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yell_on_6th st said:

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Honest question to which no one here knows the answer: how many people woke up Saturday and knew what was about to go down?

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There was a buzz something was about to pop off.

Talked to multiple people before and since that felt that way.

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Who on that scene exactly have you talked to that det that….

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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yell_on_6th st said:

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Honest question to which no one here knows the answer: how many people woke up Saturday and knew what was about to go down?

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There was a buzz something was about to pop off.

Talked to multiple people before and since that felt that way.

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Who on that scene exactly have you talked to that det that….

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Im talking generally man.

People you talk to day to day all had a collective consciousness that something about to break.

Nobody on the scene. And big stretch to have me come back and clarify that.

I got other points to make but here we are at.

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Was the rangefinder recovered? I can easily see why it might not have received a second thought…

Looks (and acts) like binoculars

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You can use a pistol to hammer nails, but that's not what anybody assumes you're using it for.

ETA - "rangefinder" =/= "rangefinding binoculars"

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Taking the reports that USSS was understaffed as true ...

At a MINIMUM the chief of the executive branch turned off the A/C in his political opponents locker room.

No talking around that fact.

And that seems like the starting point for any further discussion.

Understaffing of your opponents security detail is the worst excuse of all time.

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Ya - that excuse just doesn't work for me when there are 3,200 Secret Service agents. I know not all of them are going to be the armed security for the president/president families/former presidents - but that's still a big pool of people to work with.

Feel like claiming they are understaffed is setting up the excuse to blame Trump for the shooting because he wants to have all these large events on short notice around the country. AKA campaigning for President.

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Except it doesn't mean the entire SS was understaffed. It means Trump's security was under/poorly staffed. Also, not all SS agents are assigned to or trained for protection details.

The best agents are guarding Biden, Harris, and their families. Trump got the D team at best with a few good ones mixed.

Would be no surprise at all that giving Trump crappy security wasn't done on purpose with the hopes something bad would happen. That is the kind of nefarious behavior which is easy to do and is not part of any actual plot. Heck, no one would have to even order it because the true believers are in position to do it.

IF this is true, this is enough to start a government inquiry. Get the SEC involved.

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B-1 83 said:

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Was the rangefinder recovered? I can easily see why it might not have received a second thought…

Looks (and acts) like binoculars

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You can use a pistol to hammer nails, but that's not what anybody assumes you're using it for.

ETA - "rangefinder" =/= "rangefinding binoculars"

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No, I'm pretty sure someone hammering a nail with a pistol would be looked at with a great amount of scrutiny. I'm also reasonably sure that there are rangefinders out there that 90% of the people on this board would simply write off as binocs. You want to explain how he wanders around with a rangefinder, with lots of folks carrying binocs, and there you are.

Edit. One story specifically said they can look like binoculars. If he did have the single lens ones, you have a point, that's why I asked if they had found it yet.

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Ag13 said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Taking the reports that USSS was understaffed as true ...

At a MINIMUM the chief of the executive branch turned off the A/C in his political opponents locker room.

No talking around that fact.

And that seems like the starting point for any further discussion.

Understaffing of your opponents security detail is the worst excuse of all time.

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Ya - that excuse just doesn't work for me when there are 3,200 Secret Service agents. I know not all of them are going to be the armed security for the president/president families/former presidents - but that's still a big pool of people to work with.

Feel like claiming they are understaffed is setting up the excuse to blame Trump for the shooting because he wants to have all these large events on short notice around the country. AKA campaigning for President.

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Except it doesn't mean the entire SS was understaffed. It means Trump's security was under/poorly staffed. Also, not all SS agents are assigned to or trained for protection details.

The best agents are guarding Biden, Harris, and their families. Trump got the D team at best with a few good ones mixed.

Would be no surprise at all that giving Trump crappy security wasn't done on purpose with the hopes something bad would happen. That is the kind of nefarious behavior which is easy to do and is not part of any actual plot. Heck, no one would have to even order it because the true believers are in position to do it.

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Hard to believe that after fighting a 20-years war on terror we stretched thin on people that can competently secure a perimeter and identify a potential threat.

Some high percentage of the best trained people to do this job are sitting at home on their couch because they got tired of the bs.

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B-1 83 said:

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Was the rangefinder recovered? I can easily see why it might not have received a second thought…

Looks (and acts) like binoculars

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You can use a pistol to hammer nails, but that's not what anybody assumes you're using it for.

ETA - "rangefinder" =/= "rangefinding binoculars"

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True but you can see how the average security guy at a gate or random passersby might think its binoculars of some type.

