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There are a ton of gaslighting and inaccuracies in this post and it's worth rebutting point by point.

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Everyone saying Biden is going to win without hesitation, is not looking at this election closely.

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Who is? the left is ****ting their collective pants over Biden. Hardly anyone sees him as a strong candidate.

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The Economy sucks, no matter what "numbers" come out. Gas is high, groceries are high, everything is high. Illegals are flooding the borders and they are going up north to white areas. That alone will get a lot of Dems to stay home and Independents to Trump. Also it will help with Suburban woman

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The numbers simply do not agree with this. A more accurate statement would be to say that inflation is still hurting people, which it is. But the job market is hot, the stock market is hot, and wages are up. Things could be better, but the economy does not suck. The gaslighting on the economy from right wing news has been off the charts. Nobody is analyzing anything objectively.

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If that isn't enough, you have Muslims pissed off at Biden, huge vote block in Michigan, a lot will stay home.

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Yeah. But a huge bloc of them are still gettable, especially if a ceasefire is reached. And they sure as hell aren't switching to Trump, who has never been a friend to them.

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If that isn't enough you have RFK running, he will take more from Dems than Trump.

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This remains to be seen. RFK's base is conspiracy theorist weirdos. Everyone else is just a neutral "both sides are bad" voter.

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If that isn't enough, you have Cornel West running and he will get some of the inner cities black votes. That hurts big in Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Philly.

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Maybe. A lot of people have no idea who he is.

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Wars everywhere in the world. Just a complete mess since Biden has taken office and regardless of what yall say, people notice and it will affect a lot of votes

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This is so insanely dishonest. Yeah, there were no NEW wars, but that hardly tells the whole story. First, the USA isn't directly involved in any of the wars. To say that none of these conflicts would have happened under Trump is asinine and impossible to prove. And you leave out the fact that Trump has made it pretty clear he'd withdraw Ukraine aid, thereby letting Putin accomplish his mission and possibly invade more countries. And he'd undoubtedly support Netanyahu in genociding the entirety of Gaza.

Trump supporters also don't appreciate the fact that his activity in Israel (Abraham accords) increased tensions with Palestine greatly and likely set back relations by a few years, considering he never had their interests in mind and constantly tried to **** them.

Also, everyone conveniently forgets there were foreign conflicts going on when Trump was in office. He didn't pull out of Afghanistan. He increased drone strikes. He committed an extremely reckless move in assassinating an Iranian general (who was fighting ISIS), and we're very lucky it didn't spark a major conflict. He's also floated the idea of going to war with Mexican cartels.

The notion that Trump is some champion for peace is BS and deserves to be called out at every opportunity. He's not some master at international relations. He's terrible at it.

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None of the problems listed above were problems under Trump. The major dark area with Trump is his mouth and Covid. Biden has been way worse

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Yes they were. with the exception of inflation.

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All that brings me to the Cheating. 2020 was a completely different election. You had a lot of people wanting Trump out and it took a huge combined effort to cheat the way they did. You will not get that this go around. Biden is not as liked as in 2020, people are now educated that he is a terrible president and person. The enthusiasm is not there for a cheating effort like in 2020. Also a lot of people that cheated will be RFK and West Supporters, so there goes that avenue for Biden. There will be cheating, just not enough for Biden to get over the hump.

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I am not overly confident in Trump winning, but the odds look really good

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And i have very low confidence in Biden. And by all accounts this election looks like a coinflip at best depending on how 2024 goes overall. But never underestimate Trump's ability to **** things up.

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So you left out illegals raiding white communities up north, was that a problem under Trump? And Inflation. Two of the biggest issues I mentioned and issues involved in this election. And it isn't only whites affected by the illegals, I just said that because up north is mostly white, they are being dropped in cities and it likely pisses off blacks as well

What wars started under Trump? Even if it wasn't Bidens fault, it happened under him and that is all the people see. And they see us sending 100+ billion to a country that most Americans do not give a crap about

Economy will be a personal issue. Your numbers mean nothing to the common citizen. When you are paying 2.75 or $5 in some areas for gas and groceries are damn near double what they were under Trump, people aren't looking at these numbers you're referring too. They are wondering why they are broke

You think the common citizen is in the grocery store seeing their total after checking out is wondering what the stock market is doing? How unemployment is doing? Ummmmmm NO.

RFK supporters are not just loons and weirdos. That name pulls a lot of weight with old Dems

And West is very well known among the black communities

Illegal immigration, Wars, Inflation, gas prices, Economy. None of these are in Bidens corner. And he has three candidates chipping away at his base. Stein, West and RFK

I hope Donald Trump takes back Arizona and Georgia and wins enough swing states to defeat Joe Biden. If Joe Biden is reelected, the Democrats will win 6 of 9 presidential elections since 1992. It affirms the end of the American order of life and would mean that the majority of US citizens have moved farther left.

