I certainly cannot.Charpie said:That's what I find funny. I am a 7th generation Texan, where my daughter is an 8th generation Texan. So my people have been here a long ass time. There aren't many folks posting on this thread who can claim the same.BadMoonRisin said:
Thank you.
There has been a *******ization of language when it comes to immigrants, migrants, and illegal aliens/"asylum" seekers, so clarity is required.
I'm sure the folks that "moved" have opinions about who "replaced" them. RGV turning red, and all.
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Urban Ag said:If by "the right people" you mean non criminal rich and/or highly skilled/educated, then I agree.YouBet said:
I'm totally cool with legal immigration and we should be doing more to make that easier for the right people.
Stopping illegal immigration should be a #1 domestic priority and we could easily mitigate much of the crisis we are under if the Democrats were not for open borders.
Alas, they are traitors and have enough power to forever screw the country over.
Everyone else, sorry the country is closed, moose out front should have told you.
If we need worker bees, get what we need on guest worker programs, bar birthright citizenship, and highly regulate their ability to be legally here.
(Not pointed at you) It seems very few Americans have a historically correct grasp on the history of immigration to our country. It was never this free for all BS that started under Obama. Our govt, historically, tightly coordinated immigration based on quotas we believed we needed to hit to populate western expansion and meet the labor needs of our farms, ranches, factories, and construction. By WWI, immigration was almost done. And it stayed mostly dormant until the 1960's.
We don't need more people. We should be selecting immigrants like a pro sports draft.
Absolutely agree. Basic common sense here but Democrats hate that because they want people dependent on them so it will never happen like this.
Stonegateag85 said:
Your stats are wrong. The highest I've seen is 60 as of the most recent midterm. Now you're just making up stats. It's literally gone down every year and will continue to. Hispanics have never been down with LGBTQ nonsense that has become pervasive.
https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2022-midterm-election
The highest you've seen is 60? Per your own link the highest is 72%. It was 71% in 2012! If you look at the presidential elections the last two decades the average is 65%. Forgive me, I overstated it by a whole 5 points!
It hasn't gone down every year. It has fluctuated in a range between 56% and 72% per your chart over time. If you look at the last two presidential elections, the Dems picked up support. It was 65% in 2016 and 66% in 2020.
So Hispanics aren't down with LGBTQ? Are they down with abortion?!?! Because they are willing to vote for the Dems - the party of baby killing - at a 2-1 rate. Yet the LGBTQ stuff is the issue that turns them away? I don't believe it.
They support Dems 2-1 and that's not going to change.
As far as midterms and the RGV, Abbott lost support this last election:
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2022/11/10/texas-republicans-lost-latino-support-in-election-setback/Quote:
Texas Republicans' success in winning over Latinos seemed to stall this election cycle, with the GOP losing two of three US Congressional seats in heavily-Hispanic South Texas and Governor Greg Abbott seeing a drop in support among the fast-growing demographic.
While the party continues to dominate Texas politics winning all seven statewide contests by wide margins Abbott got just 40% of Latino votes, down from 42% four years ago and compared with two-thirds support among Whites, according to a CNN exit poll. In US Congressional races in the Rio Grande Valley and South Texas, Democrats Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar won their races handily, with Monica de la Cruz the region's only Republican victor.
Two things I'm waiting for and hope to see in my lifetime. I want to pay my speeding ticket when I get pulled over just me and the officer. Second I'm ready for cockfights to become legal again. Our founders loved a good cockfight. The sooner the better.
Stonegateag85 said:
He's just making up nonsense. The most recent split was 60/39 versus 66/32. Those are massive numbers. I suspect we see 42-43% this year. Should it hit 45%, red wave.
We've never seen more than 40% - back in 2004, 20 years ago - but you are predicting 42% this year, after losing support in the midterms in Texas?! Poppycock! I will bet you $100 that we don't see 42% this year.
