Funny, when I was growing up, I never wanted to be career fast food worker. Probably because I would be poor. My dad flipped burgers in High school, thank God he went to A&M. That is what is "supposed" to happen, or move on to another job where you can work your way up to a decent salary.

People just do not want to work, this hurts every business not just Fast food. Yall think people will want to do psychical labor making 20 dollars an hour or flip burgers or make beef jerky at at Buccees? We cannot find workers and we are in Houston

You do not want to put in the work for a better job? That is their decision, only people under 22 should be working at a fast food restaurant.

It is not my fault they are dumb and raised wrong.

Mondemonium said:

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Main Findings

• More than half (52 percent) of the families of front-line fast-food workers are enrolled in one or more public programs, compared to 25 percent of the workforce as a whole.
• The cost of public assistance to families of workers in the fast-food industry is nearly $7 billion per year.
• At an average of $3.9 billion per year, spending on Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) accounts for more than half of these costs.
• Due to low earnings, fast-food workers' families also receive an annual average of $1.04 billion in food stamp benefits and $1.91 billion in Earned Income Tax Credit payments.
• People working in fast-food jobs are more likely to live in or near poverty. One in five families with a member holding a fast-food job has an income below the poverty line, and 43 percent have an income two times the federal poverty level or less.
• Even full-time hours are not enough to compensate for low wages. The families of more than half of the fast-food workers employed 40 or more hours per week are enrolled in public assistance programs.

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https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/fast-food-poverty-wages-the-public-cost-of-low-wage-jobs-in-the-fast-food-industry/#:~:text=Due%20to%20low%20earnings%2C%20fast,live%20in%20or%20near%20poverty.

So if the employer pays low wages, you all are fine paying taxes for welfare?

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Nice way to conflate 2 unrelated things.

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Walmart/McDonalds pays employees poverty wages. Employee qualifies for food stamps, etc... How is that "unrelated?"

Your taxes are going to Walmart/McD employees food stamps.

$7 billion a year?

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They're starter jobs. McDonald's will hand out college scholarships to line workers who want them. The real money is in management and both are willing to train people up from the bottom rung.

But here's the thing. You've got to be willing to work. They don't pay the big bucks right off the bat.

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You hate to see it.

They vote blue or red next election?

How many more small businesses throw in the towel?

On April 1st, California raised the minimum wages for fast food workers to $20/hour.

That same day, Fosters Freeze went out of business and laid off all 20 employees.

The owner says that he was crushed but is unable to sustain the wage hike as a small business owner.

Mass… pic.twitter.com/thJbuqLBfR

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 4, 2024

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I don't get it. If the $20/hr only applies to businesses with more than 60 locations, why does this affect a business with only 20 employees?

I remember living in Seattle during the minimum wage hike discussion and reading blog comments from locals saying that companies that can't afford to pay a "living wage" didn't deserve to operate. I guess those folks are getting what they ask for. Most of them will think these businesses are closing out of greed and there's no hope for them.

It worked like it was supposed to

Dems got to pretend they care about the working man while their Mega corporate donors get to crush their small business competition with regulations the smaller guys can't hope to meet

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I remember living in Seattle during the minimum wage hike discussion and reading blog comments from locals saying that companies that can't afford to pay a "living wage" didn't deserve to operate. I guess those folks are getting what they ask for. Most of them will think these businesses are closing out of greed and there's no hope for them.

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That's their mental cover for supporting the legislation that only benefits the Mega Coros because it destroys their competition

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How much does Gavin pay the staff at the restaurant he's part owner of?

Oh that's right, his place is exempt from this new law! The law only applies to businesses with > 60 locations and that do not have table service (wait staff).

Still a bad look though.

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Panera Bread is a big campaign contributor to Newsom, that is why there is an exemption for places that bake their own bread.

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itsyourboypookie said:

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You hate to see it.

They vote blue or red next election?

How many more small businesses throw in the towel?

On April 1st, California raised the minimum wages for fast food workers to $20/hour.

That same day, Fosters Freeze went out of business and laid off all 20 employees.

The owner says that he was crushed but is unable to sustain the wage hike as a small business owner.

Mass… pic.twitter.com/thJbuqLBfR

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 4, 2024

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I don't get it. If the $20/hr only applies to businesses with more than 60 locations, why does this affect a business with only 20 employees?

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It's a chain out west. I think this franchisee only has the one, or a few locations.

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It worked like it was supposed to

Dems got to pretend they care about the working man while their Mega corporate donors get to crush their small business competition with regulations the smaller guys can't hope to meet

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Bingo, McDonalds and such can afford the capital expense of automation. The medium size restaurants don't have the capital for that so they'll just pull out of California entirely or close select locations to get below the 60 number to be exempt.