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But it doesn't suck. The jobs reports as of late have exceeded expectations and unemployment is low. You are simply raising a different point, which is that inflation is still a major problem. And it is, no one is denying that.

Though it's infuriating when people attempt to place all the blame on Biden when it is a worldwide issue that began due to shortages and supply chain disruptions that resulted from covid. what people also leave out is that retailers have reported record-breaking profit margins since 2021. High interest rates (among other factors like investors buying up homes by the dozens) have made homeownership out of reach for so many families. Gas prices have been pretty stable as of late.

I'm not denying there are still major problems and work to do, but I always have to push back when people act like this economy is no different from 2008.

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https://www.bidenomics.com/

You push back in ignorance.

This economy works for government crony capitalists like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet who feed off the flawed stimulus graft of the Biden Administration. It is not working for most Americans.

You mentioned the Abraham Accords earlier. What they proved was peace could be achieved in the Middle East when you treat Iran and their proxies as enemies.

Instead, we now have a foreign policy granting aid and comfort to the Iranians, the Taliban, and Palestinian Nazis.

How is that working out? It is failing. This is why the Biden White House has to change its story every 30 minutes depending on who they are talking to at the moment.

We had clarity with a Trump foreign policy. We had success and rarely did we have to fire a shot to make our point in the world.

With Biden in charge, our enemies are winning and even making money off the United States in the process.

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But it doesn't suck. The jobs reports as of late have exceeded expectations and unemployment is low. You are simply raising a different point, which is that inflation is still a major problem. And it is, no one is denying that.

Though it's infuriating when people attempt to place all the blame on Biden when it is a worldwide issue that began due to shortages and supply chain disruptions that resulted from covid. what people also leave out is that retailers have reported record-breaking profit margins since 2021. High interest rates (among other factors like investors buying up homes by the dozens) have made homeownership out of reach for so many families. Gas prices have been pretty stable as of late.

I'm not denying there are still major problems and work to do, but I always have to push back when people act like this economy is no different from 2008.

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I hope Donald Trump takes back Arizona and Georgia and wins enough swing states to defeat Joe Biden. If Joe Biden is reelected, the Democrats will win 6 of 9 presidential elections since 1992. It affirms the end of the American order of life and would mean that the majority of US citizens have moved farther left.

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Is this really even remotely in doubt??

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barbacoa taco said:

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There are a ton of gaslighting and inaccuracies in this post and it's worth rebutting point by point.

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Everyone saying Biden is going to win without hesitation, is not looking at this election closely.

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Who is? the left is ****ting their collective pants over Biden. Hardly anyone sees him as a strong candidate.

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The Economy sucks, no matter what "numbers" come out. Gas is high, groceries are high, everything is high. Illegals are flooding the borders and they are going up north to white areas. That alone will get a lot of Dems to stay home and Independents to Trump. Also it will help with Suburban woman

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The numbers simply do not agree with this. A more accurate statement would be to say that inflation is still hurting people, which it is. But the job market is hot, the stock market is hot, and wages are up. Things could be better, but the economy does not suck. The gaslighting on the economy from right wing news has been off the charts. Nobody is analyzing anything objectively.

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If that isn't enough, you have Muslims pissed off at Biden, huge vote block in Michigan, a lot will stay home.

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Yeah. But a huge bloc of them are still gettable, especially if a ceasefire is reached. And they sure as hell aren't switching to Trump, who has never been a friend to them.

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If that isn't enough you have RFK running, he will take more from Dems than Trump.

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This remains to be seen. RFK's base is conspiracy theorist weirdos. Everyone else is just a neutral "both sides are bad" voter.

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If that isn't enough, you have Cornel West running and he will get some of the inner cities black votes. That hurts big in Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Philly.

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Maybe. A lot of people have no idea who he is.

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Wars everywhere in the world. Just a complete mess since Biden has taken office and regardless of what yall say, people notice and it will affect a lot of votes

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This is so insanely dishonest. Yeah, there were no NEW wars, but that hardly tells the whole story. First, the USA isn't directly involved in any of the wars. To say that none of these conflicts would have happened under Trump is asinine and impossible to prove. And you leave out the fact that Trump has made it pretty clear he'd withdraw Ukraine aid, thereby letting Putin accomplish his mission and possibly invade more countries. And he'd undoubtedly support Netanyahu in genociding the entirety of Gaza.

