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Regardless, if you think this is a conspiracy, inside job, incompetence, or whatever the lady who says the roof was too steep, is responsible for the murder of the innocent fireman. How in the hell was this not prevented this should have not happened you have officers reporting suspicious activity for 2030 minutes before the shooting, and the rally is still allowed to go on not delayed just proceed like normal… You have people on the ground for over a minute screaming about a guy on a building regardless if he had a gun or not, they're pointing out something crazy is going on. How does the Secret Service guy on stage not go grab Mr. Trump and say, sir we've got a take cover for a little bit to figure this out something's going on, it's absolutely ridiculous that he was able to stay up there on stage… If there is a bomb threat at a school, you don't just continue on the day like normal until a bomb is found or until you find that it was a prank Wake up, she should be fired and people should be in jail

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Folks have said it before, but if she didn't have someone ON the damn roof, there should have been enough people to keep anyone from getting on the damn roof!

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Here's what I can't wrap my head around:

I can absolutely buy that SS let its guard down, full of Obama/Biden DEI hires that might not work that hard covering Trump.

But how is it that by all accounts kind of wimpy 20 year old kid without a lot of known history of mental illness or radicalization plan to shoot Trump all willy-nilly at a local rally near his house. Didn't have to travel, didn't have to plan, didn't leave a footprint.. just used his dad's gun, hopped on a roof, and pew pew. When there are likely hundreds of more well qualified entities that would love to disrupt America and Trump by taking credit for an assassination… we got this kid? It doesn't past the vibe check.

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BadMoonRisin said:

How does this wimpy kid, who was quiet loner (except when he apparrently talked about right leankng beliefs) and bullied as recently as high school have zero social media accounts?

I don't buy it. Apparently he had discord, but reportedly didn't use it for months and had nothing in it about anything related to Trump? Oh...and it was conveniently deleted too.

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What exactly is the explanation?

This story keeps getting more bizarre. CNN is reporting Crooks bought 50 rounds of ammo, a 12' ladder from Home Depot and walked a mile to the rally with his father's AR-15, the ammo, and the ladder in tow. Nobody noticed him or stopped him? pic.twitter.com/GsbHrJMMwl

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This just happened? He randomly did that, picked the one unguarded roof (over the local cops heads), avoided all metal detectors/perimeter security points, spent a half hour there (with a rifle and range finder), crowd yelling about him for 2 minutes, and got off 8 shots before being killed by the counter sniper team(s) who previously couldn't see him, and no aerial surveillance or interdiction efforts on stage?

Legit question. I don't know what the current theory is for the folks who think otherwise.

Now out of the blue the USSS claims they had intel two weeks ago that Iran had a plot to assassinate Trump and the director had already elevated the protection level on Trump. GMAFB

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Rapier108 said:

Or just an everyday shooting and completely unrelated to the RNC.

Dom Lucre is one of the most community noted accounts on Twitter due to the massive amount of wrong crap he posts.

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Here's what I can't wrap my head around:

I can absolutely buy that SS let its guard down, full of Obama/Biden DEI hires that might not work that hard covering Trump.

But how is it that by all accounts kind of wimpy 20 year old kid without a lot of known history of mental illness or radicalization plan to shoot Trump all willy-nilly at a local rally near his house. Didn't have to travel, didn't have to plan, didn't leave a footprint.. just used his dad's gun, hopped on a roof, and pew pew. When there are likely hundreds of more well qualified entities that would love to disrupt America and Trump by taking credit for an assassination… we got this kid? It doesn't past the vibe check.

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BadMoonRisin said:

How does this wimpy kid, who was quiet loner (except when he apparrently talked about right leankng beliefs) and bullied as recently as high school have zero social media accounts?

I don't buy it. Apparently he had discord, but reportedly didn't use it for months and had nothing in it about anything related to Trump? Oh...and it was conveniently deleted too.

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nortex97 said:

What exactly is the explanation?

