redcrayon said:

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No. People will just get fat again after they stop the injections.

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That would be my question. What happens when the injections stop? Will people just put weight back on?

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annie88 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Politics related because Medicare won't.

GLP-1 injections are massively popular. And it will end up becoming 30-40% of the RX plan cost. Many employers are dropping the coverage. What say you?

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Ozempic was never meant to be a weight loss drug. It was supposed to be for diabetics and high A1c. It suppressed appetite, so people started using it, but it wasn't the purpose of the drug and it shouldn't be. People have made it into a designer drug, when it should only be for those with high blood sugar.

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Wegovy has weight loss indication.

But that's irrelevant. Use of a drug outside of indication is a common practice and not against the law.

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I didn't say it was against the law I'm saying it's being overused, and for those that shouldn't qualify for getting the drug. That's why the burden is getting higher.

If only the people that really should have it were using it, wouldn't be as big of a hot button, topic or issue. Ozempic says you may lose weight as well, but again, it was never designed for that. But if it starts working for another purpose, I guess they can broaden it.

Many drugs say there might be weight gain or weight loss with them. It doesn't make them a weight drugs.

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Not saying you're wrong.

Ozempic and Wegovy share a same ingredient, semaglutide. Technically they're the same drug. But once Novo Nordisk realized the weight loss potential, they went ahead and filed for weight loss indication and received approval.

So if obesity is considered as a disease (I personally don't, it's a human physiology to store fat when food is abundant - part of evolution), then wegovy treatment is legitimate per se.

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redcrayon said:

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No. People will just get fat again after they stop the injections.

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That would be my question. What happens when the injections stop? Will people just put weight back on?

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Yes, in addition to hitting a plateau even with continued use.

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So if obesity is considered as a disease (I personally don't, it's a human physiology to store fat when food is abundant - part of evolution), then wegovy treatment is legitimate per se.

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This right here!

The only reason obesity is considered a disease is to promote social acceptance. Like this post stated, the accumulation of fat leading to obesity is because the individual is consuming more calories than their metabolism is using as energy. It's not because you caught a virus or had a genetic predisposition or whatever other disease process you might consider. Humans evolved in an environment of famine. High calorie foods taste good so we would know what we needed to eat to lessen our chances of starvation. Now that our food supply is assured and we actually have way more food than we need, that high calorie food still tastes good so we still eat it. And we eat it in ever-increasing quantity, while we exercise in ever decreasing amounts.

It's really no different than a checking account. Spend more than you deposit and your balance will go down. Save more than you spend and your balance will go up. It's just that simple.


TLDR - obesity is NOT a disease

Yeah, that's the phase we don't see hitting the masses just yet, and it will be interesting to see once we do. Right now it's the honeymoon period where a lot of fatties have lost weight and it's convinced their fatty friends to get on it too. But once the rebound weight starts hitting in large numbers, we'll see where things go

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So if obesity is considered as a disease (I personally don't, it's a human physiology to store fat when food is abundant - part of evolution), then wegovy treatment is legitimate per se.

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It's really no different than a checking account. Spend more than you deposit and your balance will go down. Save more than you spend and your balance will go up. It's just that simple.


TLDR - obesity is NOT a disease

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Doc, this is one of the best ****ing analogy I've seen. Bravo.

A business having non fat employees would likely outweigh the cost. From a standpoint of purely optimizing the business, you will be in a much better position not having obese employees. Whether it be through diet/exercise or pharmaceuticals.

Nm

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A business having non fat employees would likely outweigh the cost. From a standpoint of purely optimizing the business, you will be in a much better position not having obese employees. Whether it be through diet/exercise or pharmaceuticals.

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Better living through chemistry...

gbaby23 said:

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A business having non fat employees would likely outweigh the cost. From a standpoint of purely optimizing the business, you will be in a much better position not having obese employees. Whether it be through diet/exercise or pharmaceuticals.

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Sounds like you're advocating to not hire fat people.

Well, obesity is not a protected class, I don't think.

So can we reject employment if an applicant is fat? We can add "ugly" to this list also.

Need HR folks to chime in here.