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so the pic from above would have been taken with him by that curb below the 2nd story windows

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Is this in reference to the pic circulating around Sat evening of a guy in the same shirt with his hand on some type of cement curb/grass? If so, I never was clear if that was the troll Thomas Crooks from CO that kind of looked like him or actually the shooter. In the earlier video where the shooter is walking around, its seems like it was him in that pic, looks like him. Further, in one of the articles posted, it noted at one point in the 3 hour window when he came in he was observed crawling on the ground or something. So I think that was him in that overhead pic.

I'm still a little confused on the magnetometer/secured entrance. It sounds like he came in that way with the rangefinder and they cleared him. Then he supposedly went back to his car or somewhere and retrieved backpack, rifle, and possibly the ladder. Somehow he got to the building with all that stuff bypassing security so when they say the building was "outside the perimeter" that must mean that people in that vicinity didn't have to access that area through the security checkpoint. That is crazy considering how many people were near that building during the speech.

This is either the single most gross lack of acting on knowledge in the history of the country since 9/11 or a complete and utter inside job by shadow puppets to eliminate a president

Could he have come in, scouted, found the weak place, left, then retrieved his gun and other gear? Where was the entrance in relationship to his eventual perch?

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agent-maroon said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Was the rangefinder recovered? I can easily see why it might not have received a second thought…

Looks (and acts) like binoculars

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You can use a pistol to hammer nails, but that's not what anybody assumes you're using it for.

ETA - "rangefinder" =/= "rangefinding binoculars"

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True but you can see how the average security guy at a gate or random passersby might think its binoculars of some type.

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so the pic from above would have been taken with him by that curb below the 2nd story windows

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Is this in reference to the pic circulating around Sat evening of a guy in the same shirt with his hand on some type of cement curb/grass? If so, I never was clear if that was the troll Thomas Crooks from CO that kind of looked like him or actually the shooter. In the earlier video where the shooter is walking around, its seems like it was him in that pic, looks like him. Further, in one of the articles posted, it noted at one point in the 3 hour window when he came in he was observed crawling on the ground or something. So I think that was him in that overhead pic.

I'm still a little confused on the magnetometer/secured entrance. It sounds like he came in that way with the rangefinder and they cleared him. Then he supposedly went back to his car or somewhere and retrieved backpack, rifle, and possibly the ladder. Somehow he got to the building with all that stuff bypassing security so when they say the building was "outside the perimeter" that must mean that people in that vicinity didn't have to access that area through the security checkpoint. That is crazy considering how many people were near that building during the speech.

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If binos with a range finder was observed its going to be described as binos not a range finder. Since it was described as a range finder it is going to be a monocular and far more common.

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Could he have come in, scouted, found the weak place, left, then retrieved his gun and other gear? Where was the entrance in relationship to his eventual perch?

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That's what I'm not sure of. I'm pretty sure that's what he was doing (scouting) in the 3 hours before the speech. Hard to believe though that he just showed up that day scouting but anything is possible. Even basic Google earth searches would have yielded some intel to him.

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Secolobo said:

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Sure…
You can't make this F'n stuff up.


How the ATF identified the Trump rally shooter in 30 minutes

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CNN

Within 30 minutes of the shooting at Donald Trump's Pennsylvania rally on Saturday, federal law enforcement used a byzantine paper records system to track down decade-old gun sales records to help identify the 20-year-old would-be assassin.

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Yes, next time you attempt an assassination, please carry ID. It makes the process that much easier for ATF.

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Step 1: remove assassin's phone from pocket of assassin's corpse.
Step 2: dial 911 with the phone
Step 3: trace the source phone number of the phone in coordination with the phone company.

Required time: 5 minutes.

rolo said:

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This is either the single most gross lack of acting on knowledge in the history of the country since 9/11 or a complete and utter inside job by shadow puppets to eliminate a president

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Still waiting for a surprise reveal that they were running some kind of drill or 'security audit' at the time of the incident and there was confusion surrounding that.

Rapier108 said:

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Ag13 said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Taking the reports that USSS was understaffed as true ...

At a MINIMUM the chief of the executive branch turned off the A/C in his political opponents locker room.

No talking around that fact.

And that seems like the starting point for any further discussion.

Understaffing of your opponents security detail is the worst excuse of all time.

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Ya - that excuse just doesn't work for me when there are 3,200 Secret Service agents. I know not all of them are going to be the armed security for the president/president families/former presidents - but that's still a big pool of people to work with.

Feel like claiming they are understaffed is setting up the excuse to blame Trump for the shooting because he wants to have all these large events on short notice around the country. AKA campaigning for President.

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Except it doesn't mean the entire SS was understaffed. It means Trump's security was under/poorly staffed. Also, not all SS agents are assigned to or trained for protection details.

The best agents are guarding Biden, Harris, and their families. Trump got the D team at best with a few good ones mixed.

Would be no surprise at all that giving Trump crappy security wasn't done on purpose with the hopes something bad would happen. That is the kind of nefarious behavior which is easy to do and is not part of any actual plot. Heck, no one would have to even order it because the true believers are in position to do it.