This story keeps getting more bizarre. CNN is reporting Crooks bought 50 rounds of ammo, a 12' ladder from Home Depot and walked a mile to the rally with his father's AR-15, the ammo, and the ladder in tow. Nobody noticed him or stopped him? pic.twitter.com/GsbHrJMMwl

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This just happened? He randomly did that, picked the one unguarded roof (over the local cops heads), avoided all metal detectors/perimeter security points, spent a half hour there (with a rifle and range finder), crowd yelling about him for 2 minutes, and got off 8 shots before being killed by the counter sniper team(s) who previously couldn't see him, and no aerial surveillance or interdiction efforts on stage?

Legit question. I don't know what the current theory is for the folks who think otherwise.

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That's a lot of people for someone to eliminate. Too many people involved that would know too much.

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The anchor has this expert/congressman Cory Mills on, and interrupts him several times, like she knows better. Shut the **** and let him speak.

"waiiiwaiiiwaiiiii Donald Trump says that we need to --dial it back -- do not blame this on Joe Biden"

"Well, I didnt say anything about Joe Biden..."

Imagine that, a CNN anchor, who are some of the dumbest people on planet earth, trying to interrupt and correct a US Army Sniper about basic security.

The nerve of this *****.

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

He articulated exactly where I'm at. This was a course of mistakes that together allowed this to happen. The terms conspiracy is thrown around far too often and misinterpreted often. I do not believe this is mark wahlberg shooter movie with a mass conspiracy planned out. But I do believe there were both accidents and intentional oversights that led to this

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I wish he said "Look, I'm not saying this or that definitely happened. But these type of failures are covered and prepared for at the most basic level of training and should. not. happen. And as a result of these failures, the investigation has to be broadened to include the dark possibilities that nobody wants to think about."

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Now out of the blue the USSS claims they had intel two weeks ago that Iran had a plot to assassinate Trump and the director had already elevated the protection level on Trump. GMAFB

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Classic CYA.

All it says is their failures were even more egregious than previously thought.

Seems like Trump got mostly the bottom tier team of SS agents, with just a few good ones mixed in.

That is a summation of what he said, but she kept interrupting him.

Im thinking that the now-deleted Discord account holds the answer. He was likely convinced to do this, over a period of time, by people on the internet who thought were his 'friends'.

I think he was honey-potted by an alphabet agency. Like the Whitmer "kidnappers".

Nothing can be this big of a coincidence.

the most unbelievable conspiracy theory at this point appears to be that the president was being protected.

BadMoonRisin said:

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Im thinking that the now-deleted Discord account holds the answer. He was likely convinced to do this, over a period of time, by people on the internet who thought were his 'friends'.

I think he was honey-potted by an alphabet agency. Like the Whitmer "kidnappers".

Nothing can be this big of a coincidence.

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Careful, someone will come along to cut you with Occam's razor.

Have they blamed it on problems with the radios?

'We could talk to them but we couldn't talk to us'

'brought the wrong batteries'

'systems incomparable due to a pending software update.'

'Locals radios don't work with ours'

'x had the encryption code but he on vacation'

Has there been any talk of this, yet?

Many on here the last 24-36hr are all in on a mass conspiracy, patsy, real shooter in the trees to the rear etc

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the likely first impression was that it was just some spectator trying to get a better view

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

This seems incredulous.

Nobody should be on the roof.

No unknown person sighted on a roof should be given the benefit of the doubt.

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I mean, a first impression that the kid potentially could be or was a spectator might be believable if you just saw a kid standing/walking/sitting on the roof, noticeably empty handed and watching Trump speak. In other words moving in a way or being in a position which does not indicate intent to hide what they are actually doing.

However, I'm not sure any rational person would leap to the same first impression of the individual being a spectator when seeing a kid army crawling up the roof, presumably trying not to be seen and/or visibly in a shooting position aimed/positioned in the direction of a former president and current presidential candidate.

