Ag_B_10 said:

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If the demoncrats cheat enough to win in November and are allowed to get away with it, what do you believe will happen to our country?
Do you believe we'll be okay?
Do you believe we'll basically become (more) a third world nation?
Do you believe we'll become a socialist, marxist, or communist nation?
Do you believe……?

I personally think we'll be screwed with a financial collapse.

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We ceased to have a "country" on 11/3/2020.

It takes money to win a Presidential campaign. Lots and lots and lots of money.

The Democrats appear to be raising far more money and far easier than the Republicans. The Democrats are using that money to open campaign offices all over the place.

While the Republicans are pushing to try to keep up with the Democrats, where is the money going? Why should anyone donate money to the Trump campaign when it is likely to be used more for Trump to pay his legal fees than to run a campaign?

If Trump wants to win the election, perhaps he should pay his own legal fees and household expenses (including Melania's hair stylist) and use the campaign money entirely for the campaign. If he expects to win, shouldn't they be working hard to set up campaign offices in every state he needs to compete in?

The problem is that Trump is just a loser and has never been anything but a loser. He spends his effort to try to appear to be winning rather than actually winning. Trump is nothing but superficial.

Danny Vermin said:

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I'm sorry but Trump was ahead in all 5 swing states by large margins and they stopped counting til the next day. They cheated and you know they did without question.

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There was a mathematician from Yale, I think , who said after the election that it was a statistical impossibility (not improbability)for it to have gone the way it did, given the lead Trump had. Math doesn't lie, but democrats sure as hell do.

jejdag said:

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Danny Vermin said:

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I'm sorry but Trump was ahead in all 5 swing states by large margins and they stopped counting til the next day. They cheated and you know they did without question.

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There was a mathematician from Yale, I think , who said after the election that it was a statistical impossibility (not improbability)for it to have gone the way it did, given the lead Trump had. Math doesn't lie, but democrats sure as hell do.

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Great, then our side has had a four year opportunity to slam dunk this PR layup but all we got was a fake Kraken and Rudy's face-melt fiasco. It's beyond exhausting to hear how obvious the cheating was when NO ONE has been able to catch them at it. But yeah I know, everyone, including our own party, was in on the conspiracy..

If the Dems can cheat without limits and every institution is protecting them then what the hell are you all trying to save at this point anyway?

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Casual Cynic said:

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Run away inflation and one party rule, good times.

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We are certainly seeing inflation and I truly hate inflation, but this is hardly runaway inflation.

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How about if we went back to the old way of calculating inflation? Then it's pretty bad, although not Weimar Republic or Zimbabwe bad.

"Somehow"? Trump is an unpopular candidate going up against an unpopular incumbent. At best it's a crapshoot for Trump right now, and the more exposure he gets the less likeable he becomes.

The Biden campaign has shown they can hide Biden to minimize his negatives. They've got 5 years of practice at it. Trump has shown he can't help but make himself the center of attention, even if it's negative attention.

It's pure partisan delusion to start with a premise that the only way Trump loses is by shenanigans. He's an objectively bad candidate who would have very little chance of winning if he was going up against anyone other than Biden.

It's a minor miracle Trump has any shot at all considering all of his negatives.

WHOOP!'91 said:

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eric76 said:

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Casual Cynic said:

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Run away inflation and one party rule, good times.

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We are certainly seeing inflation and I truly hate inflation, but this is hardly runaway inflation.

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How about if we went back to the old way of calculating inflation? Then it's pretty bad, although not Weimar Republic or Zimbabwe bad.

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Yeah. From what I've read and been told, the government often changes the definitions to make inflation appear less than what it is. Often, I think, it is in the makeup of the theoretical basket of consumer items.

There is (or used to be) some kind of shadow economics web site that would continue to calculate inflation using the same basket of items to try to get inflation numbers that are more reliable. I don't remember the domain name of the web site, though.

DTP02 said:

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"Somehow"? Trump is an unpopular candidate going up against an unpopular incumbent. At best it's a crapshoot for Trump right now, and the more exposure he gets the less likeable he becomes.

The Biden campaign has shown they can hide Biden to minimize his negatives. They've got 5 years of practice at it. Trump has shown he can't help but make himself the center of attention, even if it's negative attention.

It's pure partisan delusion to start with a premise that the only way Trump loses is by shenanigans. He's an objectively bad candidate who would have very little chance of winning if he was going up against anyone other than Biden.

It's a minor miracle Trump has any shot at all considering all of his negatives.

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Absolute truth right here. It amazes me the number of people who think the only way Trump can lose is due to Dems cheating.

I'd rather see him in office than Biden for sure, but he's an awful candidate. Hopefully he fires Biden.

Casual Cynic said:

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Run away inflation and one party rule, good times.

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We will have the senate, only thing they can do is executive orders

Trump won't lose and yes the economy will likely take a hit while hes in office, it is crumbling at the seams and it is on life support. Trump will have a lot of flack when that happens. But hopefully it is early (if it happens) and by the end of his term is will be close to 2018 levels.

