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New info on the cop on the roof. Did not use a ladder. The roof is only one story high.

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WPXI said sources said Crooks was still on the ground when Trump began speaking.

Kinght said there was then "a radio transmission indicating that there was a suspicious individual on the rooftop, [and it] was my understanding [that] was our officers' first notification to begin moving towards that building.

"Two of the officers went to what appeared to be the lowest point from ground to roof. One of the officers actually boosted the second officer up high enough for him to grab hold of the roof. He did in fact see an individual on the roof with a weapon."

Crooks pointed his rifle at the officer, Knight said, as the officer hung on to the roof with both hands, unable to reach his radio or his own weapon.

The officer "lost his own grip and fell approximately eight feet to the ground".
Shortly after that, Crooks opened fire.

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https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/17/trump-rally-shooting-cellphone-detonator

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That's been known for a while.

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techno-ag said:

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New info on the cop on the roof. Did not use a ladder. The roof is only one story high.

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WPXI said sources said Crooks was still on the ground when Trump began speaking.

Kinght said there was then "a radio transmission indicating that there was a suspicious individual on the rooftop, [and it] was my understanding [that] was our officers' first notification to begin moving towards that building.

"Two of the officers went to what appeared to be the lowest point from ground to roof. One of the officers actually boosted the second officer up high enough for him to grab hold of the roof. He did in fact see an individual on the roof with a weapon."

Crooks pointed his rifle at the officer, Knight said, as the officer hung on to the roof with both hands, unable to reach his radio or his own weapon.

The officer "lost his own grip and fell approximately eight feet to the ground".
Shortly after that, Crooks opened fire.

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https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/17/trump-rally-shooting-cellphone-detonator

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That's been known for a while.

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Yes in general. But the boosted part and hanging on with two hands has not been discussed here, though. I may have missed it and if so SIAP.

Notes
1. AR had an EOTech red dot
2. Emergency vehicles coated in hyd fluid from a round striking a hose on the crane

techno-ag said:

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Rapier108 said:

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techno-ag said:

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New info on the cop on the roof. Did not use a ladder. The roof is only one story high.

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WPXI said sources said Crooks was still on the ground when Trump began speaking.

Kinght said there was then "a radio transmission indicating that there was a suspicious individual on the rooftop, [and it] was my understanding [that] was our officers' first notification to begin moving towards that building.

"Two of the officers went to what appeared to be the lowest point from ground to roof. One of the officers actually boosted the second officer up high enough for him to grab hold of the roof. He did in fact see an individual on the roof with a weapon."

Crooks pointed his rifle at the officer, Knight said, as the officer hung on to the roof with both hands, unable to reach his radio or his own weapon.

The officer "lost his own grip and fell approximately eight feet to the ground".
Shortly after that, Crooks opened fire.

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https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/17/trump-rally-shooting-cellphone-detonator

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That's been known for a while.

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Yes in general. But the boosted part and hanging on with two hands has not been discussed here, though. I may have missed it and if so SIAP.

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It has been, but this thread is full with so much bull****, almost impossible to find it.

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Still doesn't say who owned it, just what happened when it was investigated and removed.

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They can sweep in the interior for latent prints and DNA to determine it was used by Crooks...or not. The AZ plates are puzzling, though.

Wild coincidence / foreshadowing here.

Bottom is Shane Gillis as Trump painted live during the Kill Tony show on July 8th 4 days before Trump shot.

I agree. People are just spewing stuff that isn't confirmed, because they think they read/heard it somewhere.

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Still doesn't say who owned it, just what happened when it was investigated and removed.

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They can sweep in the interior for latent prints and DNA to determine it was used by Crooks...or not. The AZ plates are puzzling, though.

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Exactly, but nothing has come out yet about that. The van looked like a piece of junk so maybe he did buy it used recently.

We have way too many people just looking for anything and everything to fit their preconceived belief that this was some massive "deep state" plot.

They find a Twitter account or guy talking into a mic on YouTube saying what they want to hear, and it becomes the absolute proof. Not that I trust the government to be honest, but I do not trust random people on social media to be any more correct than I would the FBI.

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Still doesn't say who owned it, just what happened when it was investigated and removed.

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They can sweep in the interior for latent prints and DNA to determine it was used by Crooks...or not. The AZ plates are puzzling, though.

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Exactly, but nothing has come out yet about that. The van looked like a piece of junk so maybe he did buy it used recently.

We have way too many people just looking for anything and everything to fit their preconceived belief that this was some massive "deep state" plot.

They find a Twitter account or guy talking into a mic on YouTube saying what they want to hear, and it becomes the absolute proof. Not that I trust the government to be honest, but I do not trust random people on social media to be any more correct than I would the FBI.

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The cop hanging by both hands from a boost by his fellow officer is confirmed by news sources, which is as good as we're going to get.