Trump supporters also don't appreciate the fact that his activity in Israel (Abraham accords) increased tensions with Palestine greatly and likely set back relations by a few years, considering he never had their interests in mind and constantly tried to **** them.

Also, everyone conveniently forgets there were foreign conflicts going on when Trump was in office. He didn't pull out of Afghanistan. He increased drone strikes. He committed an extremely reckless move in assassinating an Iranian general (who was fighting ISIS), and we're very lucky it didn't spark a major conflict. He's also floated the idea of going to war with Mexican cartels.

The notion that Trump is some champion for peace is BS and deserves to be called out at every opportunity. He's not some master at international relations. He's terrible at it.

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None of the problems listed above were problems under Trump. The major dark area with Trump is his mouth and Covid. Biden has been way worse

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Yes they were. with the exception of inflation.

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All that brings me to the Cheating. 2020 was a completely different election. You had a lot of people wanting Trump out and it took a huge combined effort to cheat the way they did. You will not get that this go around. Biden is not as liked as in 2020, people are now educated that he is a terrible president and person. The enthusiasm is not there for a cheating effort like in 2020. Also a lot of people that cheated will be RFK and West Supporters, so there goes that avenue for Biden. There will be cheating, just not enough for Biden to get over the hump.

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Not even worth responding to

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I am not overly confident in Trump winning, but the odds look really good

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And i have very low confidence in Biden. And by all accounts this election looks like a coinflip at best depending on how 2024 goes overall. But never underestimate Trump's ability to **** things up.

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So you left out illegals raiding white communities up north, was that a problem under Trump? And Inflation. Two of the biggest issues I mentioned and issues involved in this election. And it isn't only whites affected by the illegals, I just said that because up north is mostly white, they are being dropped in cities and it likely pisses off blacks as well

What wars started under Trump? Even if it wasn't Bidens fault, it happened under him and that is all the people see. And they see us sending 100+ billion to a country that most Americans do not give a crap about

Economy will be a personal issue. Your numbers mean nothing to the common citizen. When you are paying 2.75 or $5 in some areas for gas and groceries are damn near double what they were under Trump, people aren't looking at these numbers you're referring too. They are wondering why they are broke

You think the common citizen is in the grocery store seeing their total after checking out is wondering what the stock market is doing? How unemployment is doing? Ummmmmm NO.

RFK supporters are not just loons and weirdos. That name pulls a lot of weight with old Dems

And West is very well known among the black communities

Illegal immigration, Wars, Inflation, gas prices, Economy. None of these are in Bidens corner. And he has three candidates chipping away at his base. Stein, West and RFK

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You are one of the most ignorant people I have seen on this site. How can you blind yourself so intensely to the truth of what is happening all around you. It is quite scary actually.

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I hope Donald Trump takes back Arizona and Georgia and wins enough swing states to defeat Joe Biden. If Joe Biden is reelected, the Democrats will win 6 of 9 presidential elections since 1992. It affirms the end of the American order of life and would mean that the majority of US citizens have moved farther left.

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Since 1988, the Republican candidate has won the popular vote once (2004). The leftward shift has been a decades long trend.

Well, States are trying to band together to pass the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact....



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

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The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential ticket wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. The compact is designed to ensure that the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide is elected president, and it would come into effect only when it would guarantee that outcome.[2][3]

Introduced in 2006, as of March 2024 it has been adopted by sixteen states and the District of Columbia. These jurisdictions have 205 electoral votes, which is 38% of the Electoral College and 76% of the 270 votes needed to give the compact legal force.

Certain legal questions may affect implementation of the compact. Some legal observers believe states have plenary power to appoint electors as prescribed by the compact; others believe that the compact will require congressional consent under the Constitution's Compact Clause or that the presidential election process cannot be altered except by a constitutional amendment.

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2023NCAggies said:

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barbacoa taco said:

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There are a ton of gaslighting and inaccuracies in this post and it's worth rebutting point by point.

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Everyone saying Biden is going to win without hesitation, is not looking at this election closely.

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Who is? the left is ****ting their collective pants over Biden. Hardly anyone sees him as a strong candidate.

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The Economy sucks, no matter what "numbers" come out. Gas is high, groceries are high, everything is high. Illegals are flooding the borders and they are going up north to white areas. That alone will get a lot of Dems to stay home and Independents to Trump. Also it will help with Suburban woman

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The numbers simply do not agree with this. A more accurate statement would be to say that inflation is still hurting people, which it is. But the job market is hot, the stock market is hot, and wages are up. Things could be better, but the economy does not suck. The gaslighting on the economy from right wing news has been off the charts. Nobody is analyzing anything objectively.

