This will be very interesting. They are currently in a "drive" to gain more non-union people to join. Power equals money which equals more money and power. Unions take from workers without offering anything of value.

Shocker!

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Shocker!

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I know you are being sarcastic but at this time with liberals struggling with a message, this isn't one you want right now.

nu awlins ag said:

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This will be very interesting. They are currently in a "drive" to gain more non-union people to join. Power equals money which equals more money and power. Unions take from workers without offering anything of value.

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Do you think their membership would make more money without the union?

Stems from them stripping the treasury secretary of basically all of her power before ousting her, allegedly because she refused to rubber stamp ridiculous expenses. Once they did her dirty, she started talking and apparently the UAW hasn't been cooperative in providing information to the government watchdog group assigned to investigate such matters.

Ya love to see it.

Not that I doubt union leaders are hypocritical scum...

But this thread is completely devoid of articles, facts, or discussion of the accusations.

Just platitudes.

Make no mistake, I'm not defending unions. Their time is passed and their members don't realize their just pawns. But come on

Corruption in the unions?

" The report also stated that Barofksy is investigating Fain's removal of one of the union's vice presidents from oversight of the Stellantis Department in May 2024. The vice president claimed that Fain retaliated against him for "refusing to engage in acts of financial misconduct to benefit others."

In an unrelated investigation, Barofsky received allegations that a regional director was involved in possible embezzlement.

Barofsky was appointed in 2021 to investigate the union related to a bribery and embezzlement scandal, resulting in convictions of former UAW leaders."
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/detroit/news/uaw-president-shawn-fain-under-investigation-by-federal-monitor/

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Leopard never changes its spots.

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nu awlins ag said:

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This will be very interesting. They are currently in a "drive" to gain more non-union people to join. Power equals money which equals more money and power. Unions take from workers without offering anything of value.

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Do you think their membership would make more money without the union?

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Yes. Take out the membership dues etc. You seriously think autoworkers need a union? Do you know what the average wage is or what their benefits are? This isn't 1900….

GAC06 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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This will be very interesting. They are currently in a "drive" to gain more non-union people to join. Power equals money which equals more money and power. Unions take from workers without offering anything of value.

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Do you think their membership would make more money without the union?

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100%

nu awlins ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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This will be very interesting. They are currently in a "drive" to gain more non-union people to join. Power equals money which equals more money and power. Unions take from workers without offering anything of value.

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Do you think their membership would make more money without the union?

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Yes. Take out the membership dues etc. You seriously think autoworkers need a union? Do you know what the average wage is or what their benefits are? This isn't 1900….

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What are their dues? What do you think their compensation would be without the union?

Unions have no necessity in today's world.

Old May Banker said:

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Unions have no necessity in today's world.

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Why? What has changed?

There are government agencies (too many) that insure the safety and quality of workplaces, production, the environment, etc. The free market is capable, can and should decide wages.

Do unions have a role in a free market?

GAC06 said:

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Do unions have a role in a free market?

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With the amount of federal labor laws currently in place we are NOT a free market.

Minimum wage completing against advised federal handle programs today the scales heavily against business

Should workers be allowed to unionize and use collective bargaining? Is that part of a free market?

They should find jobs with better companies….unless their skill set sucks.

Or being punished for supporting Trump
Or Luke warm support for Biden.

The left really has to become hyper motivation to be able to claim 93 bazillion votes to beat Trump and will not tolerate anything else.

Are you just going to ask questions? Are you ever going to state your stance on the issue? Are you going to continue to question every statement given by other posters in a roundabout fashion by asking a question instead of answering?

What are your thoughts on unions in present day?

Why should a worker have to pay dues in order to keep their job?

Does a union have an obligation to balance the needs of the company with the needs of the employees, or are they only designed to bleed the company of any potential profit for short term gain of the union?

Employees that wish to unionize and bargain should be allowed to.... and companies should be allowed to fire them for it.

Pay scales would find equilibrium and work themselves out without government tipping the scales and ultimately costing the end user / consumer.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Shocker!

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The real story would be "UAW chief is not under investigation" (this week).

There was a time when unions were needed but it's been at least 50 years since they've actually helped their membership.

ts5641 said:

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There was a time when unions were needed but it's been at least 50 years since they've actually helped their membership.

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Bingo.

Old May Banker said:

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Unions have no necessity in today's world.

