https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-21/la-me-wagmor-dog-rescue

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Ellen DeGeneres skipped on stage for her talk show that day, beaming, proclaiming: "I can't even tell you how excited I am." The comedian and her wife had adopted a puppy, a chocolate-brown poodle named Mrs. Wallis Browning.

"We got her from a wonderful rescue place," she told the audience in 2019. "It's called Wagmor."

Just that quickly, Wagmor Pets became famous.

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Then other stars started adopting their pups from Wagmor and the place raked in the bucks because it was expensive to adopt these rescues.

Then people started noticing a lot of thoroughbreds and other puppies that don't often go up for adoption. Lawsuits were filed, alleging the shelter bought desired breeds from puppy farms and other breeders to put up for adoption.

The owner says other rescue shelters are jealous of her (she gives a lot of interviews). Libs say, and the article slant is, Kali doesn't have enough regulations on animal shelters.

What do our resident pet lovers say? Rocky?

it someone has a gripe about something, it needs more regulation. more government is always the answer.


...and you wonder why socialism fails... or why commiefornia is the way that it is....

TxSquarebody said:

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Always spay or neuter your liberals.

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If there is one silver lining the whole trans thing....as long as they are over 18.

It's a small lining. They can still adopt and destroy some other person's offspring.

This site lists all the court actions against Wagmor. They mad.

https://thetruthaboutwagmorpets.com/

I don't see how this requires more regulation but it certainly sounds like fraud or false advertising.

"All" or "some"? I really don't know because the article is behind a paywall. If they have some rescues and some breeder dogs, I don't think that's fraud. If they are ALL breeder dogs and they are saying they are rescues, then that is something else.

Mixed inventory makes a lot of sense if this is the case. If they can charge a premium for the breeder dogs to offset the cost of the low value rescues, then sounds like a pretty good model. But like I said, I don't know all the facts and could change my opinion. Until then, I'll stick by my capitalism in action statement.

American Hardwood said:

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Sounds like capitalism at work. Some company found a way to get fools to pay more for their puppies than from other breeders. I don't have a problem with this assuming they are getting their inventory legitimately and the animals are well treated. I do have a problem with saying the government needs to regulate more.

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I dunno, sounds kinda dishonest, like they're lying about it. Buying pups from a breeder isn't the same thing as rescue.

MooreTrucker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Sounds like capitalism at work. Some company found a way to get fools to pay more for their puppies than from other breeders. I don't have a problem with this assuming they are getting their inventory legitimately and the animals are well treated. I do have a problem with saying the government needs to regulate more.

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I dunno, sounds kinda dishonest, like they're lying about it. Buying pups from a breeder isn't the same thing as rescue.

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It's semantics. The pup would have ended up in a shelter anyway. They rescued the pup from that potential fate, made a lot of money off Hollywood elites who get to feel good about rescuing the pup, and everyone's happy.

MooreTrucker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Sounds like capitalism at work. Some company found a way to get fools to pay more for their puppies than from other breeders. I don't have a problem with this assuming they are getting their inventory legitimately and the animals are well treated. I do have a problem with saying the government needs to regulate more.

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I dunno, sounds kinda dishonest, like they're lying about it. Buying pups from a breeder isn't the same thing as rescue.

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I'm not going through the paywall to follow it up, but thew Wagmor website looks like 100% rescues. If they are selling breeder puppies at their facilities it may be in the fine print somewhere so not really 100% deception maybe.

But given their website content, if they are selling some breeder puppies, they sure don't seem to want you to know about it very easily. I doubt it is 100% breeders, but they should be up front about it. Maybe fraud or not fraud, but it does seem a bit dishonest at the very least.

techno-ag said:

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MooreTrucker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Sounds like capitalism at work. Some company found a way to get fools to pay more for their puppies than from other breeders. I don't have a problem with this assuming they are getting their inventory legitimately and the animals are well treated. I do have a problem with saying the government needs to regulate more.

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I dunno, sounds kinda dishonest, like they're lying about it. Buying pups from a breeder isn't the same thing as rescue.

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It's semantics. The pup would have ended up in a shelter anyway. They rescued the pup from that potential fate, made a lot of money off Hollywood elites who get to feel good about rescuing the pup, and everyone's happy.

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I don't see it as semantics
The breeders, especially the puppy mill operators, are the problem. If they don't sell enough the operation ostensibly fails. But this "shelter" is instead just a shiny front door the breeders and puppy mills.

Of the were truly a shelter they'd be taking the pups for free before the breeders kill them. Oh course the breeders won't do that because they world go under. It's just another high priced pet store.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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techno-ag said:

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MooreTrucker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Sounds like capitalism at work. Some company found a way to get fools to pay more for their puppies than from other breeders. I don't have a problem with this assuming they are getting their inventory legitimately and the animals are well treated. I do have a problem with saying the government needs to regulate more.

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I dunno, sounds kinda dishonest, like they're lying about it. Buying pups from a breeder isn't the same thing as rescue.

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It's semantics. The pup would have ended up in a shelter anyway. They rescued the pup from that potential fate, made a lot of money off Hollywood elites who get to feel good about rescuing the pup, and everyone's happy.

