Ben Shapiro vs. Eric Swallowswell

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CanyonAg77
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pagerman @ work said:

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he "fiercely opposed" the candidacy of Donald Trump, saying that he was "a person of poor character."
Is there anyone on the planet, up to and including Trump's mother, who would claim this isn't true?

Trump boasts and can't keep his pants zipped.

But he is not running for Pope.

We've had plenty of leaders with poor morals (FDR, JFK, etc.) and survived. We've allied with monsters (Stalin) to fight bigger monsters (Hitler) and survived.

As much as I'd like to pick a President who is a Saint in his personal life, a conservative, and an intellectual heavyweight, this is not "Make a Wish". It's a binary choice, and the choice is clear to anyone with an IQ above room temperature, and who puts Country above self-interest.
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pagerman @ work said:

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he "fiercely opposed" the candidacy of Donald Trump, saying that he was "a person of poor character."

Is there anyone on the planet, up to and including Trump's mother, who would claim this isn't true?
Only if they're a blithering idiot.

In 2024, this election, of the three known candidates (D/R/L), he has the best character. Which is a sad state of affairs in its own right. 330mm people and these 3 tards are the best we can get!?
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BigRobSA said:

pagerman @ work said:

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he "fiercely opposed" the candidacy of Donald Trump, saying that he was "a person of poor character."

Is there anyone on the planet, up to and including Trump's mother, who would claim this isn't true?
Only if they're a blithering idiot.

In 2024, this election, of the three known candidates (D/R/L), he has the best character. Which is a sad state of affairs in its own right. 330mm people and these 3 tards are the best we can get!?


I'm immediately shipping subzero gear to hell….
“ How you fellas doin? We about to have us a little screw party in this red Prius over here if you wanna join us.”
CanyonAg77
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nortex97 said:

Calling Ken Paxton; you're on deck.



(And probably the Missouri and Florida AG's).
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"We're in the midst of a trust crisis in the world of media, which is because so many in the legacy media have lied in order to preserve left-leaning narratives. To take just the most recent example, we were told by the legacy media that President Biden was just fine. For years, anyone who questioned his health and mental fitness was trafficking in cheap fakes. And then President Biden went out and engaged in a full-scale mental collapse on stage in front of hundreds of millions of people.

"So we can see why Americans, at least Americans who are not Democrats, do not trust the media. The question isn't really why the legacy media have lost Americans' trust. We know that answer. The question is why, despite that loss of trust, the legacy media continue to gain share in the advertising market. And the answer is simple. There is, in fact, an informal pressure system created by Democratic legislators, this White House, legacy media, advertisers, and pseudo-objective brand safety organizations. That system guarantees that advertising dollars flow only to left-wing media brands.

"Let me explain how this works. When a conservative competitor to the legacy media arises, members of that legacy media and their political allies rush to paint such competitors as dangerous. The commentator Kara Swisher of the New York Times, for example, told the head of YouTube that my videos at Daily Wire were a gateway drug that would lead children, including her own teenage son, to watch neo-Nazi content. Nevermind the yarmulke.

"Elected Democrats pick up that same messaging. In 2017, Senator Dianne Feinstein told lawyers at Facebook, Google, and Twitter, 'You created these platforms and now they're being misused, and you have to be the ones to do something about it, or we will.' Social media companies react to incentive structures, including threats. They have responded by adopting the standards of third-party, left-wing informational safety groups like the Global Alliance for Responsible Media, or GARM. GARM purportedly sets brand safety standards, objective standards by which advertisers and platforms can supposedly determine just what sort of content ought to be deemed safe for advertising.

"In reality, GARM acts as a cartel. Its members account for 90% of ad spending in the United States, almost a trillion dollars. In other words, if you're not getting ad dollars from GARM members, it's nearly impossible to run an ad-based business. And if you're not following their preferred political narratives, the ones that Kara Swisher and Dianne Feinstein would follow, you will not be deemed brand safe. Your business will be throttled. We at Daily Wire have experienced this firsthand. In 2017, after Senator Feinstein made her threats to bring the weight of government down on social media platforms, the Daily Wire YouTube channel saw a 1000% increase in content enforcements over a two-year period. Since 2021, after Democrat officials further turned up the heat on social media companies, my personal Facebook page has seen an over 80% drop in impressions.