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If that isn't enough, you have Muslims pissed off at Biden, huge vote block in Michigan, a lot will stay home.

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Yeah. But a huge bloc of them are still gettable, especially if a ceasefire is reached. And they sure as hell aren't switching to Trump, who has never been a friend to them.

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If that isn't enough you have RFK running, he will take more from Dems than Trump.

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This remains to be seen. RFK's base is conspiracy theorist weirdos. Everyone else is just a neutral "both sides are bad" voter.

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If that isn't enough, you have Cornel West running and he will get some of the inner cities black votes. That hurts big in Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Philly.

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Maybe. A lot of people have no idea who he is.

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Wars everywhere in the world. Just a complete mess since Biden has taken office and regardless of what yall say, people notice and it will affect a lot of votes

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This is so insanely dishonest. Yeah, there were no NEW wars, but that hardly tells the whole story. First, the USA isn't directly involved in any of the wars. To say that none of these conflicts would have happened under Trump is asinine and impossible to prove. And you leave out the fact that Trump has made it pretty clear he'd withdraw Ukraine aid, thereby letting Putin accomplish his mission and possibly invade more countries. And he'd undoubtedly support Netanyahu in genociding the entirety of Gaza.

Trump supporters also don't appreciate the fact that his activity in Israel (Abraham accords) increased tensions with Palestine greatly and likely set back relations by a few years, considering he never had their interests in mind and constantly tried to **** them.

Also, everyone conveniently forgets there were foreign conflicts going on when Trump was in office. He didn't pull out of Afghanistan. He increased drone strikes. He committed an extremely reckless move in assassinating an Iranian general (who was fighting ISIS), and we're very lucky it didn't spark a major conflict. He's also floated the idea of going to war with Mexican cartels.

The notion that Trump is some champion for peace is BS and deserves to be called out at every opportunity. He's not some master at international relations. He's terrible at it.

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None of the problems listed above were problems under Trump. The major dark area with Trump is his mouth and Covid. Biden has been way worse

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Yes they were. with the exception of inflation.

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All that brings me to the Cheating. 2020 was a completely different election. You had a lot of people wanting Trump out and it took a huge combined effort to cheat the way they did. You will not get that this go around. Biden is not as liked as in 2020, people are now educated that he is a terrible president and person. The enthusiasm is not there for a cheating effort like in 2020. Also a lot of people that cheated will be RFK and West Supporters, so there goes that avenue for Biden. There will be cheating, just not enough for Biden to get over the hump.

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Not even worth responding to

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I am not overly confident in Trump winning, but the odds look really good

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And i have very low confidence in Biden. And by all accounts this election looks like a coinflip at best depending on how 2024 goes overall. But never underestimate Trump's ability to **** things up.

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So you left out illegals raiding white communities up north, was that a problem under Trump? And Inflation. Two of the biggest issues I mentioned and issues involved in this election. And it isn't only whites affected by the illegals, I just said that because up north is mostly white, they are being dropped in cities and it likely pisses off blacks as well

What wars started under Trump? Even if it wasn't Bidens fault, it happened under him and that is all the people see. And they see us sending 100+ billion to a country that most Americans do not give a crap about

Economy will be a personal issue. Your numbers mean nothing to the common citizen. When you are paying 2.75 or $5 in some areas for gas and groceries are damn near double what they were under Trump, people aren't looking at these numbers you're referring too. They are wondering why they are broke

You think the common citizen is in the grocery store seeing their total after checking out is wondering what the stock market is doing? How unemployment is doing? Ummmmmm NO.

RFK supporters are not just loons and weirdos. That name pulls a lot of weight with old Dems

And West is very well known among the black communities

Illegal immigration, Wars, Inflation, gas prices, Economy. None of these are in Bidens corner. And he has three candidates chipping away at his base. Stein, West and RFK

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You are one of the most ignorant people I have seen on this site. How can you blind yourself so intensely to the truth of what is happening all around you. It is quite scary actually.

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It is obvious you are a Democrat. I think YOU are ignorant and likely the most ignorant on here. YOU blind yourself from the truth from what is happening around you. See I can say the same about you

You look at the numbers all you want and ignore everything I said, but most of it is true and you know it.

You cannot defend against Biden's record, which is why you just called me ignorant. and left it at that

Wars-loser for Biden-------fact
Economy-loser for Biden-------fact
illegal immigration (you still yet to address)--------huge loser for Biden
General law and order------huge loser for Biden
3 other Dems running-------huge loser for Biden

No matter what BS you spew from BS reports, people cannot defend Biden against those issues and win. Sorry to burst your narrow eyed bubble.