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So the assumption is that Trump had an understaffed and/or D team protecting him, AND a lone wolf just happen to be there and make their way through the gaps in security? It certainly is plausible.

1) But, how often would Trump have the D or F team before it became noticeable that he was being underprotected?

2) Also, how often are assassination attempts made historically that have been successfully thwarted?
I genuinely do not know, but the recent news about a credible Iranian threat being thwarted makes me think that it is not as common. When have you seen big gov avoid a chance to publicly showcase how 'good' they are at their jobs?

With those two factors combined, yes it could be a fluke, but I'd wager it's better odds that big gov was complicit at best or had a hand in it at worst. But it's all just speculation at this point until the facts come to light.

B-1 83 said:

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Could he have come in, scouted, found the weak place, left, then retrieved his gun and other gear? Where was the entrance in relationship to his eventual perch?

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There was tall cyclone fence that marked the boundary for the fairgrounds to the privately owned AGR complex of buildings. He was the AGR side of that fence. The security checkpoint was on the fairgrounds side of that fence.

Even the cops used a police car to breach that fence after the shooting.

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True but you can see how the average security guy at a gate or random passersby might think its binoculars of some type.

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A security person at an event featuring a POTUS? No, not really. Maybe a random passerby if it weren't for the fact that someone had already correctly identified it as a rangefinder. Otherwise they would have said Crooks was seen using binoculars 3 hours before Trump walked on the stage.

BusterAg said:

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Hornbeck said:

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Secolobo said:

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Sure…
You can't make this F'n stuff up.


How the ATF identified the Trump rally shooter in 30 minutes

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CNN

Within 30 minutes of the shooting at Donald Trump's Pennsylvania rally on Saturday, federal law enforcement used a byzantine paper records system to track down decade-old gun sales records to help identify the 20-year-old would-be assassin.

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Yes, next time you attempt an assassination, please carry ID. It makes the process that much easier for ATF.

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Step 1: remove assassin's phone from pocket of assassin's corpse.
Step 2: dial 911 with the phone
Step 3: trace the source phone number of the phone in coordination with the phone company.

Required time: 5 minutes.

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They didn't have access to the cell phone initially + I would imagine removing and using stuff from a dead man's pocket would be a pretty big violation of crime scene norms.

rolo said:

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This is either the single most gross lack of acting on knowledge in the history of the country since 9/11 or a complete and utter inside job by shadow puppets to eliminate a president

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9/11 was both and so was this. You dont have stocks of airlines being shorted by power players without prior knowledge and you dont short stock of someone like Trump unless you know he is about to take the final fall.

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Not sure if this belongs here.

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Ricochet?

Ahhhh, yes, but the media made it sound like the only way to ID the guy was with the outdated, reams of paper in a box way of looking through old FFL records.

ETA: you're telling me the media has an agenda?!?

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Even the cops used a police car to breach that fence after the shooting.

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Sounds like the USSS contingency plan was going full on Duke Boys.

No egress route.

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nortex97 said:

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Ex-agent Dan Bongino claims Thomas Crooks' vantage point roof was due to be covered but no one turned up for work amid blistering criticism of director Kimberly Cheatle https://t.co/mgVhyL6a7v

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 17, 2024

Dan is not one to go with soft/unverified claims.

Caution:language but yes, all of this:

BREAKING: Dan Bongino says there was supposed to be a tactical team on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but they chose to post up in a 2nd-floor window instead.

Bongino accused the USSS of "bullsh*tting" and lying to the American people.

Bongino suggested that the sn*per… pic.twitter.com/JDrEvOG70t

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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Was it a two story building?

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Next to it

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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In the Bongino post, he claims that local PD was originally supposed have a sniper team in the building where the sniper was. Instead they set up indoors on the second floor.

Another TA poster correctly noted that the building on which the shooter was posted only had one story.

Then come Foreverconservative's post of the two story building attached to the other building.

If Bongino is correct that the local PD snipers were in that second story building adjacent to the shooter's location, then the screw up appears even worse, because they should have seen everything from that position.

Perhaps nobody was in the two story building or they were but weren't paying attention. Either way, it ijust confirms that the entire security operation was a complete SNAFU.

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If they were in the second story and were setup a ways back from the window (necessary due to length of rifle, etc.) it is likely that they couldn't see directly down to where the shooter was on the roof without leaving their rifles and moving up to the window.

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True, but they should be able to see the crowd beneath acting strange looking and pointing to the roof of the building next to them. There was a few minutes of time to see that and take a peek at what the people below were looking at.

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I would imagine at some point, yes they probably noticed the uproar, but assuming they were doing their jobs correctly, they probably had an assigned area of observation and were focused on that.