***European Politics Thread***

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Macronism seems like a lesson in when you try to appease everyone then you appease no one.
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Interesting stuff and agree with everything I read in that transcript. Can't agree more with this statement. This used to be something valued by liberals so that we wouldn't all become so intermingled that individual cultures were lost. But now it has turned into this idea of mass importation of inferior, third world cultures to usurp the superior, local culture.

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I am very much in favor of a multicultural world and monocultural nation-states. The difference is fundamental. It's multiculturalism. It's just the other way around. They want to introduce multiculturalism to individual countries.


When I visit a country, I want to experience the local culture - I don't want to see the US copied and pasted everywhere else and I don't want to go somewhere and have to worry about ME and Africans trying to rob or kill me.
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What we're seeing is an electoral backlash by voters in several countries who finally realized that they and their countries had surrendered a substantial amount of their national sovereignty to a despotic confederal government. During my many travels to Europe in past several years, the people in those countries despise the EU because they have most often been the victims (not the beneficiaries) of EU policies, rules, and regulations.
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The "refugee" crises are driving political shifts in the US and Europe a like. Root cause analysis:

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FJB24 said:

The "refugee" crises are driving political shifts in the US and Europe a like. Root cause analysis:


so its Europe's and USA fault that these peoples home countries are ****holes?? trump was right
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I came here to check if you all were discussing this, especially after The Athletic (now part of the New York Times) was cluttering my sports news with political content.

I just saw two articles in my feed: one about Mbappe and the French team encouraging people to vote, and another that seemed like a Hungary Euros-related article but was actually a hit piece on Orban. It appears we're witnessing a historically significant moment.
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PARIS -- Two adolescent boys in a Paris suburb have been given preliminary charges of raping a 12-year-old girl and religion-motivated violence, French authorities said Wednesday. A Jewish leader said the girl is Jewish.



Later, lawyer and Jewish leader Elie Korchia said in an interview with French broadcaster BFM that the girl is Jewish and that Palestine was mentioned during the attack. French Prime Minister Gabriel Attal wrote on X, formerly Twitter, that the girl was "raped because she's Jewish", identifying it as an antisemitic attack.



Political leaders across the spectrum denounced the attack. France is in the midst of a blitz campaign for snap parliamentary elections on June 30 and July 7, and the frontrunner far-right National Rally party has sought to make security and immigration key campaign issues.

Two French adolescents are accused of raping a 12-year-old girl, motivated by antisemitism

I hope every French Patriot carries this story with them in their hearts and minds come Election Day.
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Not a lot of updates on this thread, but Euro fallout from the votes is still happening;



TLDR: Meloni shoulda snubbed the EU swamp and embraced LePen and/or Orban's parties.

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25 years ago I travelled across Europe with a buddy and it was amazing. Definitely a little sketchy back then as we were held up a knife point in Amsterdam and got in a fight with a group of homeless men in Paris. I can't imagine what the mess is like now with all the migrants.
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come on LePen!

need the National Front to get an outright majority in the Parliament and form a coalition with renegades from Macrons party. need to push back against the insanity.
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Grapes said:

25 years ago I travelled across Europe with a buddy and it was amazing. Definitely a little sketchy back then as we were held up a knife point in Amsterdam and got in a fight with a group of homeless men in Paris. I can't imagine what the mess is like now with all the migrants.
LOL I was accosted by Gypsies in Madrid back in 2002 and they nearly stole my passport out of my bag.

I have been back to different parts of Europe, but the last 3 years have radically changed the continent. imagine living in New York City right now, and that is most of Europe west of Prague.
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Yep, mind you I was in Portugal for 9 days in March and it was lovely. There didn't seem to be a migrant issue there. Certainly the traditional graffitied Euro city but they were like that 25years ago too.
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My only caution sign on this, is that we've seen this before and it didn't lead to anything. There was a similar populist surge around the time Trump was elected, and it petered out quickly as the parties stabbed their people in the back. Remember, these wins are for the EU reps, when they start talking holds of seats in their actual countries governance, then I would start getting excited.