It's worth repeating, burger flipper, french fry cook, WalMart stocker, grocery cashier... NONE of these jobs were ever intended to be full time life-long careers. Minimum wages are proper compensation for minimum skill and minimum difficulty. If you want to make more money, get more skills, learn more, work harder, and get the better job.

The ones that are hurt the worst are young workers. Raising minimum wage to levels way above market reduces the number of those jobs that will be available thus raising the first rungs on the employment ladder. New workers need these entry level jobs. This is where work ethic is honed. Everyone remembers their first job, and most will be quick to say that it was the skills they gained on that job that helped them get to where they are today. Learning "I never want to do this the rest of my life!" Learning to show up on time. Learning customer service.

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Funny, when I was growing up, I never wanted to be career fast food worker. Probably because I would be poor. My dad flipped burgers in High school, thank God he went to A&M. That is what is "supposed" to happen, or move on to another job where you can work your way up to a decent salary.

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Reminds me of this, from the late, great Walter E. Williams:

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Avoiding long-term poverty is not rocket science. First, graduate from high school. Second, get married before you have children, and stay married. Third, work at any kind of job, even one that starts out paying the minimum wage. And, finally, avoid engaging in criminal behavior.

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http://walterewilliams.com/how-not-to-be-poor/

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Funny, when I was growing up, I never wanted to be career fast food worker. Probably because I would be poor. My dad flipped burgers in High school, thank God he went to A&M. That is what is "supposed" to happen, or move on to another job where you can work your way up to a decent salary.

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Ted Cruz discussed this in one of his recent podcast episodes. He said his father's first job in the states paid $0.50 an hour to wash dishes. He later got a promotion to $0.85 an hour as (if I recall correctly) a line cook. From there he was able to save his money and pay for college at tu. He said though how thankful he was that someone well intentioned liberal didn't raise the minimum wage to $1.00 an hour and lead that restaurant to purchase an automated dishwasher.

Gus Fring of Los Pollos Hermanos food chains was interviewed and is fine with the change. He said their profits have never been better. He said many of his employees are way above that rate now.

"What a surprise, huh?"

Un, no. Anyone with a working brain and a fundamental understanding of economics TOLD you this wouldn't work.

Democrats are idiots. They just thought the money would come out of nowhere.

And of course, they're making the owner the bad guy.

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itsyourboypookie said:

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You hate to see it.

They vote blue or red next election?

How many more small businesses throw in the towel?

On April 1st, California raised the minimum wages for fast food workers to $20/hour.

That same day, Fosters Freeze went out of business and laid off all 20 employees.

The owner says that he was crushed but is unable to sustain the wage hike as a small business owner.

Mass… pic.twitter.com/thJbuqLBfR

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 4, 2024

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I don't get it. If the $20/hr only applies to businesses with more than 60 locations, why does this affect a business with only 20 employees?

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I had to look it up- it has 62 locations so maybe the chain decided to close 2 or three of them to get around this absurd law.

https://fostersfreeze.com/locations/

of course they'll keep voting blue...idiots never learn


see, they just didnt do it right this time...the dems will promise to pass regulations to force these businesses to remain open and raise their wages to eleventy billion an hour

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How much does Gavin pay the staff at the restaurant he's part owner of?

Oh that's right, his place is exempt from this new law! The law only applies to businesses with > 60 locations and that do not have table service (wait staff).

Still a bad look though.

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Meaning it's not really about "everyone having a living wage", but rather just more control over the peasants while ensuring their personal lives aren't impacted.

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Main Findings

• More than half (52 percent) of the families of front-line fast-food workers are enrolled in one or more public programs, compared to 25 percent of the workforce as a whole.
• The cost of public assistance to families of workers in the fast-food industry is nearly $7 billion per year.
• At an average of $3.9 billion per year, spending on Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) accounts for more than half of these costs.
• Due to low earnings, fast-food workers' families also receive an annual average of $1.04 billion in food stamp benefits and $1.91 billion in Earned Income Tax Credit payments.
• People working in fast-food jobs are more likely to live in or near poverty. One in five families with a member holding a fast-food job has an income below the poverty line, and 43 percent have an income two times the federal poverty level or less.
• Even full-time hours are not enough to compensate for low wages. The families of more than half of the fast-food workers employed 40 or more hours per week are enrolled in public assistance programs.

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https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/fast-food-poverty-wages-the-public-cost-of-low-wage-jobs-in-the-fast-food-industry/#:~:text=Due%20to%20low%20earnings%2C%20fast,live%20in%20or%20near%20poverty.