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Many on here the last 24-36hr are all in on a mass conspiracy, patsy, real shooter in the trees to the rear etc

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It's to be expected when the SS adopts its current, almost hostile posture and refuses to be transparent or even remotely competent at explaining this massive failure to the public.

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Ok...I'm confused...

All the pics show the shooter near the edge of the building facing to the right (in the pics) towards Trump.

Why does this pic have the shooter WAY over on the other side of the building? If those pics/videos are correct, wouldn't he have to be over on the far left of that building?

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I'm trying to find a better map of how the shooter would have approached that building to climb it. One post said he carried a ladder a mile, through checkpoints and metal detectors. How were those set up in relation to the shooter's entry and getting on the building?

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Many on here the last 24-36hr are all in on a mass conspiracy, patsy, real shooter in the trees to the rear etc

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The facts of this case keep getting worse and worse.

Every hour that passes we get some new unknown fact that's more even bizarre.

People trying to flesh out what the've just seen and make sense of something that defys all reason.

Namely that a kid with a rifle was able to crawl up on a roof 140 yards from Donald Trump.

BadMoonRisin said:

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Im thinking that the now-deleted Discord account holds the answer. He was likely convinced to do this, over a period of time, by people on the internet who thought were his 'friends'.

I think he was honey-potted by an alphabet agency. Like the Whitmer "kidnappers".

Nothing can be this big of a coincidence.

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Radicalized by them yes. But not this exact event on this exact day with this exact plan etc etc etc. if you recall Whitmer wasn't kidnapped. The point of the honeypot was to entrap and stop/arrest the conspirators.

Truth is Trump has had an open contract on him by Iran the day he sent Qasem Soleimani to find his 72 virgins

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Ok...I'm confused...

All the pics show the shooter near the edge of the building facing to the right (in the pics) towards Trump.

Why does this pic have the shooter WAY over on the other side of the building? If those pics/videos are correct, wouldn't he have to be over on the far left of that building?

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Monkeypoxfighter said:

I'm trying to find a better map of how the shooter would have approached that building to climb it. One post said he carried a ladder a mile, through checkpoints and metal detectors. How were those set up in relation to the shooter's entry and getting on the building?

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Read somewhere earlier that the kid bought a 5ft ladder at home depot and drove to the event in a nissan sentra.

So its safe to say it was one of those V folding ladders. that fold and collapse up to 5ft and extend to 20'.

In any event that particular type of ladder probably weighs 38-40 lbs or so and is awkward to carry for a long distance by a 120lb kid also carrying a rifle and a backpack.

I saw a few here and there, but not many. I am not one of them. If there was a pro on the water tower or further out maybe directly behind the kid, it would have been a simple shot and he would not have missed. Marskman I designated shooters are qualified out to 1000m, almost 10x the range of the fruit loop kid. And the kid could have easily pulled it off, if not for the last minute rotation of Trump's head, only because he was so close.

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Many on here the last 24-36hr are all in on a mass conspiracy, patsy, real shooter in the trees to the rear etc

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And many on here are unwilling or unable to process the reality that this was darker and more intentional than just a bunch of mistakes leading to what would have been the biggest event in American history since 9/11 if not for God's intervention.

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Ok...I'm confused...

All the pics show the shooter near the edge of the building facing to the right (in the pics) towards Trump.

Why does this pic have the shooter WAY over on the other side of the building? If those pics/videos are correct, wouldn't he have to be over on the far left of that building?

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Monkeypoxfighter said:

I'm trying to find a better map of how the shooter would have approached that building to climb it. One post said he carried a ladder a mile, through checkpoints and metal detectors. How were those set up in relation to the shooter's entry and getting on the building?

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He was on the side closest to the parking lot, you can see the blood on the roof.

Two hellfire missiles right up the "decorated" terrorist's tailpipe.

Does the PA attempt have any Iranian fingerprints on it?

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Many on here the last 24-36hr are all in on a mass conspiracy, patsy, real shooter in the trees to the rear etc

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And many on here are unwilling or unable to process the reality that this was darker and more intentional than just a bunch of mistakes leading to what would have been the biggest event in American history since 9/11 if not for God's intervention.

