I won't be voting for House rep anymore if this happens. It doesn't matter going forward who has control of the House anyway. Dems get an extra reconciliation bill each year to spend like maniacs, that's it. The deficit spending is so large right now that spending more is piss in the ocean. I'll limit my vote to the Senate and WH from now on if they change the rule on this.

We will know this Saturday.


eta: and I dont think Johnson should be ousted because the new boss wont be any different.

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Momentum is growing quickly behind the effort to remove Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) from power if he moves to alter the motion to vacate rule as part of a package of foreign aid that's expected to pass through the House this weekend.

Johnson is reportedly flirting with a proposal to raise the threshold for forcing a vote on a motion to vacate, which can currently be called by a single lawmaker. That would reverse an agreement that former GOP leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) cut with conservatives in January of last year as a condition of gaining their support for his Speakership.

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https://www.ktsm.com/news/us-politics/momentum-grows-to-remove-johnson-over-potential-change-to-ouster-rule/

I am confused. Why would the House need legislation to change their own rules? Those rules are changed at the start of every new session anyway?

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I am confused. Why would the House need legislation to change their own rules? Those rules are changed at the start of every new session anyway?

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I did not get that either, but I assume it will all be voted on together, the bills and the rule change in order to get the needed support? is that possible?

Looks like he's preparing for when/if MTG makes her move.

Popcorn at the ready.

It was an insane rule in 1st place to attain House Speaker, the REP need to get off this struggle bus.

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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It's not one person to get rid of him. It's a simple majority of the House. Only one is needed to force a vote. It was one vote until 2019 when the Dems changed it.

In this case, the Dems will never agree to the change and it will fail, thus Johnson looks to be throwing in the bills to get Dem support.

SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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One person calling for a vote is not blowing up the house, its just a vote.

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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By forcing a vote on a motion to vacate every time something happens that one member doesn't agree with they certainly can. And knowing that the dems will happily participate in the GOPs circular firing squad means that it will likely continue to succeed.

Dumb rule. The house is basically split 50/50. So if you piss off a few in the GOP, they call a vote, 100% of Dems vote with a few GOP and the speaker gets ousted.

So basically the Speaker can't do anything that would piss off even an extreme minority of the GOP. That's idiotic.

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Dumb rule. The house is basically split 50/50. So if you piss off a few in the GOP, they call a vote, 100% of Dems vote with a few GOP and the speaker gets ousted.

So basically the Speaker can't do anything that would piss off even an extreme minority of the GOP. That's idiotic.

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He would not piss of a few of the GOP if he quit passing Democrat bills and threating to use Democrat votes to fund Ukraine. He is pissing off people because hes going back on what he said.

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SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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By forcing a vote on a motion to vacate every time something happens that one member doesn't agree with they certainly can. And knowing that the dems will happily participate in the GOPs circular firing squad means that it will likely continue to succeed.

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Do you not understand what a simple majority vote is in the House? Do you know how many members are in the House? Its public info. Look it up. One person cant blow it up.

It always been one vote to vacate except for a few years.

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SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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By forcing a vote on a motion to vacate every time something happens that one member doesn't agree with they certainly can. And knowing that the dems will happily participate in the GOPs circular firing squad means that it will likely continue to succeed.

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Its better than passing fuding bills and Democrat spending bills and other crap. What is the issue?

Logos Stick said:

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SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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Yes they can in the current state of HOR when it's split almost exactly 50/50.

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GeorgiAg said:

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Dumb rule. The house is basically split 50/50. So if you piss off a few in the GOP, they call a vote, 100% of Dems vote with a few GOP and the speaker gets ousted.

So basically the Speaker can't do anything that would piss off even an extreme minority of the GOP. That's idiotic.

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He would not piss of a few of the GOP if he quit passing Democrat bills and threating to use Democrat votes to fund Ukraine. He is pissing off people because hes going back on what he said.

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Sorry, but giving Ukraine to Putin is the position of only a radical few.

GeorgiAg said:

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Dumb rule. The house is basically split 50/50. So if you piss off a few in the GOP, they call a vote, 100% of Dems vote with a few GOP and the speaker gets ousted.

So basically the Speaker can't do anything that would piss off even an extreme minority of the GOP. That's idiotic.

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How is that a bad thing?

I don't want my government to be a well oiled machine in governing me. I want my government to have to tip toe around how hard they can govern us otherwise they get ousted.

And just because a R SOTH gets ousted, doesnt mean we get a D SOTH. It just means we re-vote on a new SOTH which should mean another R SOTH gets in. The issue is with how the R's have healthy politcal bickering whereas the D's are in lock-step advancing big leftist government, regardless of their constituents.

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SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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By forcing a vote on a motion to vacate every time something happens that one member doesn't agree with they certainly can. And knowing that the dems will happily participate in the GOPs circular firing squad means that it will likely continue to succeed.

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Do you not understand what a simple majority vote is in the House? Do you know how many members are in the House? Its public info. Look it up. One person cant blow it up.

It always been one vote to vacate except for a few years.

