I think Hanlon's and Occam's razors apply to this situation.

Anti-semites and Jew haters are busy constructing entire campaigns trying to portray Thomas Mathew Crooks (what a yid name!) to being Jewish

I have reached out to the Cantor at the temple they are claiming he went to in the photos.

I don't think it is the same guy- there are not many Jews in Bethel Park, PA where Thomas Mathew Crooks was from.

SoulSlaveAG2005 said:

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I think Hanlon's and Occam's razors apply to this situation.

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Yep, dumb and lazy causes a lot of issues.

agsalaska said:

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You guys that like conspiracy theories are going to have a field day with this one but the truth is almost certainly just gross incompetence

It's just like everything else in our society. Everything is breaking down. I see it every day and I know at least some of yall do to.

We can't host a soccer game anymore without thousands of fans storming the gates.
We can't play a golf tournament anymore without protestors harassing the players
All of the border towns in the South are no goes now.
Delays and travel issues with airlines have become the norm.
Random shortages at the grocery store still happen and happen often.
We won't even acknowledge the drug issues. Everywhere. In every circle and every neighborhood.
We have not had a national election free of fraud accusations in over a decade.
Cops are grossly incompetent
Schools are failing

List is endless.

Of course the USSS is not as capable as it once was. I am not at all surprised. Not in the least. I am surprised it didn't happen sooner, to Biden or Trump.

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When you become a green beret and level 1 sniper, come back and give me your opinion….until the, I'll listen to actual professionals….

Jesse Watters told us to dig on the building. So I did.

It is owned by AGR, or American Glass Research. They specialize in the manufacturing of various glass products.

They were bought out by Indicor in March.

Indicor’s CEO is Doug Wright, whom used to work for Raytheon and… pic.twitter.com/yrkgGSR4nk

— 17AbsoluteRedux76 (@RealAbs1776) July 15, 2024

Something to think about: The building with the "convenient ladder" that was used by the perpetrator. Ownership might be the key to uncovering the plot. Could the would-be assassin have had knowledge about it beforehand, or had his gun hidden in it, or even had hidden himself inside it?

The Banned said:

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An open roof 400 feet away. The ONLY roof at that distance. It's going to take a lot of explaining to make me believe they just "ooops" this one. It's quite literally the only place that should have been considered outside of the immediate crowd.

Also, snipers said they couldn't fire until he did. If he actually turned and pointed a gun at the cop, snipers would have seen. Why would that not be enough for engagement?

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Good question. How much time between the cop incident and the shooting? And did the snipers see it? I don't think they did.

drcrinum said:

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Jesse Watters told us to dig on the building. So I did.

It is owned by AGR, or American Glass Research. They specialize in the manufacturing of various glass products.

They were bought out by Indicor in March.

Indicor’s CEO is Doug Wright, whom used to work for Raytheon and… pic.twitter.com/yrkgGSR4nk

— 17AbsoluteRedux76 (@RealAbs1776) July 15, 2024

Something to think about: The building with the "convenient ladder" that was used by the perpetrator. Ownership might be the key to uncovering the plot. Could the would-be assassin have had knowledge about it beforehand, or had his gun hidden in it, or even had hidden himself inside it?

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Ok thats fine but the first question should have been when was the Butler, PA Trump Rally scheduled and or announced?

Also negotiations for buying a biz are sometimes months prior to the March closure.

SoulSlaveAG2005 said:

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I think Hanlon's and Occam's razors apply to this situation.

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Exactly. The number of people wanting this to be a conspiracy beyond 40 years of "haven't had an incident" and we got very lazy and under funded (by intent)

The only thing someone can argue is that Trump has been vilified and the vitriol about how democracy will "come to an end" certainly hasn't lessened the crazy. If anything it has amplified the powder keg.

SoulSlaveAG2005 said:

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I think Hanlon's and Occam's razors apply to this situation.

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There's been a new razor invented for the trump Era: Anything bad that happens to a conservative is the result of DNC or deep state dirty tricks, until proven otherwise.

Assisination by ineptness. Plausible deniability built in. They know there are continuous threats (more about that word, along with existential later) given them an opportunity to execute someone in a permissive environment. They don't need to prop up a shooter, they need the overwatch to become complacent or incompetent. Even overly bureaucratic given how was responsible for what area and what resources they were given for the job.

what was crazy was the video of the Pulitzer Prize winning photographer kind of running left to right across the screen and all you see is the camera held up

I guess it's his job and career but pretty awful that the first thing you do when someone is shot is run and take pictures of it

AggieArcher17 said:

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Feel like at this point Donald needs to get a private security team of red-blooded former SEALS like Tim Kennedy for his own detail until the election sorts itself out.

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definitely should have a private team in addition to the normal USSS

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Science Denier said:

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Like everything, the CIA spies on everyone and knew this was about to happen.

• They purposefully left open the best spot for a shot.
• They purposefully didn't staff SS adequately.
• They purposefully put agents on Trump that were such bad SS agents, they ducked at the first sound of fire instead of going to protect Trump. There is a photo of this.
• They knew this was about to happen as just a little while ago, the left put a bill that would strip Trump of all SS support.

The list goes on and on and on....

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You give the CIA too much credit. You've watched/read too many spy thrillers.

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too much credit? These guys nabbed J6 protesters immediately. Knew where they were, what they were doing, etc. There are other examples where they knew exactly what is happening, and with tech today, they know what is happening.

There was way too much "incompetence" to believe otherwise.

Or, maybe I have watched too many Borne movies, as that's about the only "spy thriller" I've watched.

