Taking everything on X with a grain of salt .....

Saw a clip of some woman claiming that the SS shooter in the pictures was told not to shoot Crooks before, and during the shots that were fired. He shot Crooks anyway, and supposedly has been fired for "disobeying orders."

Curious if anyone else has seen/hear this. If true, wow!

CoppellAg93 said:

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Taking everything on X with a grain of salt .....

Saw a clip of some woman claiming that the SS shooter in the pictures was told not to shoot Crooks before, and during the shots that were fired. He shot Crooks anyway, and supposedly has been fired for "disobeying orders."

Curious if anyone else has seen/hear this. If true, wow!

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I feel like if that was true Bongino or someone would scoop it.

CoppellAg93 said:

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Taking everything on X with a grain of salt .....

Saw a clip of some woman claiming that the SS shooter in the pictures was told not to shoot Crooks before, and during the shots that were fired. He shot Crooks anyway, and supposedly has been fired for "disobeying orders."

Curious if anyone else has seen/hear this. If true, wow!

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This originated from a fake account posted online, that's proven to be a troll.

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CoppellAg93 said:

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Taking everything on X with a grain of salt .....

Saw a clip of some woman claiming that the SS shooter in the pictures was told not to shoot Crooks before, and during the shots that were fired. He shot Crooks anyway, and supposedly has been fired for "disobeying orders."

Curious if anyone else has seen/hear this. If true, wow!

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This originated from a fake account posted online, that's proven to be a troll.

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Cool - thanks. Never know these days.

Given the outside venue and that a potential shooter could be a threat from a LONG way away, I'm wondering if they set up in a window that would give a vantage point on the opposite side to allow them to see further out. Really should have had both covered

Agree. Read that the SS has 7800 employees. If only 1 out of 20 is a field agent of some sort, then they still have 400 agents that could be deployed. Seems adequate to me...

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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Ex-agent Dan Bongino claims Thomas Crooks' vantage point roof was due to be covered but no one turned up for work amid blistering criticism of director Kimberly Cheatle https://t.co/mgVhyL6a7v

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 17, 2024

Dan is not one to go with soft/unverified claims.

Caution:language but yes, all of this:

BREAKING: Dan Bongino says there was supposed to be a tactical team on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but they chose to post up in a 2nd-floor window instead.

Bongino accused the USSS of "bullsh*tting" and lying to the American people.

Bongino suggested that the sn*per… pic.twitter.com/JDrEvOG70t

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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Was it a two story building?

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Next to it

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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In the Bongino post, he claims that local PD was originally supposed have a sniper team in the building where the sniper was. Instead they set up indoors on the second floor.

Another TA poster correctly noted that the building on which the shooter was posted only had one story.

Then come Foreverconservative's post of the two story building attached to the other building.

If Bongino is correct that the local PD snipers were in that second story building adjacent to the shooter's location, then the screw up appears even worse, because they should have seen everything from that position.

Perhaps nobody was in the two story building or they were but weren't paying attention. Either way, it ijust confirms that the entire security operation was a complete SNAFU.

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If they were in the second story and were setup a ways back from the window (necessary due to length of rifle, etc.) it is likely that they couldn't see directly down to where the shooter was on the roof without leaving their rifles and moving up to the window.

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Taking the reports that USSS was understaffed as true ...

At a MINIMUM the chief of the executive branch turned off the A/C in his political opponents locker room.

No talking around that fact.

And that seems like the starting point for any further discussion.

Understaffing of your opponents security detail is the worst excuse of all time.

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Ya - that excuse just doesn't work for me when there are 3,200 Secret Service agents. I know not all of them are going to be the armed security for the president/president families/former presidents - but that's still a big pool of people to work with.

Feel like claiming they are understaffed is setting up the excuse to blame Trump for the shooting because he wants to have all these large events on short notice around the country. AKA campaigning for President.

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they set up indoors on the second floor.

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July, middle of the day.

Where the consensus gonna be to set up shop?

Inside in the shade or on a hot metal roof?

Didn't have to think too hard to make that decision I bet.

