oklahoma supreme court deny reparations for tulsa race massacre

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10:10a, 6/14/24
"We . . . hold that Plaintiffs' grievances do not fall within the scope of our state's public nuisance statute," the decision reads, "and Plaintiffs' allegations do not support a claim for . . . unjust enrichment."

The court rejected the plaintiffs' argument that the "lingering consequences" of the massacre created a public nuisance: "The continuing blight alleged . . . implicates generational-societal inequities that can only be resolved by policymakersnot the courts."
https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/06/oklahoma-supreme-court-rejects-reparations-claim-for-tulsa-race-massacre/

race grifters trying to get free money from an event that occurred over a century ago

oklahoma is having none of it
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10:16a, 6/14/24
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reparations, in any context, is stupid.

If someone living did something to you while you were alive, fine. Someone in the past did something to your ancestor? Too bad.

Otherwise, all the descendants of Abel have a claim against the descendants of Cain? Dumb.
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10:17a, 6/14/24
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Right decision. That being said, what happened there was sad.
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10:21a, 6/14/24
The massacre began during Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, a white 17-year-old elevator operator in the nearby Drexel Building.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-25][25][/url] He was arrested and rumors that he was to be lynched were spread throughout the city, where a white man named Roy Belton had been lynched the previous year. Upon hearing reports that a mob of hundreds of white men had gathered around the jail where Rowland was being held, a group of 75 black men, some armed, arrived at the jail to protect Rowland. The sheriff persuaded the group to leave the jail, assuring them that he had the situation under control.

The most widely reported and corroborated inciting incident occurred as the group of black men left when an elderly white man approached O. B. Mann, a black man, and demanded that he hand over his pistol. Mann refused, and the old man attempted to disarm him. A gunshot went off, and then, according to the sheriff's reports, "all hell broke loose."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-MADIGAN-26][26][/url] The two groups shot at each other until midnight when the group of black men were greatly outnumbered and forced to retreat to Greenwood. At the end of the exchange of gunfire, 12 people were dead, 10 white and 2 black.
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In reply to Dufflepud • 10:26a, 6/14/24
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The massacre began during Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, a white 17-year-old elevator operator in the nearby Drexel Building.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-25][25][/url] He was arrested and rumors that he was to be lynched were spread throughout the city, where a white man named Roy Belton had been lynched the previous year. Upon hearing reports that a mob of hundreds of white men had gathered around the jail where Rowland was being held, a group of 75 black men, some armed, arrived at the jail to protect Rowland. The sheriff persuaded the group to leave the jail, assuring them that he had the situation under control.

The most widely reported and corroborated inciting incident occurred as the group of black men left when an elderly white man approached O. B. Mann, a black man, and demanded that he hand over his pistol. Mann refused, and the old man attempted to disarm him. A gunshot went off, and then, according to the sheriff's reports, "all hell broke loose."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-MADIGAN-26][26][/url] The two groups shot at each other until midnight when the group of black men were greatly outnumbered and forced to retreat to Greenwood. At the end of the exchange of gunfire, 12 people were dead, 10 white and 2 black.
Sounds like whitey got the short end of the stick on that one. 10 V. 2? Where are our reparations?
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10:31a, 6/14/24
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The time for lawsuits was 100 years ago.
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10:32a, 6/14/24
to expect money when u were not personally effected due to a 100 years passing after said event is typical. how about NO
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10:35a, 6/14/24
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Thanks, "Old Hans" Hansen of Copenhagen. It was your work ethic that filtered down through hundreds of years, leading me to mow lawns in 105 heat index at 12.

I want reparations.
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11:01a, 6/14/24
Always, always looking for a handout, looking to get paid something for doing nothing. I wish when someone sues for monetary damages and they lose, they should have to pay the one being sued the amount they were asking for and their attorney(s) would be barred from practicing law for five years. This nonsense would dry up fast.
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11:15a, 6/14/24
If White people are expected to pay for what happened in Tulsa in 1921, then Black people should have to pay for what happened in Los Angeles in 1992.
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12:15p, 6/14/24
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Judging by the black on white crime stats of my day, appears not much has changed from my granddaddy's day.
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In reply to WestTexasAg • 12:16p, 6/14/24
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Right decision. That being said, what happened there was sad.


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In reply to Dufflepud • 12:39p, 6/14/24
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The massacre began during Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, a white 17-year-old elevator operator in the nearby Drexel Building.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-25][25][/url] He was arrested and rumors that he was to be lynched were spread throughout the city, where a white man named Roy Belton had been lynched the previous year. Upon hearing reports that a mob of hundreds of white men had gathered around the jail where Rowland was being held, a group of 75 black men, some armed, arrived at the jail to protect Rowland. The sheriff persuaded the group to leave the jail, assuring them that he had the situation under control.

