wtmartinaggie said:
you said ivf was payment for services vs. church donations being discretionary.
i said that seems irrelevant.
you said no.
i said okay let's compare 'pay for something in return' payments ivf vs. catholics and suggest you bring your checkbook.
you say, i dont understand.
i say, open a history book
wtmartinaggie said:
I'm saying that IVF is always a service. Catholicism isn't always a charity.
Aggrad08 said:
It's natural for you to associate teachings of your faith with objective morality. But they are not (at least necessarily you can go to the other board to play that out) the same.
Aggrad08 said:
Or you know, the majority of people who've ever lived who aren't members of your church.
Not to mention the overwhelming majority of your own members who don't agree with your church on contraception.
Aggrad08 said:
Yea its still your opinion. And its still embarrassing to call it "bold" to disagree.
Aggrad08 said:
It's really not bold. Do you actually believe that every non catholic fully believes the moral teachings of the church?
Do you think people, or do you yourself believe it's moral to place prohibition on things that aren't immoral. Or to require things which are not required. Or to fail to require things other believe required?
What a weird position to take.
Bob Lee said:Aggrad08 said:
It's really not bold. Do you actually believe that every non catholic fully believes the moral teachings of the church?
Do you think people, or do you yourself believe it's moral to place prohibition on things that aren't immoral. Or to require things which are not required. Or to fail to require things other believe required?
What a weird position to take.
I think the issue is you're conflating homogeneity with objectivity?
Aggrad08 said:
Im not I'm very familiar with the topic and the arguments.
Aggrad08 said:
I made that comment in response to the laughable notion that it was "bold" to think the church taught anything immoral. Not to anything you said.
Bob Lee said:Aggrad08 said:
I made that comment in response to the laughable notion that it was "bold" to think the church taught anything immoral. Not to anything you said.
He said it's bold to make a positive claim that Church teaching is immoral. But more than that it doesn't make sense from a moral relativist. It's incoherent.
Aggrad08 said:
This has grown reasonably off topic.
I think we can wrap this up as sufficiently stated as nothing more than religious views being enforced.
If you actually want to discuss morality there is a different board for that. But please do read at least one old thread before starting a new one. It's been done before and the questions and arguments can be seen.
Old Army Ghost said:
not murdering is only a religious belief?
you have no moral standing for anything if you cant even say that murder is bad
Aggrad08 said:
That's not what I wrote. I was pretty explicit so read again
Aggrad08 said:
Your repeated inability to offer substance isn't me not reading the thread.
shack009 said:Aggrad08 said:
Your repeated inability to offer substance isn't me not reading the thread.
I have nothing of substance to give you because you don't believe in objective substance. You want to see my thoughts, how about you read the thread for the first time…
Aggrad08 said:
Your reading comprehension remains poor. He claims I said not murdering was only a religious belief. I neither said nor implied that. I was quite explicit with what I wrote and it's not particularly confusing so go re read if you need to.
Fitch said:
My nephew was born of IVF. The idgits who find malcontent and prejudice because it conflicts with their absolutism don't register on my radar. F 'em, and God help them find absolution and understanding.
Fitch said:
My nephew was born of IVF. The idgits who find malcontent and prejudice because it conflicts with their absolutism don't register on my radar. F 'em, and God help them find absolution and understanding.
Fitch said:
My nephew was born of IVF. The idgits who find malcontent and prejudice because it conflicts with their absolutism don't register on my radar. F 'em, and God help them find absolution and understanding.
