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The rest of us just called it puberty and dealt with it by falling back on social and family and institutional structures to guide us through it.

Now some of those are so warped and distorted by activism that they push and encourage amplification of any confusion or questions, presuming the norm isn't really the norm for good reason and that it doesn't best serve most kids in the long run.

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Puberty is not easy for anyone. Growth spurts, your body is changing, feel awkward.

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That's why we should just push drugs to stop it.

Wait... wrong answer.

You're 100% correct, and this study is correct, and like others have said it's backing up other studies and things what any sane person already knew. Puberty SUCKS mentally, and I don't know anyone that looks back and thinks, "Boy I'd love to go through puberty again!"

The saddest part is the junk "science" that was pushed that fear mongered parents into belief that their kid would commit suicide if immediate chemical intervention wasn't begun; puberty blockers, followed by cross-sex hormones, followed by surgeries (a lot of double mastectomies' for young ladies, but plenty of testicals that have ben chemically killed as well or left childlike by drugs).

Those psychologists and their ilk should be personally sued under the bridge for their sins.

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Its good to have the study to back it up but anyone who has spent time around kids and teens growing up knows this to be true. They go through phases, seek attention, create drama, go with the flavor of the month, etc in any way possible.

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Back in the day we got tattoos or piercings, went goth, grew long hair, listened to heavy metal etc. and most of us grew out of it.

The kids (and predatory doctors and insane mothers) these days took it to a whole other level......

There is going to be a statistical spike in suicides and matricide in a pretty soon.

• Matricide the act of killing one's mother (Latin: mater "mother").

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Yes, here's an example.

Shiloh Jolie-Pitt went through a very prolonged 'tomboy' phase, over a decade, dressed as a boy, even wanted to be called a boys name and now she's a beautiful feminine girl who's almost 20. Say what you will about Angelina and Brad, they let her figure it out.

Unlike Charlize Theon who had one of her boys in skirts at three and claims he's trans.

Imagine how messed up biologically and mentally Shiloh would be if they'd given her puberty blockers or mutilated her body.

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And where did Shiloh get those ideas that she is a boy and/or a girl? From her parents and/or their crazy Hollywood friend circle where everyone is a freak. If the kid was born to any common people, she would never have gone through this phase.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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Many studies also conclude that, for those who decide to transition, there is a <1% regret rate. This is a lower percentage than any other cosmetic surgery. This number suggest that most kids who grew out of their dysphoria didn't attempt to transition.

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I suspect you would gladly mutilate your child leading to severe mental illness later on. Gotta score those victim points.

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Yes, here's an example.

Shiloh Jolie-Pitt went through a very prolonged 'tomboy' phase, over a decade, dressed as a boy, even wanted to be called a boys name and now she's a beautiful feminine girl who's almost 20. Say what you will about Angelina and Brad, they let her figure it out.

Unlike Charlize Theon who had one of her boys in skirts at three and claims he's trans.

Imagine how messed up biologically and mentally Shiloh would be if they'd given her puberty blockers or mutilated her body.

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And where did Shiloh get those ideas that she is a boy and/or a girl? From her parents and/or their crazy Hollywood friend circle where everyone is a freak. If the kid was born to any common people, she would never have gone through this phase.

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Plenty of girls go through a long tomboy stage. Hell, some of them go back into it after they grow up, but don't think they are a dude. That isn't abnormal at all.

What is abnormal is crazy AF parents abusing their kids to push their personal social agendas to try to compensate for whatever shortcomings are in their lives and to try to somehow right any perceived wrongs they experienced growing up.

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Many studies also conclude that, for those who decide to transition, there is a <1% regret rate. This is a lower percentage than any other cosmetic surgery. This number suggest that most kids who grew out of their dysphoria didn't attempt to transition.

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And I bet if you analyzed and dissected those "studies", you'd find fault after fault after fault in them.

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Many studies also conclude that, for those who decide to transition, there is a <1% regret rate. This is a lower percentage than any other cosmetic surgery. This number suggest that most kids who grew out of their dysphoria didn't attempt to transition.