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There were cameras on every inch of the capital and a a lot of the J6 protestors even filmed themselves. Not sure how the situations are remotely comparable.

I think it'll become clear that in addition to a giant operational failure by the SS on site, the local cops also failed majorly on this one, from securing the building originally to not immediately radioing the threat as soon as they were told so that Trump could be pulled off stage. Small town is not going to produce the best of the best officers, and probably too comfortable and too much of a "no way that happens here" mindset.

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drcrinum said:

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Jesse Watters told us to dig on the building. So I did.

It is owned by AGR, or American Glass Research. They specialize in the manufacturing of various glass products.

They were bought out by Indicor in March.

Indicor’s CEO is Doug Wright, whom used to work for Raytheon and… pic.twitter.com/yrkgGSR4nk

— 17AbsoluteRedux76 (@RealAbs1776) July 15, 2024

Something to think about: The building with the "convenient ladder" that was used by the perpetrator. Ownership might be the key to uncovering the plot. Could the would-be assassin have had knowledge about it beforehand, or had his gun hidden in it, or even had hidden himself inside it?

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Ok thats fine but the first question should have been when was the Butler, PA Trump Rally scheduled and or announced?

Also negotiations for buying a biz are sometimes months prior to the March closure.

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OMG that's insanity trying to piece together some random local glass shop in Butler County, PA where Trump had done previous rallies

is really a front for Raytheon to assassinate the President?!?!

the sickness in America is not just on the far left, but the far right seeing a conspiracy theory in EVERYTHING

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FireAg said:

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There is way too much video of the shooter getting into position, being pointed out, etc and blatantly ignored by "authorities"…

This was a planned hit by elements of our own government…

It's quite literally the only explanation…

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So the government hired a 20 year old nobody to take out Trump? If your assertion is true, why wouldn't they hire someone they knew could hit him?

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And lots of decent local Leo's cooperated.

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AggieArcher17 said:

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Feel like at this point Donald needs to get a private security team of red-blooded former SEALS like Tim Kennedy for his own detail until the election sorts itself out.

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definitely should have a private team in addition to the normal USSS

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They would more likely end up shooting each other, sadly.

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They found a guy they could manipulate that was on a rifle team. Groomed him. Gave inside info the roof would be clear. Made sure sniper team 1 was blinded by trees.

Not that hard to believe. He hit the target and would have been fatal had he not turned head and leaned in.

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Given the number of agencies, people, and time required, I find it extremely hard to believe.

Yeah you're right on Kennedy, I just meant that type of operator. Doubt Jocko would do it but there are plenty of outspoken conservative spec op guys that have been openly supporting him that I would love to see stand behind him over what he's had.

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Premium said:

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They found a guy they could manipulate that was on a rifle team. Groomed him. Gave inside info the roof would be clear. Made sure sniper team 1 was blinded by trees.

Not that hard to believe. He hit the target and would have been fatal had he not turned head and leaned in.

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Given the number of agencies, people, and time required, I find it extremely hard to believe.

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At the moment I am not thinking conspiracy.

But it wouldn't be very many in my opinion. We know the FBI has a history of chatting people up online and it wouldn't require much if any coordination with the USSS. If you know their procedures or have specific plans for that event you don't have to have them in on it.

Hell the guy they theoretically used to get that info doesn't have to be in on it. "Hey agent X, we want to review USSS procedures to see what can be improved, get us a copy of upcoming events so we can review and us it as a template for other security work."

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An open roof 400 feet away. The ONLY roof at that distance. It's going to take a lot of explaining to make me believe they just "ooops" this one. It's quite literally the only place that should have been considered outside of the immediate crowd.

Also, snipers said they couldn't fire until he did. If he actually turned and pointed a gun at the cop, snipers would have seen. Why would that not be enough for engagement?

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That was based on some random statement by a "in the know" person that they could not fire until fired upon. No one has made any official comments regarding the ROE of when the snipers fired on the shooter.

Isn't Kennedy the guy who said adults of legal age shouldn't have semi-automatic rifles?

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Premium said:

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They found a guy they could manipulate that was on a rifle team. Groomed him. Gave inside info the roof would be clear. Made sure sniper team 1 was blinded by trees.

Not that hard to believe. He hit the target and would have been fatal had he not turned head and leaned in.

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Given the number of agencies, people, and time required, I find it extremely hard to believe.

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You're using critical thinking. Most people today just want to hear what confirmation bias of what they already believe is true, and will ignore, dismiss, or attack anyone/anything which goes against their bubble.

Look at how often the 4Chan hoax keeps being repeated with people absolutely believing it to be real.

It's no conspiracy theory or tin foil hat nonsense anyone can come up with. It was two simple things.

1. Complacency!! They gotten too relaxed too use to just going through the motions. Not really taking their jobs seriously from a security perspective

2. Unpreparedness!' Inexperienced poorly trained and poorly staffed teams to handle the highest priority tasks. That starts at the absolute top. Same can be said for our armed forces. Our elite today aren't a pimple on the asses of our elite of yesteryear plain and simple. Our formal elite are now civilian contractors and our current elite government units are the semi pro elite so to speak.

Watch Dice's video that has that new footage that came out yesterday. That ARG build had cops all around it and cop cars all around it, and this doofus managed to crawl up on the roof with a suppressed DMPS AR14 and seen by everyone except the people who were being paid to pay attention. And why in the world was no one posted up on that building?

Complacent and Unprepared PERIOD

TheVarian said:

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Isn't Kennedy the guy who said adults of legal age shouldn't have semi-automatic rifles?

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Kennedy is very anti-2nd Amendment.