Admiral McRaven "We Have The Opportunity To Continue To Be Viewed As Exceptional"

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deddog said:

Funky Winkerbean said:

Ed Harley said:

bobbranco said:

Ed Harley said:

AggieDub14 said:

[If you want only the opinions of military retirees of a certain rank, you need to post on a discussion board with only those types of users. Otherwise, users are allowed to give their opinions on what you've posted here. -Staff]

Hilarious how this board is moderated.

I know. Crazy how troll posts are handled.

What constitutes a "troll post?" Something you disagree with?
Flaming contents with no support attached to it. Has the poster returned to clarify or defend their position? Nope. Textbook trolling.
Poster most likely gets paid to post. The question is by who.


Whom - Tanya93

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James Forsyth said:

"respect the legal verdict"....we've seen two of the 3 safeguards of our republic ruined (the ballot box and the jury box). Only one left is the cartridge box.
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bobbranco said:

AggieDub14 said:

All 4 of your points are hyperbole. Exaggeration at best. Just plain made up group think at worst.
Not hyperbole.

All based on facts. The Democrats (leftists) are making those 4 points clearly and consistently. Leftists continue on the warpath against humanity. And you have joined them.
I was going to comment on that much earlier but chose to continue my posting rights. His reply was so staggering that I'm sure if his lords and saviors in DC said the North started the war or Japan had no choice, he'd be lining up to shout the narrative.

In fact, like many Americans in the late 30's, especially our press, I know they loved Stalin and also loved Hitler until they found the camps. I guarantee you, if the camps weren't part of WWII, we'd have TONS of benighted Democrats joyously shouting the fairness of Nazism, since no one on the Left knows what fascism really means.
Hate is how progressives sustain themselves. Without hate, introspection begins to slip into the progressive's consciousness, threatening the progressive with the truth: that their ideas and opinions are illogical, hypocritical, dangerous, and asinine.
This is backed by data.
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AggieDub14 said:

Ag in Tiger Country said:

Please heed his advice, and tell your Leftist brethren to do the same. Those of us on the right are sick of the BS; we've reached our breaking point and don't need safe spaces when challenged, so it's probably a good idea to dial back the vitriol of hurling insulting labels and insane demands that y'all insist we must follow.


The language you've used here implies there is a collective known as "the left". People are people. We don't have Borg in US politics.
More lies. The leftist hivemind is a corrupted, evil entity that has infected millions.
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Op celebrating banana republic prosecutions one day then the next saying we all just need to act like adults & get along


I'm not complaining btw... I love a good clownshow
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Logos Stick said:

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As a lawyer I can definitively say "it depends"
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On the right, respect the legal verdict, support the jurors

I think on appeal you will find that there was nothing legal about this verdict or the trial or the jurors or the judge or the suppression of witnesses. I will Never blindly support jurors. Most of them were just too stupid to Dodge jury duty. It was clear they had this verdict already decided before they went in.

I get that you hate Trump so you think this is vindication for some ****ed up vendetta against a man that's done nothing but try to help our country but it's really scary and you better. Hope that nothing like this ever happens to you because he's not kidding when he said if they can do it to him, they can do it to you.

And I'm not talking about the exact kind of case I'm talking about any case.

The left and the Democrats are systematically destroying this country, the downfall we have had over the past 3 1/2 years is so unfathomable. I can't believe it's real sometimes.

Everything is worse than it was when Trump was in office.
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No one with a working brain gives a rats ****ing ass of Trump is being called a convicted felon. We all know this was a sham trial and a bull**** situation that never would've been brought against anyone else and without such a disgusting jury would've never even gone past deliberation for a few minutes.

In fact this again is going to backfire on the left because we're proud that he's a convicted felon because he's taking one for the team.

It's amazing to me that people on the left. Keep saying that like it's some kind of badge of honor for them and we couldn't care less literally. He's going to be your 47th president so you better like it.

The left is disgustingly gushing over George Floyd, a convicted felon, people loved Martin Luther King, a convicted felon, most of our founding fathers were declared something similar to a convicted felon.

So if that's the only thing you got, that's pretty ****ing pathetic. No decent person gives a *****

Too damn funny.
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annie88 said:

No one with a [u]working brain[/u] gives a rats ****ing ass of Trump is being called a convicted felon.


This obviously eliminates any of our friends on the left
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McRaven looks like an advocate of the bigoted left. Does it get any worse than endorsing a laptop liar?