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And I bet if you analyzed and dissected those "studies", you'd find fault after fault after fault in them.

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Those studies don't address kids.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-outcomes/

Tldr summary- science* doesn't hardly know anything about youth feelings of regret.

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In the world of gender-affirming care, as well as in the broader transgender community, few words cause more discomfort and outright anger than "detransition" and "regret." That's particularly true among medical practitioners in the United States and other countries who provide treatment to rising numbers of minors seeking to transition.

They insist, as MacKinnon once did, that detransitioning is too rare to warrant much attention, citing their own experiences with patients and extant research to support their view.

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But as Reuters found, hard evidence on long-term outcomes for the rising numbers of people who received gender treatment as minors is very weak.

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She said the vitriol he has encountered illustrates one reason so few clinicians and researchers are willing to broach the subject.

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No large-scale studies have tracked people who received gender care as adolescents to determine how many remained satisfied with their treatment as they aged and how many eventually regretted transitioning. The studies that have been done have yielded a wide range of findings, and even the most rigorous of them have severe limitations. Some focus on people who began treatment as adults, not adolescents. Some follow patients for only a short period of time, while others lose track of a significant number of patients.

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Gender-care professionals and transgender-rights advocates hailed the 98% figure as evidence that regret is rare. However, the authors cautioned that the result may not be replicated elsewhere because the adolescents studied had undergone comprehensive assessments, lasting a year on average, before being recommended for treatment. This slower, methodical approach is uncommon at many U.S. gender clinics, where patient evaluations are typically done much faster and any delay in treatment, or "gatekeeping," is often believed to put youth at risk of self-harm because of their distress from gender dysphoria.

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That has left a small assortment of studies to guide clinicians in this emerging field of medicine. The results of these studies suggest a wide range of possibilities for rates of detransitioning, from less than 1% to 25%. The research provides even less certainty about the incidence of regret among patients who received medical treatment as minors. And the studies have serious drawbacks.

Two of the largest ones, which found that 2% or less of people who transitioned experienced regret, focused on Europeans who primarily initiated treatment as adults. Experts caution that the results, because of the differences in maturity and life experiences between adults and adolescents, may have limited relevance as an indicator of outcomes for minors.

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"no ****, Sherlock"

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We used to call them tom-boys when we were 10-13. We called the beauty queens when we were 18+

I think the left introduced a non-issue to suit their narrative.

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Yes, here's an example.

Shiloh Jolie-Pitt went through a very prolonged 'tomboy' phase, over a decade, dressed as a boy, even wanted to be called a boys name and now she's a beautiful feminine girl who's almost 20. Say what you will about Angelina and Brad, they let her figure it out.

Unlike Charlize Theon who had one of her boys in skirts at three and claims he's trans.

Imagine how messed up biologically and mentally Shiloh would be if they'd given her puberty blockers or mutilated her body.

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And where did Shiloh get those ideas that she is a boy and/or a girl? From her parents and/or their crazy Hollywood friend circle where everyone is a freak. If the kid was born to any common people, she would never have gone through this phase.

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None of their other kids did, I think she just was a tomboy and took it to an extreme. The point was she was allowed to be a tomboy with no interference. Then she grew out of it.

You can't change your chromosomes. No matter how much you want to, you can't become a member of the opposite sex just through wishful thinking. Even surgery is only superficial. A "transwoman" can never get pregnant..

If you feel that you were born as the "wrong" sex, you just have to live with it, the same as if you were born into the "wrong" generation or the "wrong" ethnicity.

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Puberty is not easy for anyone. Growth spurts, your body is changing, feel awkward.

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A five year long boner...

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Puberty is not easy for anyone. Growth spurts, your body is changing, feel awkward.

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A five year long boner...

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You should have called your doctor at least 10,957 times.

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You should have called your doctor at least 10,957 times

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Is that what the kids call it this these days? According to my quick math, I called my Dr 7,301 times (365x4x5+1 (leap year))

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You should have called your doctor at least 10,957 times

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Is that what the kids call it this these days? According to my quick math, I called my Dr 7,301 times (365x4x5+1 (leap year))

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365.25x5x24/4=10,957.5

365.25 days per year
5 years
24 hours per day
1 "call" per 4 hours

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The children are not gender confused, their mother is the problem, I would bet in probably 95% of the cases.