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Given the outside venue and that a potential shooter could be a threat from a LONG way away, I'm wondering if they set up in a window that would give a vantage point on the opposite side to allow them to see further out. Really should have had both covered

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Outside the SS security perimeter, remember? Claiming that responsibility was the local LEO. Which is absolute BS in any world but this one.

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If they were in the second story and were setup a ways back from the window (necessary due to length of rifle, etc.) it is likely that they couldn't see directly down to where the shooter was on the roof without leaving their rifles and moving up to the window.

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That is why they are a team of two. Spotters.

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If they were in the second story and were setup a ways back from the window (necessary due to length of rifle, etc.) it is likely that they couldn't see directly down to where the shooter was on the roof without leaving their rifles and moving up to the window.

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That is why they are a team of two. Spotters.

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Agreed, but usually the spotter has a rifle too, so they would both be setup back from the window.

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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Ex-agent Dan Bongino claims Thomas Crooks' vantage point roof was due to be covered but no one turned up for work amid blistering criticism of director Kimberly Cheatle https://t.co/mgVhyL6a7v

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 17, 2024

Dan is not one to go with soft/unverified claims.

Caution:language but yes, all of this:

BREAKING: Dan Bongino says there was supposed to be a tactical team on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but they chose to post up in a 2nd-floor window instead.

Bongino accused the USSS of "bullsh*tting" and lying to the American people.

Bongino suggested that the sn*per… pic.twitter.com/JDrEvOG70t

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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Was it a two story building?

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Next to it

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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In the Bongino post, he claims that local PD was originally supposed have a sniper team in the building where the sniper was. Instead they set up indoors on the second floor.

Another TA poster correctly noted that the building on which the shooter was posted only had one story.

Then come Foreverconservative's post of the two story building attached to the other building.

If Bongino is correct that the local PD snipers were in that second story building adjacent to the shooter's location, then the screw up appears even worse, because they should have seen everything from that position.

Perhaps nobody was in the two story building or they were but weren't paying attention. Either way, it ijust confirms that the entire security operation was a complete SNAFU.

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Damn. This is convoluted and confusing.

I thought the sniper team, a 3rd team, planned to be on the AGR property did not show.

If the sniper team was USSS or local police is an unknown. I suspect that 3rd USSS sniper team did not show.

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Taking the reports that USSS was understaffed as true ...

At a MINIMUM the chief of the executive branch turned off the A/C in his political opponents locker room.

No talking around that fact.

And that seems like the starting point for any further discussion.

Understaffing of your opponents security detail is the worst excuse of all time.

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Ya - that excuse just doesn't work for me when there are 3,200 Secret Service agents. I know not all of them are going to be the armed security for the president/president families/former presidents - but that's still a big pool of people to work with.

Feel like claiming they are understaffed is setting up the excuse to blame Trump for the shooting because he wants to have all these large events on short notice around the country. AKA campaigning for President.

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The fact that they had augmented with random people from DEA is pretty wild.

If you have some kind of a unit doing something at a high level you just can't sub-in random people just because they a LE officer or been through some level of training doesn't mean anything and ofter times works to a disadvantage of the whole team.

It incredulous how they could just augment in random other federal LE officers.

That happens, but not at the highest possible level.

The only person with more priority than the POTUS and VP should have been the candidate that 50+% of Americans are expected to vote for.

How about that for election interference? We pretty far removed from some Russians posting on Facebook now aren't we?

Absolutely incredulous.

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BuddysBud said:

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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BuddysBud said:

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Foreverconservative said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ex-agent Dan Bongino claims Thomas Crooks' vantage point roof was due to be covered but no one turned up for work amid blistering criticism of director Kimberly Cheatle https://t.co/mgVhyL6a7v

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 17, 2024

Dan is not one to go with soft/unverified claims.

Caution:language but yes, all of this:

BREAKING: Dan Bongino says there was supposed to be a tactical team on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but they chose to post up in a 2nd-floor window instead.

Bongino accused the USSS of "bullsh*tting" and lying to the American people.

Bongino suggested that the sn*per… pic.twitter.com/JDrEvOG70t

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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Was it a two story building?

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Next to it

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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In the Bongino post, he claims that local PD was originally supposed have a sniper team in the building where the sniper was. Instead they set up indoors on the second floor.

