You know the answer to that, Teslag.Teslag said:
Why do you never ask why people can't do a little rudimentary research on this issue before weighing in?
geoag58 said:Teslag said:
I get that, and might even agree. So answer the question. Should the government honor the commitment it made to borrowers under the law?
If it is a law that terminates the loans for the boondoggle you referenced No!
How much and who pays you to post. If you are a patriot you will answer this truthfully.
nortex97 said:
We are adding a trillion dollars in debt every 100 days.
The Biden regime has zero respect for the courts, and too many in the GOP are feckless about their oaths. There's no excusing/hand-waiving any of this as 'well that's fine.'
Teslag said:geoag58 said:Teslag said:
I get that, and might even agree. So answer the question. Should the government honor the commitment it made to borrowers under the law?
If it is a law that terminates the loans for the boondoggle you referenced No!
How much and who pays you to post. If you are a patriot you will answer this truthfully.
So you believe a lender should just change the terms of a loan program because they no longer like them at maturity?
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The government changed the conditions once they can change them again.
Teslag said:Quote:
The government changed the conditions once they can change them again.
What conditions did the government change?
Teslag said:
But it wasn't "later". This law has been around for 20 years and the borrowers took the loans out under the program as it existed. Nothing "changed". The terms of public service existed when they took out the loan.
You're the one that wants the terms changed, not the borrower.
Teslag said:
Many of the people whining and crying were not employed in pubic service, or at all. Which is why Biden tried broad based loan forgiveness under the Heroes Act which the court did and should have struck down.
PSLF is directed to people who work, have jobs, and make payments. The government made a deal with them and it's being honored. As it should. Biden is just trying to take credit for a program a Republican president signed in to law.
It is theft. They make more money, have better job security, better benefits, and better retirements than the people who are paying them.geoag58 said:Teslag said:
Many of the people whining and crying were not employed in pubic service, or at all. Which is why Biden tried broad based loan forgiveness under the Heroes Act which the court did and should have struck down.
PSLF is directed to people who work, have jobs, and make payments. The government made a deal with them and it's being honored. As it should. Biden is just trying to take credit for a program a Republican president signed in to law.
When you say public service you mean government sector jobs?
If that is true then you are saying government gave government employees a sweetheart deal that the private sector is excluded from. Sounds like a typical governmenrmt boondoggle with a large portion of conflict of interest thrown in where the taxpayer got screwed again.
Teslag said:
You do realize these are available to all public service jobs right? Even school teachers and the janitor that cleans their classroom.
Teslag said:
But it wasn't "later". This law has been around for 20 years and the borrowers took the loans out under the program as it existed. Nothing "changed". The terms of public service existed when they took out the loan.
You're the one that wants the terms changed, not the borrower.
That's from the article. What are all of these "fixes" if not a change to the terms of the deal? The government changes the terms of the deal all the time. How about this one for example:Quote:
The Biden administration has taken several actions to clear student debt, including securing a $900 increase to the maximum Pell Grant and finalizing new rules to protect borrowers from "career programs that leave graduates with unaffordable debts or insufficient earnings."
"Today's announcement comes on top of the significant progress we've made for students and borrowers over the past three years," Biden said in a statement. "That includes providing the largest increases to the maximum Pell Grant in over a decade; fixing Public Service Loan Forgiveness so teachers, nurses, police officers, and other public service workers get the relief they are entitled to under the law; and holding colleges accountable for taking advantage of students and families. And last month, I laid out my Administration's new plans that would cancel student debt for more than 30 million Americans when combined with everything we've done so far."
Teachers and soldiers say hi.Quote:
When you say public service you mean government sector jobs?
I have, almost every time one of these gets posted.Teslag said:
Why do you never ask why people can't do a little rudimentary research on this issue before weighing in?
I don't know, I didn't write the article, nor the OP.Four Seasons Landscaping said:
Speaking of leaving information out, why do you tink the PSLF is lumped in with SAVE in the original article and thread title?
American Hardwood said:
So these students entered into a broken bad deal and now expect the government to change the deal to "fix". Your argument that this was done twenty years ago and the government can't change the deal, but they did and now you are defending it. I'm done with you.
I Like Mike said:
What is the recourse here? Do you retroactively go back and say "actually you still owe this money" since the forgiveness isn't legal??
You do realize most taxpayers don't get those benefits, right?Teslag said:
You do realize these are available to all public service jobs right? Even school teachers and the janitor that cleans their classroom.
Whoa, I just heard KJP's interaction with a reporter today, and it's a real nut crusher. I had no clue that the amount they're forgiving is...peacedude said:
If I had only told the gov't to go EFF itself, and thrown that $35,000 student loan payoff check into Apple stock in 2012...I'd be sitting on well over $350,000 right now (and probably more like $500K+ since the stock has had a few splits since then).
Silly/stupid me.
The 67% of this related to the PSLF has more to do with teachers, police, and soldiers who have already made the equivalent of ten years of loan payments than "dimwit philosophy majors"Quote:
All the dimwit philosophy grads approve.