You know why this is the case, right?Logos Stick said:Stonegateag85 said:
Your stats are wrong. The highest I've seen is 60 as of the most recent midterm. Now you're just making up stats. It's literally gone down every year and will continue to. Hispanics have never been down with LGBTQ nonsense that has become pervasive.
https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2022-midterm-election
The highest you've seen is 60? Per your own link the highest is 72%. It was 71% in 2012! If you look at the presidential elections the last two decades the average is 65%. Forgive me, I overstated it by a whole 5 points!
It hasn't gone down every year. It has fluctuated in a range between 56% and 72% per your chart over time. If you look at the last two presidential elections, the Dems picked up support. It was 65% in 2016 and 66% in 2020.
So Hispanics aren't down with LGBTQ? Are they down with abortion?!?! Because they are willing to vote for the Dems - the party of baby killing - at a 2-1 rate. Yet the LGBTQ stuff is the issue that turns them away? I don't believe it.
They support Dems 2-1 and that's not going to change.
As far as midterms and the RGV, Abbott lost support this last election:https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2022/11/10/texas-republicans-lost-latino-support-in-election-setback/Quote:
Texas Republicans' success in winning over Latinos seemed to stall this election cycle, with the GOP losing two of three US Congressional seats in heavily-Hispanic South Texas and Governor Greg Abbott seeing a drop in support among the fast-growing demographic.
While the party continues to dominate Texas politics winning all seven statewide contests by wide margins Abbott got just 40% of Latino votes, down from 42% four years ago and compared with two-thirds support among Whites, according to a CNN exit poll. In US Congressional races in the Rio Grande Valley and South Texas, Democrats Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar won their races handily, with Monica de la Cruz the region's only Republican victor.
The Texas GOP is a freaking joke and spends no money courting anyone. Abbott did campaign down there, but not many others did. Plus, turnout is historically low for midterm elections, primarily because voters have decided most of the local races in the primary.
Charpie said:You know why this is the case, right?Logos Stick said:Stonegateag85 said:
Your stats are wrong. The highest I've seen is 60 as of the most recent midterm. Now you're just making up stats. It's literally gone down every year and will continue to. Hispanics have never been down with LGBTQ nonsense that has become pervasive.
https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2022-midterm-election
The highest you've seen is 60? Per your own link the highest is 72%. It was 71% in 2012! If you look at the presidential elections the last two decades the average is 65%. Forgive me, I overstated it by a whole 5 points!
It hasn't gone down every year. It has fluctuated in a range between 56% and 72% per your chart over time. If you look at the last two presidential elections, the Dems picked up support. It was 65% in 2016 and 66% in 2020.
So Hispanics aren't down with LGBTQ? Are they down with abortion?!?! Because they are willing to vote for the Dems - the party of baby killing - at a 2-1 rate. Yet the LGBTQ stuff is the issue that turns them away? I don't believe it.
They support Dems 2-1 and that's not going to change.
As far as midterms and the RGV, Abbott lost support this last election:https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2022/11/10/texas-republicans-lost-latino-support-in-election-setback/Quote:
Texas Republicans' success in winning over Latinos seemed to stall this election cycle, with the GOP losing two of three US Congressional seats in heavily-Hispanic South Texas and Governor Greg Abbott seeing a drop in support among the fast-growing demographic.
While the party continues to dominate Texas politics winning all seven statewide contests by wide margins Abbott got just 40% of Latino votes, down from 42% four years ago and compared with two-thirds support among Whites, according to a CNN exit poll. In US Congressional races in the Rio Grande Valley and South Texas, Democrats Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar won their races handily, with Monica de la Cruz the region's only Republican victor.
The Texas GOP is a freaking joke and spends no money courting anyone. Abbott did campaign down there, but not many others did. Plus, turnout is historically low for midterm elections, primarily because voters have decided most of the local races in the primary.
So Hispanics are the fastest growing demo and the GOP spends no money "courting" them? Hmmmm.