"Or take Joe Rogan. When Joe said that he had taken Ivermectin after getting COVID, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki pressured Spotify to take action, stating, 'We want every platform to be doing more to call out missing disinformation while also uplifting accurate information.' Spotify complied. Spotify, of course, works with GARM.

"So what are the brand safety standards that GARM uses? The standards begin with inarguable things that we've heard from the other witnesses, like preventing the distribution of child sexual abuse material or stopping terrorism. But GARM doesn't draw the line at what is criminal, abusive, or dangerous. Their standards also include restrictions on hate speech, harassment, misinformation, or, my personal favorite, insensitive, irresponsible, and harmful treatment of debated, sensitive social issues. Those criteria are highly subjective in theory, and they are purely partisan in practice. For example, last year, Daily Wire host Matt Walsh was fully demonetized on YouTube, a GARM member. Why? For quote-unquote misgendering, which to GARM is to say that men are not women. Perfectly obvious facts now run afoul of GARM's censorship standards.

"Companies targeted by GARM, like the Daily Wire, Breitbart, Fox News, and so many others, reach hundreds of millions of people with opinions and beliefs long established as within the mainstream of American conservative thought. GARM and its members have no respect for the beliefs of those people. They would like them marginalized or squashed. It's time to stand up for the First Amendment in this Congress.

"Congress can do so in two ways. First, Congress must investigate the informal and perhaps formal arrangements between censorship cartels like GARM and executive branch agencies. The Daily Wire has already filed a federal lawsuit against the State Department for allegedly doing just this. Second, Congress can itself stop engaging in violation of free speech principles. Two weeks ago, writing a dissent in Murthy versus Missouri, Justice Alito condemned what he called sophisticated and coercive government campaigns against free speech.

"Members of this committee have engaged in precisely such campaigns. When Congressman Schiff speaks about targeting social media companies that must be, quote, 'pulled and dragged into this era of corporate responsibility because they are too tolerant of misinformation,' he knows what he is doing. He is participating in a sophisticated, coercive campaign against free speech. When Congresswoman Jayapal blames social media for placing America at the precipice of a democratic crisis and calls on them to target what they deem hate groups, she also knows what she is doing. She is participating in a sophisticated, coercive campaign against free speech. When Congressman Hank Johnson says, quote, 'We need a constitutional amendment to allow the legislature to control the so-called free speech rights of corporations,' he also knows what he is doing.

"We all know what these government actors, what some people in this room are doing. You're using the tacit threat of government action to compel private companies to throttle viewpoints you don't particularly like. The First Amendment was not designed to enable workarounds by elected officials. It was directed at Congress, at you. And you're abdicating your fundamental duty when you exert pressure on private companies to censor speech. Some in this room have been doing just that for years. We in the non-legacy media have been feeling the effects. In the name of the Constitution and the name of democracy, this should stop."


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CanyonAg77 said:

nortex97 said:

Calling Ken Paxton; you're on deck.



(And probably the Missouri and Florida AG's).
Quote:

"We're in the midst of a trust crisis in the world of media, which is because so many in the legacy media have lied in order to preserve left-leaning narratives. To take just the most recent example, we were told by the legacy media that President Biden was just fine. For years, anyone who questioned his health and mental fitness was trafficking in cheap fakes. And then President Biden went out and engaged in a full-scale mental collapse on stage in front of hundreds of millions of people.

"So we can see why Americans, at least Americans who are not Democrats, do not trust the media. The question isn't really why the legacy media have lost Americans' trust. We know that answer. The question is why, despite that loss of trust, the legacy media continue to gain share in the advertising market. And the answer is simple. There is, in fact, an informal pressure system created by Democratic legislators, this White House, legacy media, advertisers, and pseudo-objective brand safety organizations. That system guarantees that advertising dollars flow only to left-wing media brands.

"Let me explain how this works. When a conservative competitor to the legacy media arises, members of that legacy media and their political allies rush to paint such competitors as dangerous. The commentator Kara Swisher of the New York Times, for example, told the head of YouTube that my videos at Daily Wire were a gateway drug that would lead children, including her own teenage son, to watch neo-Nazi content. Nevermind the yarmulke.