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Every time a moron like MTG or Gaetz wants to be in the spotlight again they can threaten these motions. If they file, everything else has to stop while people vote on the motion, and because the dems are actually united it will probably pass and then we're back where we were in November.

It's insane to give one person so much power when there are 200+ Republicans who all have to answer to districts that are varying degrees of red.

Not ideal. But I would rather watch them focus on this than passing more worthless legislation that just hands out our money like this...

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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By forcing a vote on a motion to vacate every time something happens that one member doesn't agree with they certainly can. And knowing that the dems will happily participate in the GOPs circular firing squad means that it will likely continue to succeed.

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Do you not understand what a simple majority vote is in the House? Do you know how many members are in the House? Its public info. Look it up. One person cant blow it up.

It always been one vote to vacate except for a few years.

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Every time a moron like MTG or Gaetz wants to be in the spotlight again they can threaten these motions. If they file, everything else has to stop while people vote on the motion, and because the dems are actually united it will probably pass and then we're back where we were in November.

It's insane to give one person so much power when there are 200+ Republicans who all have to answer to districts that are varying degrees of red.

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Those 200 Rs still have a vote and power, as do the Dems. One person doesn't have power. It's always been one vote unto Dems changed it for a few years. It was agreed to by Johnson. Now that he has betrayed his word, he wants to change it to keep power. He's one power hungry dude!

Newsy: House Freedom Caucus members are signing up to take shifts to guard the House floor in order to prevent resolutions they’d consider unsavory from slipping through that could curb their power, per two R sources.

This Floor Action Response Team (“FART”) aims to guard…

— Olivia Beavers (@Olivia_Beavers) April 18, 2024

Wonder which idiot thought that was a good idea.

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SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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By forcing a vote on a motion to vacate every time something happens that one member doesn't agree with they certainly can. And knowing that the dems will happily participate in the GOPs circular firing squad means that it will likely continue to succeed.

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Do you not understand what a simple majority vote is in the House? Do you know how many members are in the House? Its public info. Look it up. One person cant blow it up.

It always been one vote to vacate except for a few years.

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Every time a moron like MTG or Gaetz wants to be in the spotlight again they can threaten these motions. If they file, everything else has to stop while people vote on the motion, and because the dems are actually united it will probably pass and then we're back where we were in November.

It's insane to give one person so much power when there are 200+ Republicans who all have to answer to districts that are varying degrees of red.

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Those 200 Rs still have a vote and power, as do the Dems. One person doesn't have power. It's always been one vote unto Dems changed it for a few years. It was agreed to by Johnson. Now that he has betrayed his word, he wants to change it to keep power. He's one power hungry dude!

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You're still missing the point, possibly deliberately I guess. When one person decides to call a motion to vacate everything else stops. If MTG/Gaetz succeed in partnering with the Dems again to call the vote even more time is spent dealing with that. That's the definition of blowing up the day to day operations of the House.

Now, your opinion can be that the less they are doing their jobs the better, but then I guess I'd ask what specifically you actually want them to do.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Logos Stick said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Logos Stick said:

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SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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By forcing a vote on a motion to vacate every time something happens that one member doesn't agree with they certainly can. And knowing that the dems will happily participate in the GOPs circular firing squad means that it will likely continue to succeed.

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Do you not understand what a simple majority vote is in the House? Do you know how many members are in the House? Its public info. Look it up. One person cant blow it up.

It always been one vote to vacate except for a few years.

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Every time a moron like MTG or Gaetz wants to be in the spotlight again they can threaten these motions. If they file, everything else has to stop while people vote on the motion, and because the dems are actually united it will probably pass and then we're back where we were in November.

It's insane to give one person so much power when there are 200+ Republicans who all have to answer to districts that are varying degrees of red.

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Those 200 Rs still have a vote and power, as do the Dems. One person doesn't have power. It's always been one vote unto Dems changed it for a few years. It was agreed to by Johnson. Now that he has betrayed his word, he wants to change it to keep power. He's one power hungry dude!

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You're still missing the point, possibly deliberately I guess. When one person decides to call a motion to vacate everything else stops. If MTG/Gaetz succeed in partnering with the Dems again to call the vote even more time is spent dealing with that. That's the definition of blowing up the day to day operations of the House.

Now, your opinion can be that the less they are doing their jobs the better, but then I guess I'd ask what specifically you actually want them to do.

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To claim that work is being held up is a laughable stretch in general. They are not that busy. LOL. This is not an assembly line or fast food joint during lunch. Unless a CR is about to expire (you know, a government shutdown is about to occur), there is nothing that can't wait just a wee bit. That's not too much to ask to hold leadership accountable when they break agreements with the members. Of all the reasons to not allow one vote as always has been done, that's one of the dumber reasons.

Logos Stick said:

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Logos Stick said:

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SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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By forcing a vote on a motion to vacate every time something happens that one member doesn't agree with they certainly can. And knowing that the dems will happily participate in the GOPs circular firing squad means that it will likely continue to succeed.

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Do you not understand what a simple majority vote is in the House? Do you know how many members are in the House? Its public info. Look it up. One person cant blow it up.

