SS had notice that Crooks was a threat about ten minutes BEFORE Trump was allowed to take the stage.

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In fact the protection team leader was on the phone to DC reporting the threat when Trump took the stage and was still on the phone when shots rang out

This bunch are an insult to the Keystone Cops

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They never should have let Trump in the stage until they knew the intent of the suspicious person.

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Can't really know his intent until he crawls up on a building and fires off a couple of rounds.

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