"Elected Democrats pick up that same messaging. In 2017, Senator Dianne Feinstein told lawyers at Facebook, Google, and Twitter, 'You created these platforms and now they're being misused, and you have to be the ones to do something about it, or we will.' Social media companies react to incentive structures, including threats. They have responded by adopting the standards of third-party, left-wing informational safety groups like the Global Alliance for Responsible Media, or GARM. GARM purportedly sets brand safety standards, objective standards by which advertisers and platforms can supposedly determine just what sort of content ought to be deemed safe for advertising.

"In reality, GARM acts as a cartel. Its members account for 90% of ad spending in the United States, almost a trillion dollars. In other words, if you're not getting ad dollars from GARM members, it's nearly impossible to run an ad-based business. And if you're not following their preferred political narratives, the ones that Kara Swisher and Dianne Feinstein would follow, you will not be deemed brand safe. Your business will be throttled. We at Daily Wire have experienced this firsthand. In 2017, after Senator Feinstein made her threats to bring the weight of government down on social media platforms, the Daily Wire YouTube channel saw a 1000% increase in content enforcements over a two-year period. Since 2021, after Democrat officials further turned up the heat on social media companies, my personal Facebook page has seen an over 80% drop in impressions.

"Or take Joe Rogan. When Joe said that he had taken Ivermectin after getting COVID, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki pressured Spotify to take action, stating, 'We want every platform to be doing more to call out missing disinformation while also uplifting accurate information.' Spotify complied. Spotify, of course, works with GARM.

"So what are the brand safety standards that GARM uses? The standards begin with inarguable things that we've heard from the other witnesses, like preventing the distribution of child sexual abuse material or stopping terrorism. But GARM doesn't draw the line at what is criminal, abusive, or dangerous. Their standards also include restrictions on hate speech, harassment, misinformation, or, my personal favorite, insensitive, irresponsible, and harmful treatment of debated, sensitive social issues. Those criteria are highly subjective in theory, and they are purely partisan in practice. For example, last year, Daily Wire host Matt Walsh was fully demonetized on YouTube, a GARM member. Why? For quote-unquote misgendering, which to GARM is to say that men are not women. Perfectly obvious facts now run afoul of GARM's censorship standards.

"Companies targeted by GARM, like the Daily Wire, Breitbart, Fox News, and so many others, reach hundreds of millions of people with opinions and beliefs long established as within the mainstream of American conservative thought. GARM and its members have no respect for the beliefs of those people. They would like them marginalized or squashed. It's time to stand up for the First Amendment in this Congress.

"Congress can do so in two ways. First, Congress must investigate the informal and perhaps formal arrangements between censorship cartels like GARM and executive branch agencies. The Daily Wire has already filed a federal lawsuit against the State Department for allegedly doing just this. Second, Congress can itself stop engaging in violation of free speech principles. Two weeks ago, writing a dissent in Murthy versus Missouri, Justice Alito condemned what he called sophisticated and coercive government campaigns against free speech.

"Members of this committee have engaged in precisely such campaigns. When Congressman Schiff speaks about targeting social media companies that must be, quote, 'pulled and dragged into this era of corporate responsibility because they are too tolerant of misinformation,' he knows what he is doing. He is participating in a sophisticated, coercive campaign against free speech. When Congresswoman Jayapal blames social media for placing America at the precipice of a democratic crisis and calls on them to target what they deem hate groups, she also knows what she is doing. She is participating in a sophisticated, coercive campaign against free speech. When Congressman Hank Johnson says, quote, 'We need a constitutional amendment to allow the legislature to control the so-called free speech rights of corporations,' he also knows what he is doing.

"We all know what these government actors, what some people in this room are doing. You're using the tacit threat of government action to compel private companies to throttle viewpoints you don't particularly like. The First Amendment was not designed to enable workarounds by elected officials. It was directed at Congress, at you. And you're abdicating your fundamental duty when you exert pressure on private companies to censor speech. Some in this room have been doing just that for years. We in the non-legacy media have been feeling the effects. In the name of the Constitution and the name of democracy, this should stop."


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This is a great monologue from Ben. Tremendous and really illuminates how far the left has gone to squelch any semblance of conservative voices in social and mass media.

the tactics of Dems are always the same but have ramped up at a geometric rate since Trump: label everything they don't agree with as Nazi-esque, threat to democracy, etc and use their media minions, Hollywood, college professors, etc to hammer the talking points over and over again. They know there are enough LIVs to simply gulp down the propaganda and not think critically or think at all about what they are supporting.

this is why the statement "its not Trump, its you" is 100% spot on. They'd be labelling Desantis, Rubio, Cruz, Haley or any other Republican that ran with the same labels and trotting out Project 2025 as their mission no matter who was running.

