Advil tackles "pain inequity"

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Esteban du Plantier
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Uhhhhh. Advil is over the counter.

How can there be bias when there is no barrier?

Unless it's like 'poor black folks can't afford name brand OTC medication, and any difference means it's racist'.
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Even if there are disparities, this really smacks of companies pushing their own product. Like Purdue Pharma inventing the pain chart in the first place.
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Yesterday said:

"Included among the participants was Dr. Uch Blackstock, a physician and expert on racial bias in healthcare. According to her, physicians believe that Black people are different from other people"

Of course you think that. Otherwise your entire profession would be in jeopardy. For ****s sake how do these people get paid to put out BS like this? Has anyone ever known a doc to think people with black skin are in fact different human beings?
Classic case of projectionism.
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Rapier108 said:

techno-ag said:

Rapier108 said:

And yet Advil is over the counter and a black person can buy it as easily as a white person, all without a doctor's approval or prescription.

Some idiot in the marketing department thought this was a good idea, but doesn't realize it simply turns off some of their customers who can always buy the same product from a different company.
Yeah just buy generic ibuprofen. It's probably all made in China anyway.
Advil isn't, and I won't by any medication made in China.

Best to stick to medications made in the US, Canada, the UK, the EU, Switzerland, Israel, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand.



HEB Advil, made in India



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That's what I use. Hispanic Employment Bureau FTMFW!

Also, ibuprofen isn't an analgesic, it is an NSAID, so "pain inequity" makes even less sense since it does nothing for pain unless said pain is due to inflammation.
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This feels like the "News" stations only allow black reporters to cover stories with black people in them. Now only black doctors can treat black people? We are creating segregation again, just like the D party loves to do and makes the D members feel comfortable again.
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I work closely with dozens of Pain Management doctors and thousands of pain patients. Black patients are treated just the same way as everybody else. This is disgusting.
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BigRobSA said:

That's what I use. Hispanic Employment Bureau FTMFW!

Also, ibuprofen isn't an analgesic, it is an NSAID, so "pain inequity" makes even less sense since it does nothing for pain unless said pain is due to inflammation.



I am not a medical professional, but I think most pain is due to inflammation.
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We do a monthly journal club. In every journal, there is at least one article about how to treat this race or that race. LGBT or not LGBT. Etc.

I get incensed that these elitist a holes think I treat anybody any different based on any of these things. Seriously, who do these people think they are?

The other docs are amused by my rants.

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Why buy Advil when the generic store brand has the exact same crap in it and is much cheaper? Maybe because black folk don't buy the more expensive product and Advil has chosen to guilt them into it?
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That's why you're such a racist. You treat everyone equally.
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Last I checked, people of any color can buy Advil.

Always pushing the racism bull*****

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dermdoc said:

We do a monthly journal club. In every journal, there is at least one article about how to treat this race or that race. LGBT or not LGBT. Etc.

I get incensed that these elitist a holes think I treat anybody any different based on any of these things. Seriously, who do these people think they are?

The other docs are amused by my rants.


Sadly, following Covid, I no longer trust many in the medical field. And why should I? They peddled the lies of the Biden Administration and deserve the scorn they've earned.

ETA: Not angry with you, Derm. Nothing but respect for you.
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annie88 said:

Last I checked, people of any color can buy Advil.

Always pushing the racism bull*****


Pandering horse **** from an overpriced product.
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BigRobSA said:

That's what I use. Hispanic Employment Bureau FTMFW!

Also, ibuprofen isn't an analgesic, it is an NSAID, so "pain inequity" makes even less sense since it does nothing for pain unless said pain is due to inflammation.
I'm sorry Rob, I apologize for all us crackers for preventing you and others from getting any pain relief.

Let me know if you need me to get you some Advil, Tylenol, Aleve, Ben Gay, you name it..

I just got my white privilege card renewed.
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He's Mexican so he just puts Vapo-rub on the bottom of his feet!
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Rapier108 said:

And yet Advil is over the counter and a black person can buy it as easily as a white person, all without a doctor's approval or prescription.

Some idiot in the marketing department thought this was a good idea, but doesn't realize it simply turns off some of their customers who can always buy the same product from a different company.


What i don't understand is why someone would buy advil when the exact same thing is available generic for half the price. A fool and his money.
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Sea Speed said:

Rapier108 said:

And yet Advil is over the counter and a black person can buy it as easily as a white person, all without a doctor's approval or prescription.

Some idiot in the marketing department thought this was a good idea, but doesn't realize it simply turns off some of their customers who can always buy the same product from a different company.


What i don't understand is why someone would buy advil when the exact same thing is available generic for half the price. A fool and his money.
I don't understand why anyone would take poison like Advil over a gummy or baby hit or two of weed.
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Quote:

I don't understand why anyone would take poison like Advil over a gummy or baby hit or two of weed.
Random drug tests at work.
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CDUB98 said:

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I don't understand why anyone would take poison like Advil over a gummy or baby hit or two of weed.
Random drug tests at work.


Yep. I'm not giving up several million in future earnings for a gummy.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

Sea Speed said:

Rapier108 said:

And yet Advil is over the counter and a black person can buy it as easily as a white person, all without a doctor's approval or prescription.