It always been one vote to vacate except for a few years.

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When the Rs only have a margin of a couple of seats and the Ds will vote 100% to oust any R speaker if given the chance, it only takes 1 person to make the motion and a couple of Rs to join, and you have another month long shutdown while you figure out who is dumb enough to want to be speaker that can get every single R to vote for them.

This is not just Johnson's fault. Try vetting your candidates next time repubs

The McCarthy rule was stupid as F in the first place and made the speaker hostage to the conflicting demands of every tiny faction in the house. Constantly threatening to replace the speaker from the left or right is a suicide pact for the majority as a whole. The rule needs to be gone.

Logos Stick said:

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Logos Stick said:

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SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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By forcing a vote on a motion to vacate every time something happens that one member doesn't agree with they certainly can. And knowing that the dems will happily participate in the GOPs circular firing squad means that it will likely continue to succeed.

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Do you not understand what a simple majority vote is in the House? Do you know how many members are in the House? Its public info. Look it up. One person cant blow it up.

It always been one vote to vacate except for a few years.

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Every time a moron like MTG or Gaetz wants to be in the spotlight again they can threaten these motions. If they file, everything else has to stop while people vote on the motion, and because the dems are actually united it will probably pass and then we're back where we were in November.

It's insane to give one person so much power when there are 200+ Republicans who all have to answer to districts that are varying degrees of red.

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Those 200 Rs still have a vote and power, as do the Dems. One person doesn't have power. It's always been one vote unto Dems changed it for a few years. It was agreed to by Johnson. Now that he has betrayed his word, he wants to change it to keep power. He's one power hungry dude!

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You're still missing the point, possibly deliberately I guess. When one person decides to call a motion to vacate everything else stops. If MTG/Gaetz succeed in partnering with the Dems again to call the vote even more time is spent dealing with that. That's the definition of blowing up the day to day operations of the House.

Now, your opinion can be that the less they are doing their jobs the better, but then I guess I'd ask what specifically you actually want them to do.

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To claim that work is being held up is a laughable stretch in general. They are not that busy. LOL. This is not an assembly line or fast food joint during lunch. Unless a CR is about to expire (you know, a government shutdown is about to occur), there is nothing that can't wait just a wee bit. That's not too much to ask to hold leadership accountable when they break agreements with the members. Of all the reasons to not allow one vote as always has been done, that's one of the dumber reasons.

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Ah, so your argument is that grinding all activity to a halt based on the whims of attention *****s like MTG and Gaetz isn't disruptive at all. Got it.

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Logos Stick said:

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SouthTex99 said:

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The motion to vacate is silly. It doesn't matter who is speaker when one idiot can unseat you on a whim. Let's have a vote on these important issues and let the chips fall where they fall. Own it.

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Agreed. Letting one member blow up the entire house operations is asinine and McCarthy never should have agreed to it in the first place. Hopefully they can finally neuter MTG the way the left has with the squad.

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one person cant blow it up

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By forcing a vote on a motion to vacate every time something happens that one member doesn't agree with they certainly can. And knowing that the dems will happily participate in the GOPs circular firing squad means that it will likely continue to succeed.

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Do you not understand what a simple majority vote is in the House? Do you know how many members are in the House? Its public info. Look it up. One person cant blow it up.

It always been one vote to vacate except for a few years.

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When the Rs only have a margin of a couple of seats and the Ds will vote 100% to oust any R speaker if given the chance, it only takes 1 person to make the motion and a couple of Rs to join, and you have another month long shutdown while you figure out who is dumb enough to want to be speaker that can get every single R to vote for them.

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And what catastrophic event occurred while they decided on a new speaker last time? Remind me please. I don't think they should oust Johnson because the next person won't have an ounce of integrity either. Passing the warrantless surveillance was a complete stab in the back and pure idiocy. Johnson agreed to the one person rule and now, like all of his other promises, he's breaking it. The low life can't be trusted.

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I am confused. Why would the House need legislation to change their own rules? Those rules are changed at the start of every new session anyway?

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Not only that, aren/t the rules enacted without going to the President to be signed or vetoed?

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I am confused. Why would the House need legislation to change their own rules? Those rules are changed at the start of every new session anyway?

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Not only that, aren/t the rules enacted without going to the President to be signed or vetoed?

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Yes.

But, rule changes can be passed/approved as part of any floor vote (including those on legislation). I think.

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I am confused. Why would the House need legislation to change their own rules? Those rules are changed at the start of every new session anyway?

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Not only that, aren/t the rules enacted without going to the President to be signed or vetoed?

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Yes.

But, rule changes can be passed/approved as part of any floor vote (including those on legislation). I think.

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That's pretty interesting. It seems kind of odd to hold a rules change vote on a vote for or against legislation.

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But can you put MTGs face on the elephant?

Caveat, I could be wrong. But certainly house rules changes don't require senate vote/POTUS signature.

Democrats were notoriously brutal with their rules changes to minimize any disruptions from the GOP when they had power (and eliminated those rules right before the GOP majority took office).