So if the employer pays low wages, you all are fine paying taxes for welfare?

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Nice way to conflate 2 unrelated things.

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Walmart/McDonalds pays employees poverty wages. Employee qualifies for food stamps, etc... How is that "unrelated?"

Your taxes are going to Walmart/McD employees food stamps.

$7 billion a year?

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Walmart/McDonalds are not paying the wages they do in any way related to the fact that some of their employees qualify for welfare.

If the welfare was removed, the Walmart/McDonalds pay would not change.

They are two unrelated things.

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just back from a lunch date

$10 for a bowl of tomato soup for me

$52 for my date (second and last date with this woman)=

$10 dreamsicle cocktail
$28 glazed salmon bowl
$5 side of broccoli

$72 total tab with tax and tip for my $10 bowl of soup!!!

the hot japanese female robots can't get here soon enough.

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Did that $72 at least get you to 2nd base?

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If it Floats, Flies, or ****s, it is cheaper to rent.

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The 3Fs Rule.

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Mondemonium said:

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Main Findings

• More than half (52 percent) of the families of front-line fast-food workers are enrolled in one or more public programs, compared to 25 percent of the workforce as a whole.
• The cost of public assistance to families of workers in the fast-food industry is nearly $7 billion per year.
• At an average of $3.9 billion per year, spending on Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) accounts for more than half of these costs.
• Due to low earnings, fast-food workers' families also receive an annual average of $1.04 billion in food stamp benefits and $1.91 billion in Earned Income Tax Credit payments.
• People working in fast-food jobs are more likely to live in or near poverty. One in five families with a member holding a fast-food job has an income below the poverty line, and 43 percent have an income two times the federal poverty level or less.
• Even full-time hours are not enough to compensate for low wages. The families of more than half of the fast-food workers employed 40 or more hours per week are enrolled in public assistance programs.

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https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/fast-food-poverty-wages-the-public-cost-of-low-wage-jobs-in-the-fast-food-industry/#:~:text=Due%20to%20low%20earnings%2C%20fast,live%20in%20or%20near%20poverty.

So if the employer pays low wages, you all are fine paying taxes for welfare?

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At least you'd still have restaurants instead of forcing them out of business with this stupidity. Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be a career anyway.

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I know, but are docs, lawyers and accountants gonna take part time jobs to supplement their income? Who do you think is working these jobs? They may be H.S. dropouts or only have a GED.

I take issue with Walmart and McDonalds posting massive profits in part because they get cheap labor that has to be IS subsidized by taxpayers.

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No it doesn't...

And again...you're conflating 2 different issues.

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ok, I edited it. We could do away with food welfare, but that's not happening.

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The cheap labor is NOT subsidized by taxpayers.

I'd be for the government not paying welfare.

Wouldn't change the rate of pay at the employers at all.

Wages are just prices. Employees offer labor services for sale. Employers offer jobs that will use those labor services. When they agree on a price for the labor services, the employee is willing to go to work for the employer.

Note that nowhere in that equation was "welfare".

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itsyourboypookie said:

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You hate to see it.

They vote blue or red next election?

How many more small businesses throw in the towel?

On April 1st, California raised the minimum wages for fast food workers to $20/hour.

That same day, Fosters Freeze went out of business and laid off all 20 employees.

The owner says that he was crushed but is unable to sustain the wage hike as a small business owner.

Mass… pic.twitter.com/thJbuqLBfR

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 4, 2024

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I don't get it. If the $20/hr only applies to businesses with more than 60 locations, why does this affect a business with only 20 employees?

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And why would the employees think they were getting the pay bump if it didn't apply to that business?

ETA: Nevermind. I see it was answered above.

Imagine a world that you had to man up and provide for your family to survive. I guess then it would be survival of the fittest and the human population would get stronger. Instead we dumb down the populations with hand outs and let the lowest common group breed more. Exact opposite of every other living species on earth. Humans are idiots and liberals are the lowest common denominator.

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Mondemonium said:

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Main Findings

• More than half (52 percent) of the families of front-line fast-food workers are enrolled in one or more public programs, compared to 25 percent of the workforce as a whole.
• The cost of public assistance to families of workers in the fast-food industry is nearly $7 billion per year.
• At an average of $3.9 billion per year, spending on Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) accounts for more than half of these costs.
• Due to low earnings, fast-food workers' families also receive an annual average of $1.04 billion in food stamp benefits and $1.91 billion in Earned Income Tax Credit payments.
• People working in fast-food jobs are more likely to live in or near poverty. One in five families with a member holding a fast-food job has an income below the poverty line, and 43 percent have an income two times the federal poverty level or less.
• Even full-time hours are not enough to compensate for low wages. The families of more than half of the fast-food workers employed 40 or more hours per week are enrolled in public assistance programs.