Why do they have to be courted exactly? I don't have to be courted. I vote against Marxism, abortion, etc... just because. Why do we have to court the Hispanics - majority Catholic - to convince them to not support the abortion party?
Because the Democrats are courting them in the primaries!Logos Stick said:Charpie said:You know why this is the case, right?Logos Stick said:Stonegateag85 said:
Your stats are wrong. The highest I've seen is 60 as of the most recent midterm. Now you're just making up stats. It's literally gone down every year and will continue to. Hispanics have never been down with LGBTQ nonsense that has become pervasive.
https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2022-midterm-election
The highest you've seen is 60? Per your own link the highest is 72%. It was 71% in 2012! If you look at the presidential elections the last two decades the average is 65%. Forgive me, I overstated it by a whole 5 points!
It hasn't gone down every year. It has fluctuated in a range between 56% and 72% per your chart over time. If you look at the last two presidential elections, the Dems picked up support. It was 65% in 2016 and 66% in 2020.
So Hispanics aren't down with LGBTQ? Are they down with abortion?!?! Because they are willing to vote for the Dems - the party of baby killing - at a 2-1 rate. Yet the LGBTQ stuff is the issue that turns them away? I don't believe it.
They support Dems 2-1 and that's not going to change.
As far as midterms and the RGV, Abbott lost support this last election:https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2022/11/10/texas-republicans-lost-latino-support-in-election-setback/Quote:
Texas Republicans' success in winning over Latinos seemed to stall this election cycle, with the GOP losing two of three US Congressional seats in heavily-Hispanic South Texas and Governor Greg Abbott seeing a drop in support among the fast-growing demographic.
While the party continues to dominate Texas politics winning all seven statewide contests by wide margins Abbott got just 40% of Latino votes, down from 42% four years ago and compared with two-thirds support among Whites, according to a CNN exit poll. In US Congressional races in the Rio Grande Valley and South Texas, Democrats Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar won their races handily, with Monica de la Cruz the region's only Republican victor.
The Texas GOP is a freaking joke and spends no money courting anyone. Abbott did campaign down there, but not many others did. Plus, turnout is historically low for midterm elections, primarily because voters have decided most of the local races in the primary.
So Hispanics are the fastest growing demo and the GOP spends no money "courting" them? Hmmmm.
Why do they have to be courted exactly? I don't have to be courted. I vote against Marxism, abortion, etc... just because. Why do we have to court the Hispanics - majority Catholic - to convince them to not support the abortion party?
You vote against Marxism? Guess what? The average Texan has no idea what that is. I guarantee you that the majority of Hispanics that you talk to will tell you that abortion is the LAST thing that they care about, Catholisism be damned. They see abortion as something that they want no business with. "No te metas en lo que no te importa," is what I my grandmother would say. As Catholics, they firmly believe in the Lord's Prayer, "forgive us our traspasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." So they pray for those women who get abortions and pray for those babies and hope that they confess. If they confess, they have to pay their penance. Once that is done, it's as though they never sinned. The RGV has lots of outreach and help for young girls. When the abortion ban was passed, many in the RGV were unphased by it because as Hispanics, Latinos, Mexican Americans, Texans, whatever you want to call us, know that if we get into trouble, we have our families to help us.
Charpie said:Because the Democrats are courting them in the primaries!Logos Stick said:Charpie said:You know why this is the case, right?Logos Stick said:Stonegateag85 said:
Your stats are wrong. The highest I've seen is 60 as of the most recent midterm. Now you're just making up stats. It's literally gone down every year and will continue to. Hispanics have never been down with LGBTQ nonsense that has become pervasive.
https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2022-midterm-election
The highest you've seen is 60? Per your own link the highest is 72%. It was 71% in 2012! If you look at the presidential elections the last two decades the average is 65%. Forgive me, I overstated it by a whole 5 points!
It hasn't gone down every year. It has fluctuated in a range between 56% and 72% per your chart over time. If you look at the last two presidential elections, the Dems picked up support. It was 65% in 2016 and 66% in 2020.