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Many studies also conclude that, for those who decide to transition, there is a <1% regret rate. This is a lower percentage than any other cosmetic surgery. This number suggest that most kids who grew out of their dysphoria didn't attempt to transition.

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Puberty is not easy for anyone. Growth spurts, your body is changing, feel awkward.

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A five year long boner...

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LOL.

i got my first period on Christmas day when I was still eleven...sitting on a white linoleum floor opening presents...in front of family and my older sister's boyfriend. Talk about embarassing. Mom whisked me into her bathroom and slapped a Kotex on me, took my pants to wash immediately.

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19 percent who reported unhappiness as kids no longer expressed it as adults

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I'm sure I must be missing something, but this doesn't play nice with the rest of the OP. Someone help me out?

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Happiness is not the same thing as gender confused. HTH.

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The previous bullet point is 11% expressed unhappiness with their gender as kids. Sure, unhappiness is not the same as confused, but the second bullet directly references the first. That means 81% were still unhappy with their gender. Hopefully this explains why I'm confused by this bullet point in context of the rest of the OP.

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The fact that you WANT this study to be false says sooooooo much about you. Good Lord.

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19 percent who reported unhappiness as kids no longer expressed it as adults

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I'm sure I must be missing something, but this doesn't play nice with the rest of the OP. Someone help me out?

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Happiness is not the same thing as gender confused. HTH.

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The previous bullet point is 11% expressed unhappiness with their gender as kids. Sure, unhappiness is not the same as confused, but the second bullet directly references the first. That means 81% were still unhappy with their gender. Hopefully this explains why I'm confused by this bullet point in context of the rest of the OP.

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The fact that you WANT this study to be false says sooooooo much about you. Good Lord.

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Excuse me. I don't WANT this study to be false. The bullet point was misleading and I was confused how they could claim the results when the bullets suggested only 19% of the original 11% of children changed their opinion. Get off your high horse. The fact that you're assuming intentions I never once even implied says soooooo much about you and how you treat your fellow man.

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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Many studies also conclude that, for those who decide to transition, there is a <1% regret rate. This is a lower percentage than any other cosmetic surgery. This number suggest that most kids who grew out of their dysphoria didn't attempt to transition.

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I don't believe you, but for argument sake:

What percent of those 99% satisfied customers kill themselves afterwards?

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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Many studies also conclude that, for those who decide to transition, there is a <1% regret rate. This is a lower percentage than any other cosmetic surgery. This number suggest that most kids who grew out of their dysphoria didn't attempt to transition.

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I don't believe you, but for argument sake:

What percent of those 99% satisfied customers kill themselves afterwards?

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You've got the timeline mixed up. See ag with kids picture above.

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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Many studies also conclude that, for those who decide to transition, there is a <1% regret rate. This is a lower percentage than any other cosmetic surgery. This number suggest that most kids who grew out of their dysphoria didn't attempt to transition.

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I don't believe you, but for argument sake:

What percent of those 99% satisfied customers kill themselves afterwards?

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You've got the timeline mixed up. See ag with kids picture above.

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I got it, I'm saying they are lying. The suicide rate of those who "transition" is still WAY higher than the normal population.

You can lie about being "satisfied" (subjective metric), but when you kill yourself (objective metric), you kinda prove you were not satisfied.

Plus these studies are not long term... It's not an honest argument, even if you grant the survivorship bias.

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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Many studies also conclude that, for those who decide to transition, there is a <1% regret rate. This is a lower percentage than any other cosmetic surgery. This number suggest that most kids who grew out of their dysphoria didn't attempt to transition.

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I don't believe you, but for argument sake:

What percent of those 99% satisfied customers kill themselves afterwards?

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You've got the timeline mixed up. See ag with kids picture above.

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I got it, I'm saying they are lying. The suicide rate of those who "transition" is still WAY higher than the normal population.