The most widely reported and corroborated inciting incident occurred as the group of black men left when an elderly white man approached O. B. Mann, a black man, and demanded that he hand over his pistol. Mann refused, and the old man attempted to disarm him. A gunshot went off, and then, according to the sheriff's reports, "all hell broke loose."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-MADIGAN-26][26][/url] The two groups shot at each other until midnight when the group of black men were greatly outnumbered and forced to retreat to Greenwood. At the end of the exchange of gunfire, 12 people were dead, 10 white and 2 black.



We call that Tuesday night in Chicago.
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In reply to BonfireNerd04 • 12:43p, 6/14/24
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If White people are expected to pay for what happened in Tulsa in 1921, then Black people should have to pay for what happened in Los Angeles in 1992.


For what happens every day due to the 6/60
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1:11p, 6/14/24
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The most widely reported and corroborated inciting incident occurred as the group of black men left when an elderly white man approached O. B. Mann, a black man, and demanded that he hand over his pistol. Mann refused, and the old man attempted to disarm him. A gunshot went off, and then, according to the sheriff's reports, "all hell broke loose."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-MADIGAN-26][26][/url] The two groups shot at each other until midnight when the group of black men were greatly outnumbered and forced to retreat to Greenwood. At the end of the exchange of gunfire, 12 people were dead, 10 white and 2 black.
Black peoples' marksmanship skills seem to have deteriorated since then.
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1:15p, 6/14/24
and the Oklahoma Supreme Court is no where near as conservative as the rest of the state.
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The massacre began during Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, a white 17-year-old elevator operator in the nearby Drexel Building.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-25][25][/url] He was arrested and rumors that he was to be lynched were spread throughout the city, where a white man named Roy Belton had been lynched the previous year. Upon hearing reports that a mob of hundreds of white men had gathered around the jail where Rowland was being held, a group of 75 black men, some armed, arrived at the jail to protect Rowland. The sheriff persuaded the group to leave the jail, assuring them that he had the situation under control.
Wow, the race hustlers never brought up this little nugget. One year prior a white man had been lynched which was part of the reason for all the bad blood.

Edit- Belton was actually lynched by a white mob, not black. Blacks were aware of this and reasoned that if a white man could be lynched, a black man certainly could, too.
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 1:24p, 6/14/24
GeorgiAg said:
reparations, in any context, is stupid.

If someone living did something to you while you were alive, fine. Someone in the past did something to your ancestor? Too bad.

Otherwise, all the descendants of Abel have a claim against the descendants of Cain? Dumb.



If only you knew how to vote in accordance w these views
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Yeah, some of what has been posted here is leaving out a significant portion of the events of 1921.

I don't believe in reparations, but I do believe we should be intellectually honest about events to the best of our ability, being humble and gracious to know that some aspects of history can remain fuzzy and potentially never be fully known.

The white mob in this instance did a lot of property damage to the Greenwood neighborhood, which at the time was one of if not the wealthiest black population in the country. You can go back and research the freed black slaves from the Indian tribes of Oklahoma to discover why Greenwood Tulsa was known as "Black Wall Street".

A huge swath of Greenwood was burned to the ground. Not by black people. By white people. Nobody disputes this.

The big dispute is in the numbers of dead. The estimated dead is wide range. The shootings that occurred are only one aspect of the number of dead. There were deaths as a result of the started fires. There were also hundreds of people seriously injured. There were thousands of people left homeless for a period of time as a result of the fires and looting that occurred. Mostly black people.

On the flip side of this story and why reparations don't make sense. Greenwood rebuilt itself from a combination of blacks and whites working together to rebuild the neighborhood, basically back to its former glory.

Why Greenwood went down hill would happen much later after it had been rebuilt and was thriving. The I-44 interstate and more specifically I-244 corridor would have the lasting negative impact on the Greenwood district. One they could not recover from. Those projects in and around Greenwood would be started during the LBJ administration and finished I believe during the Nixon administration.
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In reply to 93MarineHorn • 4:00p, 6/14/24
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The massacre began during Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, a white 17-year-old elevator operator in the nearby Drexel Building.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-25][25][/url] He was arrested and rumors that he was to be lynched were spread throughout the city, where a white man named Roy Belton had been lynched the previous year. Upon hearing reports that a mob of hundreds of white men had gathered around the jail where Rowland was being held, a group of 75 black men, some armed, arrived at the jail to protect Rowland. The sheriff persuaded the group to leave the jail, assuring them that he had the situation under control.
Wow, the race hustlers never brought up this little nugget. One year prior a white man had been lynched which was part of the reason for all the bad blood.

