What ally? Since when are we allies with Ukraine? We are no more allies with them than we were with the S. Vietnamese. We initiated an internal regime change to get their pro-Russian leader out and put "our" guy in. And what agreement? There were no terms of mutual defense/support other than handshakes.aTmAg said:Except standing by an ally and sticking to a past agreement is nothing like the Golf of Tonkin.BlueSmoke said:This is a regurgitated talking point - we used it in our false flag operations in the Gulf of Tonkin. We used it as a precursor to invade Iraq on a premise of lies. But hey, this time.....aTmAg said:
it has everything to do with the security of the United States.
So you think we should not have alliances or treaties, and that we shouldn't stick by them?
Yeah... you are a real foreign policy savant.
(And the Iraqi WMD program thing wasn't a lie, it was an intelligence failure. Even Saddam thought he had them. His own people were lying to him.)
This is a proxy war. Just as Vietnam was for Russia. Afghanistan in the 80's for the US.
As for the bolded part, now we're just off in la-la land. It was a false flag. Full stop. We knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. He knew he didn't have them and communicated this to interrogators in 2003 when he was captured. Or are you intimating that he "thought" he had them and was kept in the dark by a cabal of his own cabinet?
He admitted that he flat out LIED about having them, so as not to appear weak to Iran. The FBI asked him directly - if WMDs could have been developed without his knowledge:
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Hussein said no, and claimed on several occasions he held meetings with all of his ministers and asked them specifically if Iraq had WMD that he was unaware of.