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How is that a reality?

BadMoonRisin said:

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Im thinking that the now-deleted Discord account holds the answer. He was likely convinced to do this, over a period of time, by people on the internet who thought were his 'friends'.

I think he was honey-potted by an alphabet agency. Like the Whitmer "kidnappers".

Nothing can be this big of a coincidence.

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Discord is the supplementary fuel to the fire. What really should be investigated are the therapists he was seeing, the cadence of his visits, the drugs prescribed and the therapists background. You'd be surprised how many therapists go missing after a shooting event.

Actually I think most on here myself included want this thread to be a collection of posts, articles, official opinions twitter accounts, videos etc not some rando on texags to provide their commentary and opinion.

Then allow each person to take in everything and see where it leads.

Everyone on here thinks this is unbelievable and unacceptable and that many things don't add up. But 12-48hr later is quite a bridge too far to say definitely that this was a Jason Bourne movie with exact statements on a patsy set up with a hired gun behind him who also missed.

I wonder where the checkpoint and metal detectors were that he had to avoid (or be ushered through, as has been suggested)?

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Too little, too late, but maybe they learned their lesson.

Not a single woman in DJT's detail tonight pic.twitter.com/xC7QRzLXVk

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And many on here are unwilling or unable to process the reality that this was darker and more intentional than just a bunch of mistakes leading to what would have been the biggest event in American history since 9/11 if not for God's intervention.

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aginlakeway said:

How is that a reality?

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Trump's A team is given the day off?
More SS assets are rerouted to Jill?
They are replaced by DHS and DEA agents?
SS is a skeleton crew working with locals and untrained federal agents?
The shooter is allowed on the roof, called out by citizens for 30 minutes, even photographed by a sniper but allowed free reign?
Two sets of snipers were stationed on top of roof behind Trump but no one on the water tower?
Again no one on the roof to begin with, that is absurd. There are plenty more. But if I wanted to create chaos and opportunity I would do all the things above and I would help set the plan that has holes in it just like above.

"Coach Elko, yall have been working real hard in camp. You and your OC and DC can have the day off for the first non big OOC game. We will let the local high school coaches handle it. By the way, do you have a bookie so I can bet on the opponent to cover the spread?"

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Im thinking that the now-deleted Discord account holds the answer. He was likely convinced to do this, over a period of time, by people on the internet who thought were his 'friends'.

I think he was honey-potted by an alphabet agency. Like the Whitmer "kidnappers".

Nothing can be this big of a coincidence.

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

Radicalized by them yes. But not this exact event on this exact day with this exact plan etc etc etc. if you recall Whitmer wasn't kidnapped. The point of the honeypot was to entrap and stop/arrest the conspirators.

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Whitmer wasn't kidnapped because they didnt want her kidnapped. Only the optics of a kidnapping plot foiled by MAGA extremists or whatever.

Do you think they wanted the optics of a foiled assassination attempt on Donald Trump, or an actual assassination of Donald Trump? The fact that they were aware of this kid for several minutes (and up to 30) and only shot back a few seconds after he took several shots, without even attempting to get Trumps attention, let alone move him out of the sights of a potential assassin, makes this pretty hard to dispute

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Two hellfire missiles right up the "decorated" terrorist's tailpipe.

Does the PA attempt have any Iranian fingerprints on it?

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Not at all but in an attempt to blow smoke up the taxpayers asses the USSS released a report today saying the had new intelligence that Iran had enhanced interest in assassinating Trump, after more and more of their colossal failures put Trump in jeopardy and got an innocent father killed

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option short side said:

Hahaha such a weird post

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Second thing I noticed when he walked in. All dudes.

Agreed
Who was treating him and
Who deleted discord?

The story i read is that discord deleted it. But feds would never pressure or influence a social media company to delete inconvenient things. Never.

oh wait.