"In August 2018, McRaven expressed support for former CIA Director John O. Brennan, whose security clearance had recently been revoked by the Trump Administration. He authored an open letter to President Donald Trump in The Washington Post entitled "Revoke my security clearance, too, Mr. President", in which he affirmed his regard for Brennan, his former colleague, and offered criticism of the decisions and personal behavior of President Trump.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._McRaven#cite_note-revoke-40][40][/url] McRaven said of Brennan, "He is a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question ... except by those who don't know him."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._McRaven

"Former CIA Director John Brennan, one of 51 intelligence officials who falsely suggested Hunter Biden's laptop could be Russian disinformation, spoke to a House subcommittee Thursday as the panel investigates the origin of the "spies who lie" missive."

https://nypost.com/2023/05/11/ex-cia-director-john-brennan-testifies-before-house-weaponization-panel/
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McRaven is a sip. Typical woke flag type trying to be the Navy version of Wesley Clark from a generation ago. Good example of the kinda DEI types that need to be retired/purged next January.
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WBBQ74 said:

McRaven is a sip. Typical woke flag type trying to be the Navy version of Wesley Clark from a generation ago. Good example of the kinda DEI types that need to be retired/purged next January.


YeH, he needs to make his bed and STFU.

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McRaven back in 2020

Quote:

Truth be told, I am a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, small-government, strong-defense and a national-anthem-standing conservative. But, I also believe that black lives matter, that the Dreamers deserve a path to citizenship, that diversity and inclusion are essential to our national success, that education is the great equalizer, that climate change is real and that the First Amendment is the cornerstone of our democracy. Most important, I believe that America must lead in the world with courage, conviction and a sense of honor and humility.

He added, "I voted for Joe Biden."


Lots of other evidence of his TDS in the above link
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When high ranking military officers start telling the people of the United States how to behave…..you know you are in trouble as a country.

Especially when there is ZERO tit for tat coming from the opposition. The opposition has been targeted.


Welcome to Venezuela
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AggieDub14 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/03/america-exceptionalism-prove-william-mcraven/

"On the left, stop the gloating, the ugly memes, the public rants, the late-night roastings and the political vitriol. On the right, respect the legal verdict, support the jurors, fly your flag with honor and find a way to bridge the political divide. There are thoughtful, reasonable, genuinely good men and women on both sides. Let them speak for America."

The fringes are an embarrassment to this nation. American exceptionalism has been overshadowed by bickering, gotchas, and whataboutism.


We have the opportunity to continue being viewed as exceptional… in our cultural trajectory towards oblivion.
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AggieDub14 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/03/america-exceptionalism-prove-william-mcraven/

"On the left, stop the gloating, the ugly memes, the public rants, the late-night roastings and the political vitriol. On the right, respect the legal verdict, support the jurors, fly your flag with honor and find a way to bridge the political divide. There are thoughtful, reasonable, genuinely good men and women on both sides. Let them speak for America."

The fringes are an embarrassment to this nation. American exceptionalism has been overshadowed by bickering, gotchas, and whataboutism.
And it was conservative tolerance that has caused this by the live and let live attitude, an attitude not shared by the left.
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Logos Stick said:

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Yes, be sure and flag it. Can't have any questioning of moderation. None of it.
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AggieDub14 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/03/america-exceptionalism-prove-william-mcraven/

"On the left, stop the gloating, the ugly memes, the public rants, the late-night roastings and the political vitriol. On the right, respect the legal verdict, support the jurors, fly your flag with honor and find a way to bridge the political divide. There are thoughtful, reasonable, genuinely good men and women on both sides. Let them speak for America."

The fringes are an embarrassment to this nation. American exceptionalism has been overshadowed by bickering, gotchas, and whataboutism.


No F that guy. He's talked trash about the right and insisted the Hunter laptop was Russian misinformation.

He's a deep state asshat helping to destroy our country.
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AggieDub14 said:

American Hardwood said:

Staff edited your post, but I will respond that just because someone may be an expert on managing a fleet of warships does not mean he is also an expert on culture and politics.


Are you an expert on culture and politics?

We are at the point now where any average American understands that there is an organized well funded far left movement to destroy conservative ideology and the middle class. It's global in scale not national. That movement doesn't compromise. They take territory, retrench, and launch the next offensive. There's many examples like ""they just want to be able to marry the person they love ".