We desperately need DeSantis or another conservative to follow Trump in office, we can get a lot done in 12 years

Let Trump stop the bleeding with Executive orders and Judge appointing. Get some good policy rolling and have DeSantis put them in place.

That would save this country for at least a little while. And is the best case I can come up with on our future. I hope people wake up and we can overcome the cheats

Trump could probably win this thing easily, even with substantial cheating by the dems, if he could just keep his big fat mouth shut and act Presidential for once in his life.

The smart money bet is that he can't.

The best hope for Republicans is to just try and i) take the Senate, ii) keep the house, and iii) replace feckless leadership in both.

Ag_B_10 said:

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If the demoncrats cheat enough to win in November and are allowed to get away with it, what do you believe will happen to our country?
Do you believe we'll be okay?
Do you believe we'll basically become (more) a third world nation?
Do you believe we'll become a socialist, marxist, or communist nation?
Do you believe……?

I personally think we'll be screwed with a financial collapse.

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Isn't this same question asked once every week? Can we just have an ongoing thread?

Biden winning doesn't make those things happen in a vacuum. And Trump winning doesn't prevent those things....without making sure we control the House and Senate.

One thing is for sure, we won't be a full on marxist/communist nation. That's just political fear fodder. People act like we haven't lived through Dem presidents before. Doesn't mean it was great but still better than any other nation.

Now socially...I think we'll be worse off for sure. I also hope Trump doesn't take states rights away on abortion.

As many have said, this election is an unpopularity contest.

A republican presidency (whoever that is) is ideal but definitely doesn't guarantee the economy will be sunshine and lollipops

2023NCAggies said:

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Casual Cynic said:

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Run away inflation and one party rule, good times.

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We will have the senate, only thing they can do is executive orders

Trump won't lose and yes the economy will likely take a hit while hes in office, it is crumbling at the seams and it is on life support. Trump will have a lot of flack when that happens. But hopefully it is early (if it happens) and by the end of his term is will be close to 2018 levels.

We desperately need DeSantis or another conservative to follow Trump in office, we can get a lot done in 12 years

Let Trump stop the bleeding with Executive orders and Judge appointing. Get some good policy rolling and have DeSantis put them in place.

That would save this country for at least a little while. And is the best case I can come up with on our future. I hope people wake up and we can overcome the cheats

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I'm confused. You say "Trump won't lose" then say "I hope people wake up and we can overcome the cheats."

Hedge your bets much?

I'm hoping against...chaos in the streets, totally absent of any law and order. It won't end like so many (Hollywood aficionados) errantly think

Old McDonald said:

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the fact that MAGA is already whining about trump losing because of "cheating" reveals how little confidence they have in him actually winning

they'd rather be aggrieved losers with Trump than winners with anyone else

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That is because the same crooked state legislatures haven't implemented corrective actions to prevent illegitimate voting or tabulation meddling.

northeastag said:

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Trump could probably win this thing easily, even with substantial cheating by the dems, if he could just keep his big fat mouth shut and act Presidential for once in his life.

The smart money bet is that he can't.

The best hope for Republicans is to just try and i) take the Senate, ii) keep the house, and iii) replace feckless leadership in both.

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Trump would be in his best position if he had stepped down gracefully after his loss and dedicated himself to being an honored former statesman and then concentrated on being a king maker instead of trying to be a king.

But Trump insisted on being his usual despicable self. I really doubt that he was ever smart enough to change.

Trump is likely to be spending so much of his time trying to boost his own wealth and his own ego that he won't be doing all that much actual campaigning.

Whatever campaigning he does will need to be done in the morning or early afternoon so that the public doesn't see his sundowning.

And he is going to be preoccupied with the trials and with his TruthSocial (he should have called it TrumpSocial) going down the tube. I suspect that TruthSocial gets about twice as many visits a month as TexAgs. How many billions does anyone think that TexAgs is worth? And TexAgs presumably turns a profit, unlike TruthSocial. I don't see how he TruthSocial valuations can possibly hold up.

agwrestler said:

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Old McDonald said:

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the fact that MAGA is already whining about trump losing because of "cheating" reveals how little confidence they have in him actually winning

they'd rather be aggrieved losers with Trump than winners with anyone else

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That is because the same crooked state legislatures haven't implemented corrective actions to prevent illegitimate voting or tabulation meddling.

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Nobody is pushing for actual election reform that can accomplish much. All anyone seems to want to do is to provide that all it takes is a few minor band aids.

It is more of a failure of imagination about what can be done than it is about working hard to actually do something.

BluHorseShu said:

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Ag_B_10 said:

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If the demoncrats cheat enough to win in November and are allowed to get away with it, what do you believe will happen to our country?
Do you believe we'll be okay?
Do you believe we'll basically become (more) a third world nation?
Do you believe we'll become a socialist, marxist, or communist nation?
Do you believe……?

I personally think we'll be screwed with a financial collapse.

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Isn't this same question asked once every week? Can we just have an ongoing thread?

Biden winning doesn't make those things happen in a vacuum. And Trump winning doesn't prevent those things....without making sure we control the House and Senate.

One thing is for sure, we won't be a full on marxist/communist nation. That's just political fear fodder. People act like we haven't lived through Dem presidents before. Doesn't mean it was great but still better than any other nation.

