The confirmed report of a kid roaming the premises with a RANGE FINDER should have triggered an immediate response. No further inquiry. Stop and frisk, find out wtf going on. No reasonable argument can be made as to why that didn't happen immediately.

Had the kid been sighted with a joint and some officer got a whiff of weed, they'd have grabbed his ass immediately.

So the fact that there were confirmed reports of this guy using a range finder out in the open at a presidential candidate rally is inexplicable.

So talking about a failure of comms or someone falling off a roof, or they didn't see a gun until the last moment. We already a mile down the road from where we should have been, and there's no denying that fact.

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6359691041112?dicbo=v2-PCtTJYN

Now we have video from one of the victims showing Crooks moving on the building just before shooting.

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passing in front of the top story windows?

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passing in front of the top story windows?

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Not sure because of the angle of the camera. Everything else indicates he accessed the roof from an A/C unit to the lower connecting hallway and to the higher roof on the parking lot side. The building behind that one is not two storied on the parking lot side.

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6359691041112?dicbo=v2-PCtTJYN

Now we have video from one of the victims showing Crooks moving on the building just before shooting.

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This is the first I've seen of him from what appears like when he first got on the roof. I'd be curious to see how much time elapsed from that point to when shots fired. Gives a more definite timeline of how long he was up there.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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BQ78 said:

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6359691041112?dicbo=v2-PCtTJYN

Now we have video from one of the victims showing Crooks moving on the building just before shooting.

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passing in front of the top story windows?

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Close. It all boils down to a MASSIVE failure by the SS. Someone should have had eyes on that rooftop. The angle in that video shows just how close the building is to Trump. The fact the SS let a deranged gunmen get on that roof and fire 8 shots is mind-blowing. The SS needs a complete reset from the top down.

It is just amazing to me that they photographed Crooks from that window at some point and then never bothered to look out of it again when the guys on the ground were searching for him. Crooks either got incredibly lucky with his timing to climb on the roof, or he was helped. Who gave permission for the spotter to leave his post and go search for Crooks?

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BQ78 said:

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6359691041112?dicbo=v2-PCtTJYN

Now we have video from one of the victims showing Crooks moving on the building just before shooting.

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This is the first I've seen of him from what appears like when he first got on the roof. I'd be curious to see how much time elapsed from that point to when shots fired. Gives a more definite timeline of how long he was up there.

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This link says the video is at 6:08 and the shots were fired at 6:11.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-from-trump-assassination-attempt-victims-pov-shows-figure-moving-roof-moments-before-gunfire

One thing I still have not heard a definite answer on is his gun. Was it stashed on the premises the day before or did he bring it with him that day? Either way, how on earth does he climb on that roof with a backpack undetected?

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How do both sniper teams fail to see him walking across the roof?

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How indeed? Even if they just glimpsed some movement but were unsure what is was, still radio down to hold Trump until the situation could be clarified. Crooks might have still shot into the crowd but to do so he would have to reveal himself over the roof ridge with the snipers actively looking for him.

Especially since all their attention was said to be at the 3 o'clock bc of the previous commotion

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StandUpforAmerica said:

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New video of the moments before the Trump assassination attempt further shows that it makes zero sense the Secret Service simply missed the shooter.

He was literally running across the roof in plain sight.
pic.twitter.com/Lx7Z2Rq7kM

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) July 31, 2024

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How do both sniper teams fail to see him walking across the roof?

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Not saying this is why, but if both teams had their eyes in their optics down range scanning the crowd, that limits their vision pretty significantly. They would have had to have been looking that direction through their scope or binocs to see him walk across there.

Just saying that it's obvious to us with the video pointed right at it, but I'd bet those in the stands directly behind Trump didn't see him walking across since they weren't looking that direction.

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passing in front of the top story windows?

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Not sure because of the angle of the camera. Everything else indicates he accessed the roof from an A/C unit to the lower connecting hallway and to the higher roof on the parking lot side. The building behind that one is not two storied on the parking lot side.

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The video that shows someone traversing the roof is zoomed in a great deal. That hurts depth of field and makes that building seem closer than it is.

That's what Fox anchor said when they aired it earlier

Just fyi

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BQ78 said:

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6359691041112?dicbo=v2-PCtTJYN

Now we have video from one of the victims showing Crooks moving on the building just before shooting.