Edit- Belton was actually lynched by a white mob, not black. Blacks were aware of this and reasoned that if a white man could be lynched, a black man certainly could, too.
Yeah that's how it started. The razing of "Black Wall Street," as the area was known, is what the hustlers want reparations for.
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In reply to policywonk98 • 4:49p, 6/14/24
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thanks wonk. I was going to post the same. Op and the other quotes didn't cover "day 2".
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In reply to Loren Visser • 4:55p, 6/14/24
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Dufflepud said:
The massacre began during Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, a white 17-year-old elevator operator in the nearby Drexel Building.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-25][25][/url] He was arrested and rumors that he was to be lynched were spread throughout the city, where a white man named Roy Belton had been lynched the previous year. Upon hearing reports that a mob of hundreds of white men had gathered around the jail where Rowland was being held, a group of 75 black men, some armed, arrived at the jail to protect Rowland. The sheriff persuaded the group to leave the jail, assuring them that he had the situation under control.

The most widely reported and corroborated inciting incident occurred as the group of black men left when an elderly white man approached O. B. Mann, a black man, and demanded that he hand over his pistol. Mann refused, and the old man attempted to disarm him. A gunshot went off, and then, according to the sheriff's reports, "all hell broke loose."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-MADIGAN-26][26][/url] The two groups shot at each other until midnight when the group of black men were greatly outnumbered and forced to retreat to Greenwood. At the end of the exchange of gunfire, 12 people were dead, 10 white and 2 black.



We call that Tuesday night in Chicago.


Sarah recanted the accusation yet the white folks were already upset that the Greenwood area (black folks) was thriving. After buring down the town, black busines insurance claims were denied, 6 were approved, all white folks.

Its hard to undo a past after 100 years, but the black familes in Greenwood got the short end of the stick.
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In reply to damiond • 5:00p, 6/14/24
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No one alive today is responsible what happened 100 years ago, 200 years ago. We are not responsible for the actions of our ancestors. I'm sorry for this tragedy. It certainly was a horrible one, but there had been a lot of horrible tragedies in our countries history.

This constant victimization has to stop.
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In reply to BonfireNerd04 • 5:26p, 6/14/24
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BonfireNerd04 said:
If White people are expected to pay for what happened in Tulsa in 1921, then Black people should have to pay for what happened in Los Angeles in 1992.
Minneapolis in 2020
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In reply to one safe place • 6:04p, 6/14/24
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Always, always looking for a handout, looking to get paid something for doing nothing. I wish when someone sues for monetary damages and they lose, they should have to pay the one being sued the amount they were asking for and their attorney(s) would be barred from practicing law for five years. This nonsense would dry up fast.
I would vote for this.
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 6:43p, 6/14/24
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reparations, in any context, is stupid.

If someone living did something to you while you were alive, fine. Someone in the past did something to your ancestor? Too bad.

Otherwise, all the descendants of Abel have a claim against the descendants of Cain? Dumb.


Sounds like Cain folk talk.
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6:58p, 6/14/24
Happy Juneteenth
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When do we talk about reparations for all the ancestors of union soldiers? Many were killed, many more wounded and many left there homes for multiple years.

Shouldn't the descendants of the slaves that were freed compensate these families for their freedom?

When is Europe going to pay reparations to the US for WWI and WWII?

Makes as much sense as other reparations for far gone history. How far should we take this logic?
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7:15p, 6/14/24
The race riots were centered on racists citizens in Tulsa... Why should the government need to reparate anyone. If people have a beef, take it up with the decedents of the racists citizens.
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In reply to Dufflepud • 7:59p, 6/14/24
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The massacre began during Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, a white 17-year-old elevator operator in the nearby Drexel Building.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-25][25][/url] He was arrested and rumors that he was to be lynched were spread throughout the city, where a white man named Roy Belton had been lynched the previous year. Upon hearing reports that a mob of hundreds of white men had gathered around the jail where Rowland was being held, a group of 75 black men, some armed, arrived at the jail to protect Rowland. The sheriff persuaded the group to leave the jail, assuring them that he had the situation under control.

The most widely reported and corroborated inciting incident occurred as the group of black men left when an elderly white man approached O. B. Mann, a black man, and demanded that he hand over his pistol. Mann refused, and the old man attempted to disarm him. A gunshot went off, and then, according to the sheriff's reports, "all hell broke loose."[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#cite_note-MADIGAN-26][26][/url] The two groups shot at each other until midnight when the group of black men were greatly outnumbered and forced to retreat to Greenwood. At the end of the exchange of gunfire, 12 people were dead, 10 white and 2 black.
Now white men pay money to watch videos of black men banging white women.
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In reply to BonfireNerd04 • 9:45a, 6/15/24
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and Minnesota, Baltimore, St Louis, Portland, etc. where they looted, destroyed and burned during "peaceful protest Covid time"
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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Its impossible to undo a past after 100 years, but the black familes in Greenwood got the short end of the stick.
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In reply to rocky the dog • 9:56a, 6/15/24
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Pelosi is full of s*** as usual.

Death toll didn't even approach 100, much less "hundreds"
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11:15a, 6/15/24
The claim that hundreds were murdered in Tulsa is dubious at best. They've been looking for "mass graves" for years with no results. And it's only in recent years that it's been called a massacre instead of a riot. I guess that plays better.
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