So Hispanics aren't down with LGBTQ? Are they down with abortion?!?! Because they are willing to vote for the Dems - the party of baby killing - at a 2-1 rate. Yet the LGBTQ stuff is the issue that turns them away? I don't believe it.
They support Dems 2-1 and that's not going to change.
As far as midterms and the RGV, Abbott lost support this last election:https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2022/11/10/texas-republicans-lost-latino-support-in-election-setback/Quote:
Texas Republicans' success in winning over Latinos seemed to stall this election cycle, with the GOP losing two of three US Congressional seats in heavily-Hispanic South Texas and Governor Greg Abbott seeing a drop in support among the fast-growing demographic.
While the party continues to dominate Texas politics winning all seven statewide contests by wide margins Abbott got just 40% of Latino votes, down from 42% four years ago and compared with two-thirds support among Whites, according to a CNN exit poll. In US Congressional races in the Rio Grande Valley and South Texas, Democrats Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar won their races handily, with Monica de la Cruz the region's only Republican victor.
The Texas GOP is a freaking joke and spends no money courting anyone. Abbott did campaign down there, but not many others did. Plus, turnout is historically low for midterm elections, primarily because voters have decided most of the local races in the primary.
So Hispanics are the fastest growing demo and the GOP spends no money "courting" them? Hmmmm.
Why do they have to be courted exactly? I don't have to be courted. I vote against Marxism, abortion, etc... just because. Why do we have to court the Hispanics - majority Catholic - to convince them to not support the abortion party?
You vote against Marxism? Guess what? The average Texan has no idea what that is. I guarantee you that the majority of Hispanics that you talk to will tell you that abortion is the LAST thing that they care about, Catholisism be damned. They see abortion as something that they want no business with. "No te metas en lo que no te importa," is what I my grandmother would say. As Catholics, they firmly believe in the Lord's Prayer, "forgive us our traspasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." So they pray for those women who get abortions and pray for those babies and hope that they confess. If they confess, they have to pay their penance. Once that is done, it's as though they never sinned. The RGV has lots of outreach and help for young girls. When the abortion ban was passed, many in the RGV were unphased by it because as Hispanics, Latinos, Mexican Americans, Texans, whatever you want to call us, know that if we get into trouble, we have our families to help us.
What exactly do you mean by courting them?
If they don't care about killing babies, why do they care about LGBTQ. Seems they would also just vote for Dems and pray they be forgiven too.
Logos Stick said:Stonegateag85 said:
Your stats are wrong. The highest I've seen is 60 as of the most recent midterm. Now you're just making up stats. It's literally gone down every year and will continue to. Hispanics have never been down with LGBTQ nonsense that has become pervasive.
https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2022-midterm-election
The highest you've seen is 60? Per your own link the highest is 72%. It was 71% in 2012! If you look at the presidential elections the last two decades the average is 65%. Forgive me, I overstated it by a whole 5 points!
It hasn't gone down every year. It has fluctuated in a range between 56% and 72% per your chart over time. If you look at the last two presidential elections, the Dems picked up support. It was 65% in 2016 and 66% in 2020.
So Hispanics aren't down with LGBTQ? Are they down with abortion?!?! Because they are willing to vote for the Dems - the party of baby killing - at a 2-1 rate. Yet the LGBTQ stuff is the issue that turns them away? I don't believe it.
They support Dems 2-1 and that's not going to change.
As far as midterms and the RGV, Abbott lost support this last election:https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2022/11/10/texas-republicans-lost-latino-support-in-election-setback/Quote:
Texas Republicans' success in winning over Latinos seemed to stall this election cycle, with the GOP losing two of three US Congressional seats in heavily-Hispanic South Texas and Governor Greg Abbott seeing a drop in support among the fast-growing demographic.