Even with Biden's clear failures on the border, the criticisms of him on immigration kinda fall flat now, given that republicans blew up a bipartisan border reform deal that they supported, until Trump told them not to.

Biden has earned his criticism on the border, but blowing up a mostly right wing border deal solely to keep it as his campaign issue is unforgivable.

Republicans don't care near as much about fixing the border as they do campaigning on it.

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Even with Biden's clear failures on the border, the criticisms of him on immigration kinda fall flat now, given that republicans blew up a bipartisan border reform deal that they supported, until Trump told them not to.

Biden has earned his criticism on the border, but blowing up a mostly right wing border deal solely to keep it as his campaign issue is unforgivable.

Republicans don't care near as much about fixing the border as they do campaigning on it.

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That bill was junk, we know, we read it. It did nothing to secure the border and they don't enforce the law now why would they enforce that one? It was a fund the Ukraine bill. Calling it a "right wing' and "bipartisan" border bill does not mean anything when it was crap.

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Even with Biden's clear failures on the border, the criticisms of him on immigration kinda fall flat now, given that republicans blew up a bipartisan border reform deal that they supported, until Trump told them not to.

Biden has earned his criticism on the border, but blowing up a mostly right wing border deal solely to keep it as his campaign issue is unforgivable.

Republicans don't care near as much about fixing the border as they do campaigning on it.

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Lmao, that bill was garbage and would have done nothing to fix the border. You do mean the 118 BILLION dollar bill right? The one that did absolutely nothing for our border, and the majority of the money going to Ukraine?

See the thing is, under Trump it wasn't a problem, he asked for 4 billion for a border wall, did not get it. Yet still built a lot of it and had record low border crossings.

But you want us to spend 118 BILLION on a bill that will do nothing and improve nothing at the border.

WHY DO WE NEED A 118 BILLION DOLLARS TO FIX SOMETHING THAT WAS "NOT" A PROBLEM UNDER TRUMP?

SEE? Get rid of Biden and the immigration problem can be fixed relatively cheap

BIG LOSER FOR BIDEN. SO Try again

People are not stupid sir, the border was not an issue while Trump was in office. When Biden took over, over 10 million have crossed the border. 400k FLOWN FROM INNER MEXICO, "PURPOSELY" BY BIDEN

This issue has definitely not fallen flat

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Even with Biden's clear failures on the border, the criticisms of him on immigration kinda fall flat now, given that republicans blew up a bipartisan border reform deal that they supported, until Trump told them not to.

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How does sending a bunch of money to Ukraine fix our border issue when the Feds could fix it by simply enforcing the immigration laws that already exist?

Biden earned every ounce of criticism he gets for his failure on the border. As 2023NCAggies stated, that "bipartisan" border reform bill was straight trash and pretending it wasn't is intellectual dishonesty at best.

The trouble is that the Democrats are very good at controlling the narrative and the main stream media is complicit.

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barbacoa taco said:

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Even with Biden's clear failures on the border, the criticisms of him on immigration kinda fall flat now, given that republicans blew up a bipartisan border reform deal that they supported, until Trump told them not to.

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How does sending a bunch of money to Ukraine fix our border issue when the Feds could fix it by simply enforcing the immigration laws that already exist?

Biden earned every ounce of criticism he gets for his failure on the border. As 2023NCAggies stated, that "bipartisan" border reform bill was straight trash and pretending it wasn't is intellectual dishonesty at best.

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barbacoa taco said:

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Even with Biden's clear failures on the border, the criticisms of him on immigration kinda fall flat now, given that republicans blew up a bipartisan border reform deal that they supported, until Trump told them not to.

Biden has earned his criticism on the border, but blowing up a mostly right wing border deal solely to keep it as his campaign issue is unforgivable.

Republicans don't care near as much about fixing the border as they do campaigning on it.

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That bill was junk, we know, we read it. It did nothing to secure the border and they don't enforce the law now why would they enforce that one? It was a fund the Ukraine bill. Calling it a "right wing' and "bipartisan" border bill does not mean anything when it was crap.

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You are completely correct.
I will add that not only did the bill not address the invasion on our border it codified into law the invasion by exempting thousands of people.

IF you believe the polls, Trump should easily win Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and North Carolina. IF the election were today

Problem is 3 of those states are ran by Dems.

Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Minnesota will all be close too

Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Texas are states Trump will not have to spend a lot of time in. And are safe

Biden might have to defend Virginia a little

If Biden is knocked off the ticket, Newsom and Harris get torched in the polls