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https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/fast-food-poverty-wages-the-public-cost-of-low-wage-jobs-in-the-fast-food-industry/#:~:text=Due%20to%20low%20earnings%2C%20fast,live%20in%20or%20near%20poverty.

So if the employer pays low wages, you all are fine paying taxes for welfare?

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At least you'd still have restaurants instead of forcing them out of business with this stupidity. Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be a career anyway.

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I know, but are docs, lawyers and accountants gonna take part time jobs to supplement their income? Who do you think is working these jobs? They may be H.S. dropouts or only have a GED.

I take issue with Walmart and McDonalds posting massive profits in part because they get cheap labor that has to be IS subsidized by taxpayers.

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No it doesn't...

And again...you're conflating 2 different issues.

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ok, I edited it. We could do away with food welfare, but that's not happening.

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Nix all entitlements. All.Of.Them

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In-n-Out in CA was already paying $22 per hour..

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In-n-Out can afford it in the long run... A small shop cannot.

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They won't be able to afford it when their employees get upset that they're now making close to minimum wage. Everyone will need a raise, thus starting the cycle over again.

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Obviously, this owner just doesn't want to run this business while it loses money...

What about the employees? Doesn't he have an obligation to keep the business open while it loses money?

Why is the owner so greedy as to actually wanting to have positive cash flow?

/libs

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I guess the owner did not get the Socialist memo that stated that businesses exist to employ and take care of people and not to make a profit.

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Gus Fring of Los Pollos Hermanos food chains was interviewed and is fine with the change. He said their profits have never been better. He said many of his employees are way above that rate now.

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So maybe this owner can buy out and reopen Fosters Freeze and show him how its "done".

Marxists at work doing satans work

Prices skyrocket at food places across the state.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/burger-king-in-n-out-other-chain-locations-california-raise-prices-minimum-wage-increase-report?dicbo=v2-QySHHzW

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itsyourboypookie said:

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You hate to see it.

They vote blue or red next election?

How many more small businesses throw in the towel?

On April 1st, California raised the minimum wages for fast food workers to $20/hour.

That same day, Fosters Freeze went out of business and laid off all 20 employees.

The owner says that he was crushed but is unable to sustain the wage hike as a small business owner.

Mass… pic.twitter.com/thJbuqLBfR

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) April 4, 2024

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I don't get it. If the $20/hr only applies to businesses with more than 60 locations, why does this affect a business with only 20 employees?

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It applies to all businesses in California, not just fast food and just those over 60 locations. It may not directly apply but a single location owner operated restaurant with table service will have to compete with places forced to raise their pay to $20. These laws are always supported by big business because it helps them by hurting the little guy. Someone mentioned Panera being exempt but that's naive on their part. They still have to compete for labor with businesses not exempt.

As someone else said the real minimum wage is $0 as a bunch of Californians are learning this week.

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Minimum wage here is 12.30 an hour.

Benny was out with friends to go bowling and they got dinner at Wendy's. After taxes, a baconator meal was almost 12 dollars.

He was not happy.

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Bowling for a family is like $60 $75 an hour in Texas. I can't imagine what it would be with a $12 minimum wage!

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Ramstein (my base) bowling alley $11 per person per hour. Including rental shoes.

Mondemonium said:

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Main Findings

• More than half (52 percent) of the families of front-line fast-food workers are enrolled in one or more public programs, compared to 25 percent of the workforce as a whole.
• The cost of public assistance to families of workers in the fast-food industry is nearly $7 billion per year.
• At an average of $3.9 billion per year, spending on Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) accounts for more than half of these costs.
• Due to low earnings, fast-food workers' families also receive an annual average of $1.04 billion in food stamp benefits and $1.91 billion in Earned Income Tax Credit payments.
• People working in fast-food jobs are more likely to live in or near poverty. One in five families with a member holding a fast-food job has an income below the poverty line, and 43 percent have an income two times the federal poverty level or less.
• Even full-time hours are not enough to compensate for low wages. The families of more than half of the fast-food workers employed 40 or more hours per week are enrolled in public assistance programs.

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https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/fast-food-poverty-wages-the-public-cost-of-low-wage-jobs-in-the-fast-food-industry/#:~:text=Due%20to%20low%20earnings%2C%20fast,live%20in%20or%20near%20poverty.

So if the employer pays low wages, you all are fine paying taxes for welfare?

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I am fine with the employer paying whatever he or she deems appropriate and let supply and demand and the market determine wages. I am fine with eliminating all welfare.