While the party continues to dominate Texas politics winning all seven statewide contests by wide margins Abbott got just 40% of Latino votes, down from 42% four years ago and compared with two-thirds support among Whites, according to a CNN exit poll. In US Congressional races in the Rio Grande Valley and South Texas, Democrats Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar won their races handily, with Monica de la Cruz the region's only Republican victor.
I should have clarified and said the most recent percentage was at 60, nowhere near the 70 you've been claiming. The world is so different from the 2012 number you're referencing that the number 71% is irrelevant now and the 70% will continue to shrink. Face it, you exaggerated in your original post without actually looking at the the numbers and then tried to double down on it when in fact the numbers are decreasing downwards towards more republican support.
You clearly don't know very many Hispanics.
Stonegateag85 said:Logos Stick said:Stonegateag85 said:
Your stats are wrong. The highest I've seen is 60 as of the most recent midterm. Now you're just making up stats. It's literally gone down every year and will continue to. Hispanics have never been down with LGBTQ nonsense that has become pervasive.
https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2022-midterm-election
The highest you've seen is 60? Per your own link the highest is 72%. It was 71% in 2012! If you look at the presidential elections the last two decades the average is 65%. Forgive me, I overstated it by a whole 5 points!
It hasn't gone down every year. It has fluctuated in a range between 56% and 72% per your chart over time. If you look at the last two presidential elections, the Dems picked up support. It was 65% in 2016 and 66% in 2020.
So Hispanics aren't down with LGBTQ? Are they down with abortion?!?! Because they are willing to vote for the Dems - the party of baby killing - at a 2-1 rate. Yet the LGBTQ stuff is the issue that turns them away? I don't believe it.
They support Dems 2-1 and that's not going to change.
As far as midterms and the RGV, Abbott lost support this last election:https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2022/11/10/texas-republicans-lost-latino-support-in-election-setback/Quote:
Texas Republicans' success in winning over Latinos seemed to stall this election cycle, with the GOP losing two of three US Congressional seats in heavily-Hispanic South Texas and Governor Greg Abbott seeing a drop in support among the fast-growing demographic.
While the party continues to dominate Texas politics winning all seven statewide contests by wide margins Abbott got just 40% of Latino votes, down from 42% four years ago and compared with two-thirds support among Whites, according to a CNN exit poll. In US Congressional races in the Rio Grande Valley and South Texas, Democrats Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar won their races handily, with Monica de la Cruz the region's only Republican victor.
I should have clarified and said the most recent percentage was at 60, nowhere near the 70 you've been claiming. The world is so different from the 2012 number you're referencing that the number 71% is irrelevant now and the 70% will continue to shrink. Face it, you exaggerated in your original post without actually looking at the the numbers and then tried to double down on it when in fact the numbers are decreasing downwards towards more republican support.
The average is 65. Close enough. Hispanics vote 2-1 for Dems ON AVERAGE and always will.
Stonegateag85 said:
You clearly don't know very many Hispanics.
are you taking the bet?
I don't understand why people have to be courted in the first place. If I have to convince you why voting for Democrats is not in your best interest then you are too stupid to be voting.
YouBet said:
I don't understand why people have to be courted in the first place. If I have to convince you why voting for Democrats is not in your best interest then you are too stupid to be voting.
And you wonder why Hispanics vote for Democrats
He's not wrong. Why you shouldn't vote for socialism should be self evident for someone fleeing the disaster that is Central America.
YouBet said:NCNJ1217 said:
Hispanics dont automatically vote Democrat.
Let's hope not. They are our only hope going forward.
I think there is a very good chance this backfires on the dims….. I think the pendulum is swinging with Hispanic voters
I don't speak for Central or South Americans. Those people don't live on the border. And y'all should stop painting all Hispanics with one broad stroke
Agreed the Cuban immigrants are pretty good.Charpie said:
I don't speak for Central or South Americans. Those people don't live on the border. And y'all should stop painting all Hispanics with one broad stroke
Sure. I'll do $200 to a charity of your choice, does that work? Make it for a good cause.
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