It's also relevant because it answers the question of why the officer did not do more, like take a shot at the suspect when he aimed the AR at the cop.

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FTAG 2000 said:

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Trump arriving at a local hospital ER.

EXCLUSIVE: An ER patient's husband captures the moment an injured Trump arrives at a Pennsylvania hospital after surviving an assassination attempt.

The people in the waiting room then prayed for the former president.

Courtesy of Rick Foerster pic.twitter.com/0A8IBFNT84

— The Epoch Times (@EpochTimes) July 17, 2024

Everyone's favorite DEI SS agent there and still showing off her stellar weapon handling skills too.

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58 second mark. Patient stands up out of wheelchair.

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Trump is basically Jesus, apparently

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Still doesn't say who owned it, just what happened when it was investigated and removed.

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They can sweep in the interior for latent prints and DNA to determine it was used by Crooks...or not. The AZ plates are puzzling, though.

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Exactly, but nothing has come out yet about that. The van looked like a piece of junk so maybe he did buy it used recently.

We have way too many people just looking for anything and everything to fit their preconceived belief that this was some massive "deep state" plot.

They find a Twitter account or guy talking into a mic on YouTube saying what they want to hear, and it becomes the absolute proof. Not that I trust the government to be honest, but I do not trust random people on social media to be any more correct than I would the FBI.

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6357981691112

That's why this news clip from the day after is very confusing….was the van outside his home, or found by the rally? Some reports say he used a Sonata to get to the rally…lots of differing reports on everything….that always leads to over speculation!! But I'm still interested in that van with the Arizona plates!!

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i would assume washing the blood off

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How many days has it been? Any dew, sunshine, or other weather events prior to the washing? How long after such an event would fingerprints and such evidence been taken?

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FTAG 2000 said:

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Trump arriving at a local hospital ER.

EXCLUSIVE: An ER patient's husband captures the moment an injured Trump arrives at a Pennsylvania hospital after surviving an assassination attempt.

The people in the waiting room then prayed for the former president.

Courtesy of Rick Foerster pic.twitter.com/0A8IBFNT84

— The Epoch Times (@EpochTimes) July 17, 2024

Everyone's favorite DEI SS agent there and still showing off her stellar weapon handling skills too.

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58 second mark. Patient stands up out of wheelchair.

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Trump is basically Jesus, apparently

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I think Trump has performed more than enough miracles now to become a Saint at least.

Just that Saturday he performed the miracle of bullet dodging and restored walking to a wheelchair bound person. Before that he slew the Hilldawg Dragon. And there are many others.

More developments reported in the DailyMail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13643655/Secret-Service-spotted-Thomas-Crooks-hunting-rangefinder-inside-Trump-rally-THREE-HOURS-shooting.html

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Secret Service spotted Thomas Crooks at Trump rally THREE HOURS before shooting
By WILLS ROBINSON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and PAUL FARRELL AND WILL POTTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 10:23 EDT, 17 July 2024 | UPDATED: 11:21 EDT, 17 July 2024

Donald Trump's would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks was at the former president's rally three hours before shooting him and sparked the suspicions of the Secret Service because he was carrying a rangefinder used by hunters to take long shots.

The 20-year-old gunman told his boss that he needed the day off from work on Saturday and gave colleagues a final chilling message: That he would be back on Sunday.

At around 3pm on Saturday, Crooks was spotted at the rally's security screening area and tried to pass through metal detectors with the rangefinder, which is used by shooters to measure distance, CNN reported.

The device, which looks like a small pair of binoculars, would not have prevented him getting into the rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, but did put him on law enforcement's radar.

The Secret Service watched him but lost track of Crooks when he left the secure area.

He is then believed to have collected the rifle he used to shoot Trump, kill a rally attendee and wound others, from his car, which also contained a bulletproof vest and two explosive devices.

Then, about 40 minutes before the shooting, Crooks was back on the Secret Service radar.

A photograph showing the sniper appearing to crawl on the ground while scouring the area was circulated to law enforcement as a suspicious sighting at 5:30pm.

Around 6:11pm, Crooks took up a position on a slanted roof and shot at Trump from a distance of around 165 yards, wounding him in the ear and killing retired fire chief Corey Comperatore.

Witnesses spotted Crooks crawling onto the roof of the American Glass Research building.

A Secret Service counter-sniper team codenamed 'Hawkeye' also spotted him looking at their position through the rangefinder.

The latest bombshell developments raised more questions about the massive security failures that led to the attempted assassination of the former president.

Law enforcement took a photo of Crooks an hour before the shooting, adding to mounting evidence that they knew of his presence well before he pulled the trigger.

Two more newly released images also show a bicycle owned by Crooks that was recovered close to the scene, and a remote detonator, which was recovered from his dead body alongside his cellphone.