Another TA poster correctly noted that the building on which the shooter was posted only had one story.

Then come Foreverconservative's post of the two story building attached to the other building.

If Bongino is correct that the local PD snipers were in that second story building adjacent to the shooter's location, then the screw up appears even worse, because they should have seen everything from that position.

Perhaps nobody was in the two story building or they were but weren't paying attention. Either way, it ijust confirms that the entire security operation was a complete SNAFU.

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If they were in the second story and were setup a ways back from the window (necessary due to length of rifle, etc.) it is likely that they couldn't see directly down to where the shooter was on the roof without leaving their rifles and moving up to the window.

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True, but they should be able to see the crowd beneath acting strange looking and pointing to the roof of the building next to them. There was a few minutes of time to see that and take a peek at what the people below were looking at.

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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BuddysBud said:

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Foreverconservative said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ex-agent Dan Bongino claims Thomas Crooks' vantage point roof was due to be covered but no one turned up for work amid blistering criticism of director Kimberly Cheatle https://t.co/mgVhyL6a7v

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 17, 2024

Dan is not one to go with soft/unverified claims.

Caution:language but yes, all of this:

BREAKING: Dan Bongino says there was supposed to be a tactical team on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but they chose to post up in a 2nd-floor window instead.

Bongino accused the USSS of "bullsh*tting" and lying to the American people.

Bongino suggested that the sn*per… pic.twitter.com/JDrEvOG70t

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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Was it a two story building?

---

Next to it

---

If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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Not SS personnel - believe all of them were inside the perimeter and police were charged with securing that building, but potentially local cops.

nortex97 said:

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Let's all keep this thread focused on what we know, and can hear/reasonably infer from the data out there.

Greg Price is onto something:

They caught him with a range finder 3 hours before the shooting and did nothing.

They spotted him 30 minutes before the shooting and did nothing.

They took a literal picture of him and did nothing.

Members of the crowd were pointing at him and did nothing.

They left the most… https://t.co/W3NtyCYvYZ

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) July 17, 2024

What were his parents worried about, and what message was relayed, if any, to the SS, when?

WTH is this about pic.twitter.com/lR6ypitfqo

— Karli Bonne’ 🇺🇸 (@KarluskaP) July 17, 2024

Butler Township police commissioner denies (adamantly) the building was their responsibility;



Glad to see the 'inside job' perception has spread over the past few days, personally.

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On the question of who was responsible for what AOR ... there had to be a detailed security plan.

It's incredulous that there wasn't a detailed security plan that shows where people at and who responsible for what.

The fact that we arguing over who was responsible for what like the spiderman meme is incredulous.

bobbranco said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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BuddysBud said:

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Foreverconservative said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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nortex97 said:

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Ex-agent Dan Bongino claims Thomas Crooks' vantage point roof was due to be covered but no one turned up for work amid blistering criticism of director Kimberly Cheatle https://t.co/mgVhyL6a7v

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 17, 2024

Dan is not one to go with soft/unverified claims.

Caution:language but yes, all of this:

BREAKING: Dan Bongino says there was supposed to be a tactical team on the roof where Thomas Crooks shot from but they chose to post up in a 2nd-floor window instead.

Bongino accused the USSS of "bullsh*tting" and lying to the American people.

Bongino suggested that the sn*per… pic.twitter.com/JDrEvOG70t

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 17, 2024

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Was it a two story building?

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Next to it

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If the snipers were in that two story building, they could take out the shooter with a blow gun.

Things just don't add up.

Edit to add, a sniper team posted on top of that building would make a lot more sense.

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So are there reports that there was SS personnel in the two story building? The more that comes out the more it seems intentional. The shorting of the stock is very 9/11. Totally normal to short a stock massively the week before a horrific event.

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Not SS personnel - believe all of them were inside the perimeter and police were charged with securing that building, but potentially local cops.

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Butler PA commissioner, see statement above, says that local cops were on traffic duty only.

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Sorry, "local" in this sense was confusing but I basically meant "non Secret Service." A lot of unverified info flying around but I believe those would have been state police. Commissioner is probably tired of his small town group of cops getting thrown under the bus by the supposed best security force in the country.