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I don't see it as semantics
The breeders, especially the puppy mill operators, are the problem. If they don't sell enough the operation ostensibly fails. But this "shelter" is instead just a shiny front door the breeders and puppy mills.

Of the were truly a shelter they'd be taking the pups for free before the breeders kill them. Oh course the breeders won't do that because they world go under. It's just another high priced pet store.

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Yup. Bold is allegedly. Italics are what's levied in the lawsuits, I think.

If I were to bet I'd say the shelter used strawman purchasers who then surrendered the high demand pups for a finders fee. But that's just speculation.

American Hardwood said:

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"All" or "some"? I really don't know because the article is behind a paywall. If they have some rescues and some breeder dogs, I don't think that's fraud. If they are ALL breeder dogs and they are saying they are rescues, then that is something else.

Mixed inventory makes a lot of sense if this is the case. If they can charge a premium for the breeder dogs to offset the cost of the low value rescues, then sounds like a pretty good model. But like I said, I don't know all the facts and could change my opinion. Until then, I'll stick by my capitalism in action statement.

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They're adopting these dogs out, but it's not an adoption if you're buying a dog for the purpose of "adopting" it out for an "adoption fee." It's selling. To represent it is an adoption, which is what they're doing, is fraud.

And it's not "rescuing" a dog by buying it from a puppy mill either. That's just buying it and encouraging the puppy mill to keep abusing dogs with a ****ty business model.

Oh, I suspect they are frauds.

But since their customers are a bunch of frauds, it's hard to be too upset

My understanding is that California state law prevents the sale of puppies at a retail level.

Wagmor buys puppies at auction under the guise of "rescuing" the puppies.

Then Wagmor "boards" the puppies at a friend's facility. When the puppies are adopted, the adoptee is charged the full fee, akin to getting your car out of a tow lot. The friend kicks the money back to Wagmor.

On top of that Wagmor is a 501c3 and can take advantage of all the non-profit loopholes.

Seems like the easiest thing to do would be to stop adopting puppies from Wagmor. If Wagmor abuses them in the process, have her arrested and charged with animal endangerment.

So you can't sell puppies 'retail' but you can auction them?

MooreTrucker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Sounds like capitalism at work. Some company found a way to get fools to pay more for their puppies than from other breeders. I don't have a problem with this assuming they are getting their inventory legitimately and the animals are well treated. I do have a problem with saying the government needs to regulate more.

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I dunno, sounds kinda dishonest, like they're lying about it. Buying pups from a breeder isn't the same thing as rescue.

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Guess you've never seen these breeders

DallasAg 94 said:

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"I got an AKC Registered dog from the rescue. It has papers and everything."

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My last dog was rescue Great Pyrenees dogs get surrendered all the time Rescues do great work and most charge some fees to help with costs

Sounds like Wagnor was more than just offsetting costs pretty slick scam

bmks270 said:

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So you can't sell puppies 'retail' but you can auction them?

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They are industry specific auctions, not open to the public. The rescues get involved because they are "rescuing" puppies that would otherwise be auctioned to other puppy mill breeders to continue breeding. The only thing it's done is create a secondary avenue for these puppies to be sold to the public. I'm sure some rescues have better intentions then others, but it also creates a stock of puppies the rescue can use to generate money.

I quit reading as soon as the jealousy card was played. That exposed the truth.

American Hardwood said:

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Sounds like capitalism at work. Some company found a way to get fools to pay more for their puppies than from other breeders. I don't have a problem with this assuming they are getting their inventory legitimately and the animals are well treated. I do have a problem with saying the government needs to regulate more.

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If the breeders don't have a market, they will go out of business. Yes, you save one puppy, but if you have a shadow demand for breeder puppies under the guise of more shelters, you have more breeders.

It's LA. Economics does t exist there

CanyonAg77 said:

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It's LA. Economics does t exist there

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Just because you pretend a fact is not a fact, doesn't change the fact. Of course, CA loves to pretend.

CanyonAg77 said:

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It's LA. Economics does t exist there

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All they have to do is adopt out an average of two more teacup poodles per day.

American Hardwood said:

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MooreTrucker said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Sounds like capitalism at work. Some company found a way to get fools to pay more for their puppies than from other breeders. I don't have a problem with this assuming they are getting their inventory legitimately and the animals are well treated. I do have a problem with saying the government needs to regulate more.

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I dunno, sounds kinda dishonest, like they're lying about it. Buying pups from a breeder isn't the same thing as rescue.

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I'm not going through the paywall to follow it up, but thew Wagmor website looks like 100% rescues. If they are selling breeder puppies at their facilities it may be in the fine print somewhere so not really 100% deception maybe.

But given their website content, if they are selling some breeder puppies, they sure don't seem to want you to know about it very easily. I doubt it is 100% breeders, but they should be up front about it. Maybe fraud or not fraud, but it does seem a bit dishonest at the very least.

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Maybe it's like Wayfair where if you know where to look on their site you will find an outlier cabinet priced at $15k which indicates it comes with a trafficked human.