It was later revealed that the detonator was connected to explosives found in his car.....

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Eargate

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— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) July 17, 2024

Rapier108 said:

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They can sweep in the interior for latent prints and DNA to determine it was used by Crooks...or not. The AZ plates are puzzling, though.

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Exactly, but nothing has come out yet about that. The van looked like a piece of junk so maybe he did buy it used recently.

We have way too many people just looking for anything and everything to fit their preconceived belief that this was some massive "deep state" plot.

They find a Twitter account or guy talking into a mic on YouTube saying what they want to hear, and it becomes the absolute proof. Not that I trust the government to be honest, but I do not trust random people on social media to be any more correct than I would the FBI.

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I just want to point out that because the shooter is dead, there is not an ongoing criminal investigation for purposes of arresting or bringing charges...unless they have developed enough evidence to suggest other persons were somehow involved. Run the plates and the VIN, conduct forensics on exterior interior and items still in the van.

One other note of interest. His home does not appear to have a garage. So i that was his van, how did he load explosives into and not be in plain view?

Thomas Matthew Crooks' parents were looking for him on Saturday in the hours leading up to the Trump rally shooting and eventually called law enforcement to indicate that he was missing and they were worried, Fox News has learned.

It's unclear what his parents told authorities, but the call happened on Saturday before Crooks later opened fire at Trump during the rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

The parents are being cooperative with authorities and the FBI is still trying to determine a motive for the attack, sources also told Fox News.

Fox News' David Spunt and Jake Gibson contributed to this report.

Shooters parents called police hours ahead of the assassination attempt looking for their son. pic.twitter.com/lTjlLGJHtn

— brit (@pashedmotatos) July 17, 2024

The main objective of the investigation is to provide cover to folks in charge and then silence/charge any leakers, imho.

They are definitely combing through his laptop, phone, interactions, etc under the auspices of an investigation, and if an angle can be found to make it sound like it was somehow the GOP's rhetorical fault or to move blame fully away from the Democrats that will be proclaimed loudly.

One thing we can all agree on, is that no handler will be identified.

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No motive and no accomplices as investigation continues

The motive behind the shooting remains largely a mystery for police.

Crooks carried no identification with him, forcing authorities to use his DNA to confirm his identity in the early hours of Sunday morning US time.

He was not under FBI surveillance before the incident.

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Eargate

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— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) July 17, 2024

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Even though I have seen this picture 100+ times now it still just hits you in the feels.

If I was on Trump's team I would plaster just the image, no words, everywhere.

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Eargate

Comcast-MSNBC, platform for haters and conspiracy nutshttps://t.co/jX6MRyx2pu

— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) July 17, 2024

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Just as asinine as the right believing all the crap being put out by random social media accounts.

People will dig their heels in on anything if it fits their preconceived beliefs.

QAnon broke the brains of so many on the right that is like dealing with flat earthers. The left has been broken since 2000.

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Eargate

Comcast-MSNBC, platform for haters and conspiracy nutshttps://t.co/jX6MRyx2pu

— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) July 17, 2024

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This stupidity is so easily debunked. First off the teleprompters are out front on the opposite sides of Trump's right ear.

Secondly they are made of tempered glass similar to that of a windshield. If they were hit they shatter into little nuggets.

Looks pretty intact to me

Well, I suppose that explains why they called police shortly after the shooting. He must have noticed that his son was missing along with his rifle.

Point is that these two groups now find themselves passing in the night.

I wonder how many people on here still just blame gross negligence?

Pretty hard to keep that line of thought given what we now know...

DannyDuberstein said:

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Wow. So much failure, but his actions seem plausible. Got there early to do his recon, initially evaluated shooting from a field because who would think a perfect rooftop perch would be available, but then likely saw that unguarded roof as an opportunity.

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Nice to see some basic critical thinking still exists in this world.

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That is awfully fast for a DNA match without he or a relative being in a law enforcement data base. Now they may have used buchol swabs from the parents and used that to make such a quick ID.

Ah, I didnt know about the first part.

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Didn't realize SS agents could be fat

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DEI includes the wide berthed.

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Well, I suppose that explains why they called police shortly after the shooting. He must have noticed that his son was missing along with his rifle.

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This brings up a few interesting points:

Why would you call the cops for a missing 20 year old? That's an adult...

Why would they notice the rifle is missing? Did they just have it laying in their closet on the floor and notice it missing?

Sure seems weird that you would not know where your son is and then immediately go "Oh, I better make sure he didn't take his rifle to go and kill someone". If the latter is the case, especially since they're known counselors or mental health professionals, that is an indication that they KNEW they're son was a potential problem. It also means they should have locked up their rifle in a safe or somewhere else with much more caution...