The right didn't choose this fight but when your government and its leaders call you "deplorable " and a threat to democracy for voting for the other candidate and are trying to keep any challenger off the ballot it's not the time for compromise.
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AggieDub14 said:

Ag in Tiger Country said:

Please heed his advice, and tell your Leftist brethren to do the same. Those of us on the right are sick of the BS; we've reached our breaking point and don't need safe spaces when challenged, so it's probably a good idea to dial back the vitriol of hurling insulting labels and insane demands that y'all insist we must follow.


The language you've used here implies there is a collective known as "the left". People are people. We don't have Borg in US politics.


What? We absolutely have a collective that is "the left". It's called the Democrat Party.

Are you serious?
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CanyonAg77 said:

McRaven back in 2020

Quote:

Truth be told, I am a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, small-government, strong-defense and a national-anthem-standing conservative. But, I also believe that black lives matter, that the Dreamers deserve a path to citizenship, that diversity and inclusion are essential to our national success, that education is the great equalizer, that climate change is real and that the First Amendment is the cornerstone of our democracy. Most important, I believe that America must lead in the world with courage, conviction and a sense of honor and humility.

He added, "I voted for Joe Biden."


Lots of other evidence of his TDS in the above link


Love how he categorizes his belief in the First Amendment as part of the Democrat half of his personal politics.

Yes, because it's the conservatives that are the ones pushing for all of the current 1A restrictions.

We have Democrats at the highest levels of government and media actively working to oppress free speech that is not in alignment with their party plank. Calling for reeducation camps for Republicans, advocating no air time for Republicans, removing candidates from state ballots due to politics....it goes on and on with the Democrats.

He's a liar and has no credibility.
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AggieDub14 said:

You can call it a BS conviction. But he was convicted. And is a felon. Like it or not, that's where we are right now.


I hope people like you become miserable at what politics is soon. You deserve it.
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If you have a problem with moderation, you should email Texags. I've been banned for questioning moderation in general in a post like yours.
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WBBQ74 said:

McRaven is a sip. Typical woke flag type trying to be the Navy version of Wesley Clark from a generation ago. Good example of the kinda DEI types that need to be retired/purged next January.


This is a Blue Star post and very accurate description of the leftist retired admiral!

Lex Talionis.......Ordo Seclorum
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High ranking military people are used to top down command. They tend to incorrectly think that works on the world as a whole. Especially when they are incorrectly taught throughout school and college prior about "virtues" of Keynesianism central planning. It's a wonder how any of them are able to pull their heads out of their ass on politics and economics. Thankfully, guys like George Washington and Eisenhower were taught right.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

People who believe in our founding principles are not "the fringe." People who want to follow the Constitution are not "extreme." People who want to adhere to the rule of law are not "right wing." People who believe in God, ethics, morality, and fairness are not "radicals."

Look in the mirror. You're the one who has changed.


Here you are wrong.

The Constitution and the ideal of government of, by, and for the people is the extreme radical concept.

Tyranny as the current "progressives" want with a big government squashing freedom of individuals is the histrionic norm. Progressives just want to regress the country back to a system where elites control the wealth and power as they repress anyone who might stand in their way.

Today's so called "conservatives" are the real radicals and progressives whereas those on the left are just descending back to the old days of government control of the governed.

As with all else the liberals have changed language to fit their narrative.
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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

If you have a problem with moderation, you should email Texags. I've been banned for questioning moderation in general in a post like yours.

Thanks, Tom. I have emailed them before.
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AggieDub14 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/03/america-exceptionalism-prove-william-mcraven/

"On the left, stop the gloating, the ugly memes, the public rants, the late-night roastings and the political vitriol. On the right, respect the legal verdict, support the jurors, fly your flag with honor and find a way to bridge the political divide. There are thoughtful, reasonable, genuinely good men and women on both sides. Let them speak for America."