That being said, AFD's wins in Germany so far are very encouraging, as they appear to be the one party of the lot that is actually committed to opposing mass immigration and cultural leftism, as compared to Le Pen having to temper down her rhetoric since her previous runs.

All things being said, Europe has a brighter outlook than it did a year ago.
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It may be brighter but tribulations are ahead, imho.





Non-WEF/communist speech is under real attack. The left will not go 'quietly into the night.'



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I'd say this is surprising, but with Labour I guess not.

I also hadn't realized our House Reps tried to sanction the International Criminal Court officials involved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/25/world/europe/uk-israel-gaza-war-policy.html

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U.K.'s Policy on Israel, Long Aligned With America's, Veers Away
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By the end of this week, Prime Minister Keir Starmer is expected to drop the previous government's objections to the International Criminal Court prosecutor's pursuit of an arrest warrant for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, two people briefed on the government's deliberations said.
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Last week, Britain said it would restart funding for the main United Nations' agency that aids Palestinians, UNRWA, having concluded that the agency had taken steps to ensure that it meets "the highest standards of neutrality." The Israeli government had accused a dozen of the agency's employees of playing a role in the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks on Israel or their aftermath.

Taken together, these steps show a government that is willing to pile more pressure on Mr. Netanyahu for Israel's harsh military response in Gaza. It also shows that Mr. Starmer, a former human rights lawyer, is paying more heed to international legal institutions than the United States.

In May, President Biden condemned as "outrageous" the International Criminal Court prosecutor's effort to obtain arrest warrants for Mr. Netanyahu and the Israeli defense minister, Yoav Gallant. Although the warrants would be largely symbolic measures, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted to pass legislation imposing sanctions on court officials.

Analysts noted that Britain's new government had not imposed concrete measures like halting weapons shipments to Israel.
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Labour's careful balancing act did not spare the party a backlash at the polls, even in an election in which it won a landslide victory. Jonathan Ashworth, a Labour figure who would probably have been named to a cabinet post, unexpectedly lost his seat to a pro-Palestinian activist.

Mr. Starmer himself won a reduced share of the vote in his North London seat compared with the 2019 election, in part because of a challenge by an independent who voiced anger with Labour's stance on Israel.
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Britain's shift comes as the United States itself enters a period of heightened political uncertainty on Israel. The withdrawal of Mr. Biden from the 2024 campaign and the emergence of Vice President Kamala Harris as the presumptive Democratic nominee have raised questions about whether the United States will change its calculus on Israel and the war in Gaza.

"She's far more frustrated and angrier with Netanyahu than Biden is," said Aaron David Miller, a former Middle East peace negotiator who is now a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
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Europolitics is indeed fascinating.

I enjoy following it much more than our politics. Its much more layered and complex instead of simply team red and team blue.
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Yeah shout out to Legal Custodian for creating a catchall thread for this sort of thing.
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Checking in on European "democracy" after our voters were allowed to express themselves this month. Not good, Jim. Banning AfD before snap elections, kicking in retirees doors for retweets about a commie 'green' official being an idiot.

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German authorities had police beat on an old man's door at dawn for calling an elected government official a dummy.
In a Xtweet.
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A man in Bavaria had his house raided by police after retweeting a meme mocking German Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck of the Greens party.
On November 12, at 6 am, the 64-year-old poster was woken by two police officers with the Schweinfurt force in Bavaria after the local court in Bamberg had ordered his home and car be searched for mobile phones and other digital devices.
Police confiscated the man's tablet. His daughter, who reportedly has Down's syndrome, was there at the time.
The court had decided that the man had published an image on X in June 2024 that showed an image of Habeck above a slogan reading: "Professional moron".
...According to the court document, the public prosecutor stated "public interest" in pressing criminal charges as the retweet was "punishable as an insult against people of political life". It potentially constituted "incitement of the people".
Publicly insulting a politician has been a criminal offence in Germany since 2021 when a set of laws "against hate and hate speech" were passed under then-chancellor Angela Merkel.