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More unverified reports, claims, and Twitter posts, but because they fit the desired narrative of a massive plot against Trump, they must be accepted to be true.

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Just curious, I agree with you on just about everything politically, but where is the moral "line in the sand" for the various government agencies in your opinion when it comes to Trump?

They'll perpetrate and draw out complete hoaxes in an attempt to hamstring him and ruin his presidency, they will constantly paint conservatives as the one and only domestic threat this country faces, they will flat out lie and brainwash and gaslight over viruses and fake "vaccines", they will collude with certain companies to try to rig elections against Trump...but they stop at actually harming a hair on his head? He represents such a threat to their power structure (and who knows what else) that they will give max effort to install their preferred candidate (Biden)...but they would never actually hurt him in any way.

Does that kind of sum up where you stand? Trump is so inisanely dangerous that they would completely upend our "democracy" and subvert the will of the people to stop him (for our own good), but they would never hurt him in any way when it looks like he is almost a shoe-in to be the next prez?

I don't necessarily believe this shooter had help, but there are such gaping holes and monumental head scratchers that my mind can't help but wonder. But to rule it out as a complete impossibility. We are only a few decades removed from other govt assassinations/attempts and unsuspecting black men being killed in warped scientific experiments...Where do the feds draw the line when it comes to Trump? Do they now have a moral compass after many years of not?

Anybody have any idea what the rules, regulations and restrictions for entering the premises of the rally were?

No umbrellas, no tripods no x, y, z. ...etc.

I bet there was a whole list of dos and don'ts for attendees, but somehow this kid with a spotting scope wasn't a priority.

Memaw set up an umbrella on the side of her Rascal and security would have probably swarmed her ass as being a security risk.

Is there any map showing where the "security perimeter" and entrances were located?

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More unverified reports, claims, and Twitter posts, but because they fit the desired narrative of a massive plot against Trump, they must be accepted to be true.

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Also, it doesn't take a massive conspiracy with a hundred people in the know. If a slackjawed halfwit lone-wolf can do this all on his own with stunning ease, is it THAT crazy to think he possibly could have had help/tips from another lone-wolf at the local PD, state PD or federal level? I could see ONE PERSON at either of these levels helping make the difference. One person who truly believes that Trump is either (a) American Hitler, or (b) poses the most imminent threat to our country or "democracy".

Again, maybe shooter had zero help and it's just the luckiest string of coincidences allowing him to carry out what ANYONE would assume is an impossible mission...my only point is that it doesn't have to be a massive coordinated plot. Could be 1 or 2 people helping him...with zero others in the know or connected in any way.

Was the rangefinder recovered? I can easily see why it might not have received a second thought…

Looks (and acts) like binoculars

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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nortex97 said:

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Let's all keep this thread focused on what we know, and can hear/reasonably infer from the data out there.

Greg Price is onto something:

They caught him with a range finder 3 hours before the shooting and did nothing.

They spotted him 30 minutes before the shooting and did nothing.

They took a literal picture of him and did nothing.

Members of the crowd were pointing at him and did nothing.

They left the most… https://t.co/W3NtyCYvYZ

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) July 17, 2024

What were his parents worried about, and what message was relayed, if any, to the SS, when?

WTH is this about pic.twitter.com/lR6ypitfqo

— Karli Bonne’ 🇺🇸 (@KarluskaP) July 17, 2024

Butler Township police commissioner denies (adamantly) the building was their responsibility;



Glad to see the 'inside job' perception has spread over the past few days, personally.

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On the question of who was responsible for what AOR ... there had to be a detailed security plan.

It's incredulous that there wasn't a detailed security plan that shows where people at and who responsible for what.

The fact that we arguing over who was responsible for what like the spiderman meme is incredulous.

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A detailed security plan should also take the excuse of being unsure about it being a friendly with a gun on top of the roof. You would think any sniper with the authority and responsibility to kill a threat to protect a president would have to know in an extremely detailed way where any potential friendly fire locations are.

I really hope security plans, decision rationales, and even communication recordings all comes out in public. If not the so called "conspiracy theories" are never going to end (see the Kennedy assassination).