Now socially...I think we'll be worse off for sure. I also hope Trump doesn't take states rights away on abortion.

As many have said, this election is an unpopularity contest.

A republican presidency (whoever that is) is ideal but definitely doesn't guarantee the economy will be sunshine and lollipops

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How could "Trump take STATE'S rights away on abortion"? Stop regurgitating every alarmist imaginary scenario Maddow gaslights with.

TA-OP said:

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Ag_B_10 said:

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If the demoncrats cheat enough to win in November and are allowed to get away with it

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The whole topic is predicated on Democrats cheating to win. I know I'll draw heat from here, but it is possible that they just win outright. That's the last I'll comment on this post so that it doesn't derail from your discussion.

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"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
-John Adams

While I certainly believe there is significant cheating in elections to swing the outcome one way out another, I also think the indirect cheating is done by the abuse of our system by unethical leaders.

Voters are constantly bribed by their leaders for future votes, at the expense of our culture and waning sense of personal responsibility.

We're ****ed.

End of story.

To be honest it doesn't really matter who wins. Unless there are massive spending cuts to social programs we will be using our entire budget to pay for just the interest on debt in 10 to 15 years. The impact of that will be huge on the world economy.

He's going to lose. Not sure why you said if.

If the Democrats win…

….i will wait for the gun grab.

….I will wait for more Taxes to be imposed on the middle class

….I will wait for China/Russia/Iran to make a move.

….I will wait for a EMP attack

.…I will watch a bunch of folks to die in 30 days after a EMP.

….It will be all avoidable.

Looking forward to 2028 when both parties have to run new horses. Vs this tired and old, emphasis on 'old', menu we have to choose from in 2024. Whoever wins this one will be a 'lame duck' by 2026. this country needs some fresh faces of leadership to finally turn to another page.

For me, Southeast Asia or a few SA countries. It all depends on your situation, what you want to trade off and lifestyle.

Biden wins and it will be more of the same...methodical decline into socialism...sped up if dems get House and Senate as well. Conservatives will just put their heads down and do the best they can for their families

Trump wins...short term (6+ months) chaos. Leftists will riot, left politicians will do whatever they can to impede Trump policies. Long term (12-18 months)....better policies and more consumer/business optimism.

I vividly remember the threads making fun of Hillary voters for saying the country was ruined in 2016, and that they were moving away. But that was AFTER the election.

Pumpkinhead said:

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Looking forward to 2028 when both parties have to run new horses. Vs this tired and old, emphasis on 'old', menu we have to choose from in 2024. Whoever wins this one will be a 'lame duck' by 2026. this country needs some fresh faces of leadership to finally turn to another page.

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Don't worry. 2028 will be Bernie vs Turtle.

Ag_B_10 said:

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If the demoncrats cheat enough to win in November and are allowed to get away with it, what do you believe will happen to our country?
Do you believe we'll be okay?
Do you believe we'll basically become (more) a third world nation?
Do you believe we'll become a socialist, marxist, or communist nation?
Do you believe……?

I personally think we'll be screwed with a financial collapse.

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If they cheat? If there is anybody capable of snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory, it's Trump and his mouth. Stand by……

Trump CAN win because he is running against a very unpopular incumbent, Biden.

But Trump is very unpopular as well. Anyone who thinks or says Trump can only lose if the dems cheat is just nuts. Trump is disliked enough to lose on his own.

I think trump wins in a close race, but wouldn't be suprised if he lost in a close race, either.

I think Trump can win, but it is just a bandaid on a GSW. Out country is too stupid to elect the surgeon to fix this country, DeSantis.

I have said this for 4-5 years

With Joe Biden as their candidate,

if the Republicans can't beat the Democratic Party in a presidential election in 2024

then afterwards, with the changing demographics, including illegal immigrants / "newcomers" flooding the country,

I will not see a Republican president again in my lifetime (5-6 more elections).

FL_Ag1998 said:

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2023NCAggies said:

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Casual Cynic said:

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Run away inflation and one party rule, good times.

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We will have the senate, only thing they can do is executive orders

Trump won't lose and yes the economy will likely take a hit while hes in office, it is crumbling at the seams and it is on life support. Trump will have a lot of flack when that happens. But hopefully it is early (if it happens) and by the end of his term is will be close to 2018 levels.

We desperately need DeSantis or another conservative to follow Trump in office, we can get a lot done in 12 years

Let Trump stop the bleeding with Executive orders and Judge appointing. Get some good policy rolling and have DeSantis put them in place.

That would save this country for at least a little while. And is the best case I can come up with on our future. I hope people wake up and we can overcome the cheats

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I'm confused. You say "Trump won't lose" then say "I hope people wake up and we can overcome the cheats."

Hedge your bets much?

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I'm bipolar, depression, anxiety, addict and have to put "some college" on my insurance application's. I have stomach ulcers and am skinny fat. New term I learned from synergenx when they told me I was considered obese at 175 lbs

I should have said "I think strongly"

Sorry about that

jja79 said:

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He's going to lose. Not sure why you said if.

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You say that in 2016?