Some idiot in the marketing department thought this was a good idea, but doesn't realize it simply turns off some of their customers who can always buy the same product from a different company.


What i don't understand is why someone would buy advil when the exact same thing is available generic for half the price. A fool and his money.
I don't understand why anyone would take poison like Advil over a gummy or baby hit or two of weed.



Sir, this is not a Grape soda thread.
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CDUB98 said:

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I don't understand why anyone would take poison like Advil over a gummy or baby hit or two of weed.
Random drug tests at work.


jk, yeah def not worth it in that case.

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techno-ag said:

https://www.thepublica.com/advil-launches-pain-equity-project-to-tackle-racism-in-pain-management/

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One video introducing the campaign begins with a Black man expressing his frustration with the healthcare system: "When I approach a medical professional, I'm frustrated that we have to validate our pain just to get treated like human beings."

Continuing, a text overlay cites statistics from a study conducted by Advil about "pain experiences," which concluded that "74% of black people said there is bias in how pain is diagnosed and treated." The study surveyed "2,000 Americans about their experiences when seeking pain care and treatment" and found the results from "Black individuals to be "significant."
You can see where this is going. We need to lower standards (even more) for medical schools so we can get more doctors of color out there and they will listen to their black patients better.
Well the CIA dumped Crack on the inner city so what's a little opioid addiction to go with it?
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AgFormerlyInIrving said:

Wut???

Does the pain chart given to black people only go up to 5?
Exactly my thought.

What's different for people of color in the question "Rate your pain from a scale of 1-10?"
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Emotional Support Cobra said:

He's Mexican so he just puts Vapo-rub on the bottom of his feet!


Only on one. Besides, with size 17 feet, that's still a whole jar.
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Rocag said:

There's clear historical evidence that the medical profession has not treated all races equally and still doesn't rooted in a belief that people of different races feel pain differently.

Racial bias in pain assessment and treatment recommendations, and false beliefs about biological differences between blacks and whites

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Extant research has shown that, relative to white patients, black patients are less likely to be given pain medications and, if given pain medications, they receive lower quantities. For example, in a retrospective study, Todd et al. (10) found that black patients were significantly less likely than white patients to receive analgesics for extremity fractures in the emergency room (57% vs. 74%), despite having similar self-reports of pain. This disparity in pain treatment is true even among young children. For instance, a study of nearly one million children diagnosed with appendicitis revealed that, relative to white patients, black patients were less likely to receive any pain medication for moderate pain and were less likely to receive opioidsthe appropriate treatmentfor severe pain (6).

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Beliefs that blacks and whites are fundamentally and biologically different have been prevalent in various forms for centuries. In the United States, these beliefs were championed by scientists, physicians, and slave owners alike to justify slavery and the inhumane treatment of black men and women in medical research. In the 19th century, prominent physicians sought to establish the "physical peculiarities" of blacks that could "serve to distinguish him from the white man" (23). Such "peculiarities" included thicker skulls, less sensitive nervous systems, and diseases inherent in dark skin (20, 21, 23). Dr. Samuel Cartright, for instance, wrote that blacks bore a "Negro disease [making them] insensible to pain when subjected to punishment" (20). Other physicians believed that blacks could tolerate surgical operations with little, if any, pain at all (22, 25). Well into the 20th century, researchers continued to experiment on black people based in part on the assumption that the black body was more resistant to pain and injury. The military covertly tested mustard gas and other chemicals on black soldiers during World War II, and the US Public Health Service, in collaboration with the Tuskegee Institute, studied the progression of untreated syphilis in black men from 1932 to 1972.

Today, many laypeople, scientists, and scholars continue to believe that the black body is biologically and fundamentally different from the white body and that race is a fixed marker of group membership, rooted in biology (2628). In fact, many people insist that black people are better athletesstronger, faster, and more agileas a result of natural selection and deliberate breeding practices during slavery (2933). Research suggests that people even believe that black people are more likely than white people to be capable of fantastical mental and physical feats, such as withstanding extreme heat from burning coals (17). These biological conceptions of race are only weakly if at all correlated with racial attitudes (27, 34). They are nonetheless consequential. Research has shown that biological conceptions and related beliefs are associated with greater acceptance of racial disparities (27) and even racial bias in pain perception (17). Indeed, in one study, white participants who believed black people can tolerate extreme heat more than white people can, for example, were more likely to think that black people feel less pain than do white people (17).

Looking at that first paragraph, one has to wonder whether this study had a correcting factor to the basic question...

"Do you have medical insurance?"

Which would make the decision tree more financial than racial.

I didn't go through the entire study, but the fact that it uses the comments of a physician who lived from 1793 to 1863 as a primary source to argue its thesis tells me it's probably not worth reading.
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Burdizzo said:

El Gallo Blanco said:

Sea Speed said:

Rapier108 said:

And yet Advil is over the counter and a black person can buy it as easily as a white person, all without a doctor's approval or prescription.

Some idiot in the marketing department thought this was a good idea, but doesn't realize it simply turns off some of their customers who can always buy the same product from a different company.


What i don't understand is why someone would buy advil when the exact same thing is available generic for half the price. A fool and his money.
I don't understand why anyone would take poison like Advil over a gummy or baby hit or two of weed.



Sir, this is not a Grape soda thread.




/grapesoda
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