Democrats have long abandoned any semblance of reasonable politics or their political record or policy. Instead they focus on division, fear, hate, identity politics to froth up their base and use their power within American institutions to further that division.
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CanyonAg77 said:

pagerman @ work said:

Quote:

he "fiercely opposed" the candidacy of Donald Trump, saying that he was "a person of poor character."
Is there anyone on the planet, up to and including Trump's mother, who would claim this isn't true?

Trump boasts and can't keep his pants zipped.

But he is not running for Pope.

We've had plenty of leaders with poor morals (FDR, JFK, etc.) and survived. We've allied with monsters (Stalin) to fight bigger monsters (Hitler) and survived.

As much as I'd like to pick a President who is a Saint in his personal life, a conservative, and an intellectual heavyweight, this is not "Make a Wish". It's a binary choice, and the choice is clear to anyone with an IQ above room temperature, and who puts Country above self-interest.


Trump boasts, cheats, lies, is undisciplined, and is a thin-skinned narcissist who values brown-nosing over competence.

But the rest of what you said is true, we're voting for him despite his poor character, not because of his character. I think people are just surprised to see anyone trying to argue that Trump doesn't have many character failings.

Singling out the Heritage Foundation guy for having to "hold his nose" to vote for Trump is kinda strange because it's something to which most people who will vote for Trump can relate.
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"I'd remind the gentlemen of the first rule of holes. When you're in one, stop digging". Brilliant.
Gig'Em and God Bless,

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fixer said:

Project 2025 is 920 pages. I think we'll know more about it in 2026.
You sold me on it. Let's pass it then figure out what's in there. Based on a few bullet points I've seen, I'm good with it.
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This is the problem with our country right now. We have a complete failure to produce quality political candidates. The really competent people have no desire to wade into the muck that comes with campaigning.

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BCG Disciple said:

fixer said:

Project 2025 is 920 pages. I think we'll know more about it in 2026.
You sold me on it. Let's pass it then figure out what's in there. Based on a few bullet points I've seen, I'm good with it.


Well done. Your sarcasm game is stronger than mine today.
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Is it just me or is this congressional hearing good for talking points and not doing anything to improve the country?
CanyonAg77
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P.U.T.U said:

Is it just me or is this congressional hearing good for talking points and not doing anything to improve the country?

This one?

More like every damn one of them
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TheWoodlandsTxAg said:



Exhibit 1A of how every conservative should answer questions by Democrats in these hearings.




Thank you for th proper spelling of swallows well
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P.U.T.U said:

Is it just me or is this congressional hearing good for talking points and not doing anything to improve the country?
These kind of hearings are good for public awareness, demolishing leftist narratives and humiliating Dems. They will be replayed on news shows over and over. Even Musk is fired up and is threatening lawsuits.
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DTP02 said:

CanyonAg77 said:

pagerman @ work said:

Quote:

he "fiercely opposed" the candidacy of Donald Trump, saying that he was "a person of poor character."
Is there anyone on the planet, up to and including Trump's mother, who would claim this isn't true?

Trump boasts and can't keep his pants zipped.

But he is not running for Pope.

We've had plenty of leaders with poor morals (FDR, JFK, etc.) and survived. We've allied with monsters (Stalin) to fight bigger monsters (Hitler) and survived.

As much as I'd like to pick a President who is a Saint in his personal life, a conservative, and an intellectual heavyweight, this is not "Make a Wish". It's a binary choice, and the choice is clear to anyone with an IQ above room temperature, and who puts Country above self-interest.


Trump boasts, cheats, lies, is undisciplined, and is a thin-skinned narcissist who values brown-nosing over competence.

But the rest of what you said is true, we're voting for him despite his poor character, not because of his character. I think people are just surprised to see anyone trying to argue that Trump doesn't have many character failings.

Singling out the Heritage Foundation guy for having to "hold his nose" to vote for Trump is kinda strange because it's something to which most people who will vote for Trump can relate.


Do you have a preferred lotion to use for all your hand wringing?
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dreyOO said:

Ha, that was a very timid series of questions. I think he was terrified of pissing off Ben.
That was my impression. He attempted to go after Shapiro but knew to be careful.