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Close. It all boils down to a MASSIVE failure by the SS. Someone should have had eyes on that rooftop. The angle in that video shows just how close the building is to Trump. The fact the SS let a deranged gunmen get on that roof and fire 8 shots is mind-blowing. The SS needs a complete reset from the top down.

It is just amazing to me that they photographed Crooks from that window at some point and then never bothered to look out of it again when the guys on the ground were searching for him. Crooks either got incredibly lucky with his timing to climb on the roof, or he was helped. Who gave permission for the spotter to leave his post and go search for Crooks?

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Need to go back and check the timeline, but one of the police snipers photographed him from the window where they were stationed (before leaving to go look for Crooks), and then sent that apparently up their chain of comms, but not when Crooks was on the roof. He was sitting on a ledge next to the building at ground level for that over the shoulder picture, I believe it was a little after 5.

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BQ78 said:

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6359691041112?dicbo=v2-PCtTJYN

Now we have video from one of the victims showing Crooks moving on the building just before shooting.

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This is the first I've seen of him from what appears like when he first got on the roof. I'd be curious to see how much time elapsed from that point to when shots fired. Gives a more definite timeline of how long he was up there.

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This link says the video is at 6:08 and the shots were fired at 6:11.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-from-trump-assassination-attempt-victims-pov-shows-figure-moving-roof-moments-before-gunfire

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I just looked at it when watching the full speech. From the time that video first starts highlighting him on the roof, it's 2 minutes and 55 seconds. So basically 3 full minutes.

Don't some scopes record? The Hubs has a night vision scope that records.

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"Nah, let's leave him on the 'X.' The local PD will take care of it. That's their job." -or something?

Local law enforcement strikes back:

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(NewsNation) Local law enforcement in Butler, Pennsylvania, is firing back against comments made by acting Secret Service Director Ronald Rowe in a joint Senate committee regarding the attempt on former President Donald Trump's life.
Rowe criticized the local authorities for a communications breakdown between agencies protecting the former president. But Pat Young, the chief of detectives for Beaver County who was tasked with securing the area around Trump's rally, said they had no communication with the federal authorities that day.
"Somehow, that we should have had a line of sight on not only the crowd but the area to the side of the building where the shooter was eventually located is kind of ridiculous," Young told NewsNation. "The ability to redeploy to another area is also kind of this ridiculous notion that's out there that somehow our guys, despite guidance from Secret Service, could somehow relocate to a better vantage point is almost laughable in some regards."
Young insists that it was his team that spotted the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, roughly an hour before the actual shooting took place. He said they raised it up the chain of command, and said what happens beyond that is up to the Secret Service.

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This is absurd. Director Rowe abjectly apologized to Congress that this happened, but he blamed others, was in charge when resources were denied to the Trump protective detail, and likely had a role himself in making that decision. He won't say, simply stating there was a "process."

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It's an absurdity that Rowe, who played a significant role in denying resources to the Trump security team, is somehow involved in investigating the failures.

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The king has taken your complaints seriously. He has ordered an investigation. After an exhaustive investigation he has found he did nothing wrong.

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New video of the moments before the Trump assassination attempt further shows that it makes zero sense the Secret Service simply missed the shooter.

He was literally running across the roof in plain sight.
pic.twitter.com/Lx7Z2Rq7kM

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) July 31, 2024

SIAP

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How do both sniper teams fail to see him walking across the roof?

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Not saying this is why, but if both teams had their eyes in their optics down range scanning the crowd, that limits their vision pretty significantly. They would have had to have been looking that direction through their scope or binocs to see him walk across there.

Just saying that it's obvious to us with the video pointed right at it, but I'd bet those in the stands directly behind Trump didn't see him walking across since they weren't looking that direction.

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There were people on the ground around the building telling cops there was someone on the building at least 1-3 minutes before shots were fired.

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Don't some scopes record? The Hubs has a night vision scope that records.

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asked, and answered.

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Texmid said:

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BQ78 said:

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https://www.foxnews.com/video/6359691041112?dicbo=v2-PCtTJYN

Now we have video from one of the victims showing Crooks moving on the building just before shooting.

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passing in front of the top story windows?

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Close. It all boils down to a MASSIVE failure by the SS. Someone should have had eyes on that rooftop. The angle in that video shows just how close the building is to Trump. The fact the SS let a deranged gunmen get on that roof and fire 8 shots is mind-blowing. The SS needs a complete reset from the top down.