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Unions have never had a necessity in the world.


It's a myth that the EVER had a positive role to play in society ever.

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nu awlins ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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This will be very interesting. They are currently in a "drive" to gain more non-union people to join. Power equals money which equals more money and power. Unions take from workers without offering anything of value.

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Do you think their membership would make more money without the union?

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Yes. Take out the membership dues etc. You seriously think autoworkers need a union? Do you know what the average wage is or what their benefits are? This isn't 1900….

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What are their dues? What do you think their compensation would be without the union?

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More than you think. My dad's wife worked for Ford years ago and made very good money WITHOUT joining the union. Unions are blood suckers for both the employee and employer.

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Should workers be allowed to unionize and use collective bargaining? Is that part of a free market?

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Sure.

However, there should be no laws requiring employers to recognize the unions or to deal with them at all. And employers should be free to fire union employees just like other employees.

In a free market, an employer that recognizes and works with a union will do so freely...

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Are you just going to ask questions? Are you ever going to state your stance on the issue? Are you going to continue to question every statement given by other posters in a roundabout fashion by asking a question instead of answering?

What are your thoughts on unions in present day?

Why should a worker have to pay dues in order to keep their job?

Does a union have an obligation to balance the needs of the company with the needs of the employees, or are they only designed to bleed the company of any potential profit for short term gain of the union?

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He's a pilot for a major airline. Draw your conclusion from that.

nu awlins ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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This will be very interesting. They are currently in a "drive" to gain more non-union people to join. Power equals money which equals more money and power. Unions take from workers without offering anything of value.

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Do you think their membership would make more money without the union?

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Yes. Take out the membership dues etc. You seriously think autoworkers need a union? Do you know what the average wage is or what their benefits are? This isn't 1900….

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What are their dues? What do you think their compensation would be without the union?

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More than you think. My dad's wife worked for Ford years ago and made very good money WITHOUT joining the union. Unions are blood suckers for both the employee and employer.

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I worked in a heavily unionized industry for almost 30 years. I've seen numerous strikes occur. I've also seen the union abuses first hand in many situations.

I was non-union. I am also very well paid for my work.

Funny thing was my ex-FIL was ALSO non-union but he worked out directly with the folks who were all unionized. They'd bug him about joining all the time and he always told them to go **** themselves (direct quote). He hated all the union bull*****

Unions

At my company, the union went on strike and management asked us non-union dudes to help in the factory. Productivity actually went UP. The management was able to blow off the union thugs while they went hungry and came crawling back. I heard they got a contract that was worse than the one they previously had.

Scabs are heros. If I was president, I'd make a scab holiday.

GAC06 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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This will be very interesting. They are currently in a "drive" to gain more non-union people to join. Power equals money which equals more money and power. Unions take from workers without offering anything of value.

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Do you think their membership would make more money without the union?

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A lot of that depends upon if their pensions hold up and if their job continues to exist. Certainly Biden giving $36,000,000,000.00 to the Teamsters helped the union in their gross money output to union members, but if the workers had to pay the price for pension mismanagement and bankrupting their contributing companies, then that gap would have probably made the union a net loss to the workers in the end. How many other unions won't get that bailout?

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At my company, the union went on strike and management asked us non-union dudes to help in the factory. Productivity actually went UP. ......

Scabs are heros. If I was president, I'd make a scab holiday.

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Same at the telco I worked at for 19 yrs. NE US was union, and went on strike. We sent people to cover and productivity went through the roof. We also saw, first-hand, the stupidity. When our people would notice a cable to a computer wasn't connected, we'd get yelled at to call the union IS guys (they weren't striking) to connect it.

Unions are **** .

gkaggie08 said:

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Are you just going to ask questions? Are you ever going to state your stance on the issue? Are you going to continue to question every statement given by other posters in a roundabout fashion by asking a question instead of answering?

What are your thoughts on unions in present day?

Why should a worker have to pay dues in order to keep their job?

Does a union have an obligation to balance the needs of the company with the needs of the employees, or are they only designed to bleed the company of any potential profit for short term gain of the union?

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Do you realize you just asked a bunch of questions without stating your stance?

GAC06 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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This will be very interesting. They are currently in a "drive" to gain more non-union people to join. Power equals money which equals more money and power. Unions take from workers without offering anything of value.

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Do you think their membership would make more money without the union?

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In the long run, yes. Ask Detroit.