"Yes, I agree with myself." was awesome.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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Fartswell was outmatched by a fair amount
Tailgate88
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Shapiro has to have an insane IQ. No matter what anyone throws at him, he instantly responds with an eloquent, detailed response and includes his reasoning behind it. I wish I could think on my feet half as fast and well as he does.
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Schneider Electric said:

DTP02 said:

CanyonAg77 said:

pagerman @ work said:

Quote:

he "fiercely opposed" the candidacy of Donald Trump, saying that he was "a person of poor character."
Is there anyone on the planet, up to and including Trump's mother, who would claim this isn't true?

Trump boasts and can't keep his pants zipped.

But he is not running for Pope.

We've had plenty of leaders with poor morals (FDR, JFK, etc.) and survived. We've allied with monsters (Stalin) to fight bigger monsters (Hitler) and survived.

As much as I'd like to pick a President who is a Saint in his personal life, a conservative, and an intellectual heavyweight, this is not "Make a Wish". It's a binary choice, and the choice is clear to anyone with an IQ above room temperature, and who puts Country above self-interest.


Trump boasts, cheats, lies, is undisciplined, and is a thin-skinned narcissist who values brown-nosing over competence.

But the rest of what you said is true, we're voting for him despite his poor character, not because of his character. I think people are just surprised to see anyone trying to argue that Trump doesn't have many character failings.

Singling out the Heritage Foundation guy for having to "hold his nose" to vote for Trump is kinda strange because it's something to which most people who will vote for Trump can relate.


Do you have a preferred lotion to use for all your hand wringing?


"Hand wringing"? What a weird stance some of y'all take re Trump. The question was about his character. He has major character issues. He is who he is. It's okay to admit the obvious and still vote for him as the best of the two options.
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Tailgate88 said:

Shapiro has to have an insane IQ. No matter what anyone throws at him, he instantly responds with an eloquent, detailed response and includes his reasoning behind it. I wish I could think on my feet half as fast and well as he does.
He was also a lawyer for a bit so he has practice debating, plus he is pretty dang intelligent.
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Tailgate88 said:

Shapiro has to have an insane IQ. No matter what anyone throws at him, he instantly responds with an eloquent, detailed response and includes his reasoning behind it. I wish I could think on my feet half as fast and well as he does.
I wish he would talk slower. My ear is tuned for Texas drawl, not big city auctioneer.

Speaking of his IQ, from Wiki:

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Skipping two grades (third and ninth), Shapiro went from Walter Reed Middle School in The Valley to Yeshiva University High School of Los Angeles in Westside, Los Angeles, where he graduated in 2000 at age 16

He studied political science at the University of California, Los Angeles, graduating in 2004 at age 20 with a B.A. degree, summa cum laude, and membership in Phi Beta Kappa. He then attended Harvard Law School, graduating in 2007 with a J.D., cum laude

So finished law school at age 23. Swallow well went into a battle of wits unarmed
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At the end it seemed like his point was that this hearings are all theater and why are we (congress) doing this? It's a useless waste of time.
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Members of this committee have engaged in precisely such campaigns. When Congressman Schiff speaks about targeting social media companies that must be, quote, 'pulled and dragged into this era of corporate responsibility because they are too tolerant of misinformation,' he knows what he is doing. He is participating in a sophisticated, coercive campaign against free speech. When Congresswoman Jayapal blames social media for placing America at the precipice of a democratic crisis and calls on them to target what they deem hate groups, she also knows what she is doing. She is participating in a sophisticated, coercive campaign against free speech. When Congressman Hank Johnson says, quote, 'We need a constitutional amendment to allow the legislature to control the so-called free speech rights of corporations,' he also knows what he is doing.
They don't know what they are doing. They're doing what they are told.
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Eric got punked when Benji said "yes, I agree with me" and was too stupid to abandon his "gotcha" comeback about "o yeah I'm sure you were super successful", attempting to refer to the last quote on the "receipts" about Ben saying "I may desire to sleep with other women, but I do (make a choice to) not"

What an idiot.
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BadMoonRisin said:

didnt this stupid f***** sleep with fang fang, a literal ccp spy?

AgSoccer2007
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sam callahan said:

Ben was amazing, but when Swallowswell said "I'm sure it's hard resisting all the women" Ben should have said "well I admit I haven't crossed paths with any Chinese spies"
He referenced that on his show today. Said he definitely thought about it but chose to not go there in the hearing.
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