How about the French? Working to ban LePen from politics for 5 years:
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'Was' being the operative word if French prosecutors have their way. Mind you - this trial is still ongoing, but the authorities have made it clear they want Le Pen sidelined.

They've asked for some severe penalties even before there's a verdict, essentially assuring Le Pen is personally banned as a political force for the next elections.
I feel like we've seen this movie before.
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The Paris prosecutor on Wednesday requested a five-year prison sentence and a five-year ban from public office against far-right leader Marine Le Pen, at a trial where she and 24 others are accused of embezzling European Union funds.

The trial, which comes almost a decade after initial investigations started, threatens to undermine her party's efforts to polish its image ahead of a 2027 presidential vote many believe she can win.

On Wednesday, the Paris prosecutor requested a 300,000-euro ($316,860) fine, five years in prison and an ineligibility sentence against Marine Le Pen, with provisional execution. If the court finds her guilty of the charges with this provisional execution, Le Pen will not be able to run in elections even if she appeals the judgment.

McGrath in charge of 'imposing' EU laws on member states, digital fairness act, etc. sounds just lovely.


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nortex97
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The pendulum of Euro politics is certainly swinging toward the right.





Merkel memoir (inadvertently) explains rise of AfD:
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Are you still looking for Christmas presents? I have a fashionable doorstopper to recommend to you, courtesy of the former German chancellor Angela Merkel. Sure, technically it is not a doorstopper but a "Memoir." In this memoirshe accuses the German people of not being curious enough about foreign cultures, and laments that Germany is not "that great" for migrants anyway. So what would be more fitting than using the book written by the person who kept Germany's borders open also to keep your doors open? Angela Merkel has now become the Eastern German version of Barack Obama: Both politicians never viewed themselves as serving their people, but as benevolent patriarchs (or matriarchs) lording over undeserving subjects.

You might think I am exaggerating, but I really am not. In a 2017 piece, Politico writes about the journey of the childless Ms. Merkel from Mdchen (girl) to Mutti (Mom). In 2021, a columnist of the left-leaning German weekly Der Spiegel wrote an entire book titled Mutti wars nicht ("It was not Mom's fault"), trying to exonerate her for the disastrous migration policies that began in 2015. Reading through her memoirs makes one realise that we got her all wrong. You see, it is not her who has disappointed us, but we are the disappointment to her. The title of her book is one word: Freedom which is ironic, given that since her tenure, the German's are less free than ever. Women are no longer free to walk in the streets, Jews and gays are no longer free to move around in certain parts of the city, Germany energy companies are no longer free to use nuclear power, and German companies are no longer free to do business. Maybe Ms. Merkel means "Freedom" in the same sense that the German Democratic Republic the former East Germany in which she grew up was "democratic."

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The rise of the Alternative for Germany (AfD) becomes less surprising in light of this interview, which criticises average Germans who wish to preserve their traditional way of life. Merkel appears to favour future coalition partnerships with the Greens, chastising her CDU/CSU successors for their harsh stance against them. She also expressed disappointment over Kamala Harris not winning the U.S. presidency, echoing her previous hopes for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Predicting the future is challenging, but if the CDU/CSU adheres to Merkel's policies, the AfD could emerge as Germany's new conservative force, potentially leading to the decline of her own party. After all, Germany already has a Green party, rendering a second one unnecessary.
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I didn't realize until recently Angela Merkle was East German. Explains a lot.,
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Her background is interesting. I think childless leaders are a problem, as they don't really have a vested long term interest in the success of their people. She's a horrible person overall, without doubt. That article is excellent but just focuses on her present attitude (total lack of regret, fwiw). Her actions wound up creating AfD as a real political power there, and she doesn't get that, any more than Obama gets how he created Trump's presidency.
 
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