You can lie about being "satisfied" (subjective metric), but when you kill yourself (objective metric), you kinda prove you were not satisfied.

Plus these studies are not long term... It's not an honest argument, even if you grant the survivorship bias.

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They say 1% aren't satisfied because the unhappy ones are no longer able to be asked. Survivorship bias.

I literally said that.

I'm saying their logic is flawed in multiple ways. I said I don't believe it, and there is proof. We are saying the same thing. I don't see how you're not getting my point. I 100% understand survivor bias.

We have to reject the number is really 99%. I get it, you can poll the 99%, and again, I get it they are "satisfied" until they are not. Then they kill themselves.

My point is to point out the suicide rate of those who transition is proof that the 99% are not really satisfied. You can lie about being "satisfied" (subjective metric), but when you kill yourself (objective metric), you kinda prove you were not satisfied.

My GF's daughter was "gay" and hanging out with a trans male (biological female) just 4 short years ago.

She has had a normal BF now for 2 years and is moving up to Connecticut to be close to him. Getting serious. She is focused in and has a good job with a bank.

I think it was just the typical teenage "do whatever pisses your parents off" thing.

I've had this conversation with my 14-year-old daughter since she was around 11 or 12. We talk about how, during puberty, everyone feels awkward, like they don't fit in, and as if everyone else their age has somehow figured it out. They feel weird and desperately want to feel like the fit in and like the are normal, all while also wanting to feel special and exceptional. It's a very confusing time.

I actually used Taylor Swift to help hammer home the concept by pointing out the lyrics in Antihero "Sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby and I'm a monster on a hill." I told her that's how EVERYONE feels, especially as a teen. They feel ugly, smelly, awkward, and unattractive while everyone else is able to walk around with confidence feeling cute. The LGBTQIA+ community preys on this feeling like nobody's business. They will tell you you don't fit in because you are trying to be what society says you are instead of figuring it out for yourself. You see a person of the same sex and think that she is cute and confident. You wish you could be more like her. The alphabet mafia tells you that it is because you are sexually attracted to her and are actually part of the LGBTQIA+ community. And the LOVE you for it. They accept you. You are one of them and 100% fit in and belong. Then, instead of taking the time to really learn who you are, which is developmentally appropriate at this stage in life, you listen to the alphabet mafia tell you who you are and praise you unconditionally for it. They heap more praise on you for the more "different" you can possibly be. Then, you hit your twenties and are completely screwed up because your development was stunted by supposedly "well-intended" people who were really vicious predators the entire time latching onto you at a time when you were most vulnerable.

The next 15-20 years are going to be a complete mental health disaster and we need people training to be mental health counselors who aren't left-leaning wackadoodles who will reaffirm this crap that children can and should choose their gender.

2.8 million Americans identify as transgender—25% under 17https://t.co/ilo7OstDPO

— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) August 24, 2025

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Many studies also conclude that, for those who decide to transition, there is a <1% regret rate. This is a lower percentage than any other cosmetic surgery. This number suggest that most kids who grew out of their dysphoria didn't attempt to transition.

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I call complete BS. Simply not true. Cite them, and show their methodology. And BTW, this isn't cosmetic surgery.

Kids are kids. Don't treat them like adults.

Problem with the left.

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My GF's daughter was "gay" and hanging out with a trans male (biological female) just 4 short years ago.

She has had a normal BF now for 2 years and is moving up to Connecticut to be close to him. Getting serious. She is focused in and has a good job with a bank.

I think it was just the typical teenage "do whatever pisses your parents off" thing.

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Human brains are not fully developed during teenage and until about 21. One should not take what they say seriously at this age as they don't think like adults.

She's still there with her BF and they are probably going to get married.

I definitely think for most teenagers, this is just a phase like dressing goth, etc...

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She's still there with her BF and they are probably going to get married.

I definitely think for most teenagers, this is just a phase like dressing goth, etc...

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And "furries"!

My daughter in HS says there are some "furries" in her school.
I asked her wth were furries. She explained, but I had to look it up.