The fringes are an embarrassment to this nation. American exceptionalism has been overshadowed by bickering, gotchas, and whataboutism.
quote from the article
  • Now, a former president has been convicted by a jury in New York, and we have a choice to make. We can show the world that we are still exceptional and continue to lead the international community with integrity and pride, or we can prolong the onslaught of crassness, vulgarity, pettiness and righteous indignation and descend into national mediocrity, where there is nothing of value worth emulating.
He completely left out all the lawfare injustices perpetrated by the Judge, AG and Prosecutors. Why?
  • The judge was not randomly chosen,
  • The DA ran on a policy of getting Trump
  • no predicate crime was stated,
  • the defense wasn't allowed to call an expert witness unless he agreed not to present his expert knowledge,
  • based on the political climate in that city a change of venue was denied
(Just a few of the injustices)

In no way should anybody not be allowed or advised to passively accept this travesty, his word salad bull**** is just that, a self righteous announcement, "Look at me and how noble I am compared to all those who denounce this admirable example of justice." To further his crap statement he brings his mother into the rant.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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American Hardwood said:

Staff edited your post, but I will respond that just because someone may be an expert on managing a fleet of warships does not mean he is also an expert on culture and politics.
Exactly. In hiring and working with veterans I have found that they are task oriented and very disciplined in their approach to achieving a goal. In the vast majority of cases they respect people and work or supervise accordingly. However, there are exceptions.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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AggieDub14 said:

Not Coach Jimbo said:

AggieDub14 said:

American Hardwood said:

Never said I was. You were the one claiming he was a superior authority just because he is an admiral in your now edited post.
And you were quick to claim the opposite and attempt to discredit him. So what gives you the authority to make those claims? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it comes off as hypocritical.
So we have to be an expert or an authority in the field in order to point out that someone isn't?

Do you have to be a rocket scientist to realize LeBron James isn't one?

What an ignorant attempt at an argument of authority
It isn't an appeal to authority. The poster attempted to discredit the former admiral on the grounds that he isn't an expert. But he expects his own opinion to be taken seriously when he himself is no expert. That's hypocritical. That isn't me saying the former admiral is correct because of his background (which would be an appeal to authority). It's simply pointing out the inconsistency in the posters reasoning.

In other words, if the former admirals opinion is unimportant because he is not an expert in politics and culture as the poster pointed out, and the poster is not an expert in culture and politics, then the posters opinion is also unimportant.
You said,"former admirals opinion is unimportant because he is not an expert in politics and culture"

No the Admirals opinion is total arrogant bull**** because he left out all the injustices perpetrated by the DA, Judge, Prosecutors.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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AggieDub14 said:

You can call it a BS conviction. But he was convicted. And is a felon. Like it or not, that's where we are right now.


Yes because courts never get it wrong. Good to know. So the anti death penalty crowd who say we have out to death innocent people are all FOS. I can just say "they were convicted shut up and accept it"
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AggieDub14 said:

You can call it a BS conviction. But he was convicted. And is a felon. Like it or not, that's where we are right now.
Yes it was a bull**** conviction just like these
Innocence By the Numbers

That's just innocent people found guilty that then executed but later found innocent.

Point being your faith in this verdict is wrong, misplaced and dangerous to our nation.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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AggieDub14 said:

OverSeas AG said:

Even worse… we have a president that has completely lost his mental faculties, well before he was put into office.

So yes, that is where we are right now. A felon IN OFFICE whose party has protected him.
Biden isn't a felon. That's entirely false. To be a felon, you have to be charged, tried, and convicted. Trump on the other hand is a felon. Because he was charged, tried and convicted on 34 counts.
You are wrong completely. President Biden is a felon, just not a convicted felon. The evidence on Hunter's laptop and the emails revealed prove him to be a felon. That's not including his quid pro quo crap in Ukraine.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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HumpitPuryear said:

AggieDub14 said:

American Hardwood said:

Staff edited your post, but I will respond that just because someone may be an expert on managing a fleet of warships does not mean he is also an expert on culture and politics.


Are you an expert on culture and politics?

We are at the point now where any average American understands that there is an organized well funded far left movement to destroy conservative ideology and the middle class. It's global in scale not national. That movement doesn't compromise. They take territory, retrench, and launch the next offensive. There's many examples like ""they just want to be able to marry the person they love ".

The right didn't choose this fight but when your government and its leaders call you "deplorable " and a threat to democracy for voting for the other candidate and are trying to keep any challenger off the ballot it's not the time for compromise.
Regarding your reference to "deplorables" which Hillary called people.
Hillary Clinton Suggests 'Formal Deprogramming' For 'MAGA Extremists' Who Still Support Trump

And others in the Democratic Party leadership has openly suggested re-education camps.

Anyone who is considering voting for any Democratic candidate should immediately reconsider their voting preferences.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
 
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