It is just amazing to me that they photographed Crooks from that window at some point and then never bothered to look out of it again when the guys on the ground were searching for him. Crooks either got incredibly lucky with his timing to climb on the roof, or he was helped. Who gave permission for the spotter to leave his post and go search for Crooks?

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Need to go back and check the timeline, but one of the police snipers photographed him from the window where they were stationed (before leaving to go look for Crooks), and then sent that apparently up their chain of comms, but not when Crooks was on the roof. He was sitting on a ledge next to the building at ground level for that over the shoulder picture, I believe it was a little after 5.

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He was walking around the building at least an hour before the shots. All on video.

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Don't some scopes record? The Hubs has a night vision scope that records.

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asked, and answered.

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You understand what my question was. If a night scope can record, why not other scopes with a blue tooth connection to another device?

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Don't some scopes record? The Hubs has a night vision scope that records.

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asked, and answered.

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They didn't even record the radio comm's that day (supposedly), so I see no reasonable expectation imagery will be admitted publicly as to being recorded.

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StandUpforAmerica said:

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New video of the moments before the Trump assassination attempt further shows that it makes zero sense the Secret Service simply missed the shooter.

He was literally running across the roof in plain sight.
pic.twitter.com/Lx7Z2Rq7kM

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) July 31, 2024

SIAP

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How do both sniper teams fail to see him walking across the roof?

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Not saying this is why, but if both teams had their eyes in their optics down range scanning the crowd, that limits their vision pretty significantly. They would have had to have been looking that direction through their scope or binocs to see him walk across there.

Just saying that it's obvious to us with the video pointed right at it, but I'd bet those in the stands directly behind Trump didn't see him walking across since they weren't looking that direction.

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There were people on the ground around the building telling cops there was someone on the building at least 1-3 minutes before shots were fired.

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Yes, but he only walked on the top of the building for 7 or 8 seconds. The question was how did both sniper teams fail to see him walk on the roof for those 7-8 seconds. I'm also assuming he's referring to both sniper teams that were behind Trump, and not the 3rd team that was in the building on the 2nd floor. I just explained how it's possible those two teams didn't see him during that short period of time.

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Don't some scopes record? The Hubs has a night vision scope that records.

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asked, and answered.

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You understand what my question was. If a night scope can record, why not other scopes with a blue tooth connection to another device?

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You know that answer too.
"it wasn't working that day" (if the subject were to even come up). best case scenario: "we'll get back to you

Humans evolved to have superior pattern recognition. Anybody in the crowd with a modicum of situational awareness sees a kid scurrying on the roofline like that and their spidey sense activates.

The county snipers were not set up in the window the USSS director said they were. They were not able to see that part of roof according to their supervisor. His interview was a fox story iirc.

If the point was for him to be seen, so much makes sense. But he was suicidal, crazy and lucky on a day when the USSS really was off their game.

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Humans evolved to have superior pattern recognition. Anybody in the crowd with a modicum of situational awareness sees a kid scurrying on the roofline like that and their spidey sense activates.

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See the direction they are running towards, narrowing down where to continue looking for him, leading him so to speak.

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That guy is an abject liar though. Yet, so is the FBI/USSS:

NEW: FBI caught lying about Trump assassin motives

After claiming Crooks espoused “anti-immigrant” rhetoric, an archive of his Gab account shows his blatantly Leftist rhetoric that was actually *pro-immigration*

He talks about how illegals should be made citizens by executive… https://t.co/Mnc52yU9gY pic.twitter.com/qrneIOCG8v

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) July 30, 2024

Why are they lying about this is my question?

🚨BREAKING: Gab founder @basedtorba just released an FBI Emergency Disclosure Request (EDR) that names Thomas Matthew Crooks's Biden-supporting social media account after FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbate falsely testified under oath to Congress.

According to his Gab account,… pic.twitter.com/Uqs7riUxLC

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) July 30, 2024

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and he was reading this from a PREPARED SCRIPT that he brought to a Q&A.

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I agree it was confusing and strange to offer that information without confirming. I only have read summaries so far since I couldn't watch, but it seemed like he was describing a different account than the gab account right? I thought the timelines were off.

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I listened to most of it and any person who has half a brain and an opinion on this event should also watch the whole thing.

No prepared notes or reports on timelines or actions of officers onsite that day after 17 days of investigation including interviewing all but low and behold a full report on the shooters political motivations or lack there of from an unverified SM site.