Liberty University fined $14m, do wat?

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$14 million is the the largest fine ever imposed by the Department of Education.

The DOE identifies 11 violations, such as failing to maintain an accurate, daily crime log; failing to issue timely warnings to the campus community about reportable crimes; and failing to comply with numerous sexual violence prevention and response requirements.

Say what you want about the school itself but a $14 million dollar fine?

You thought it was just the IRS but in 2024 ... Lawfare trickles down to federal agencies including the Department of Education.
Jason C.
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Lol at Christian schools who take federal funds.
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LSU must've self-reported more violations and Tulane is broke?
Buck Turgidson
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They are just openly targeting political enemies.
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Yeah, that fine sounds rather arbitrary and excessive.

I generally have a problem with federal agencies deciding on setting penalties without any real legal action or courts involved. The EPA and OSHA can just bankrupt businesses with their fines without much legal recourse or discussion of necessity or severity. It always seems to be really arbitrary.
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This is the second Christian university that the Biden regime has been trying to break financially. The first was Grand Canyon University who has been attacked twice.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Buck Turgidson
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Jason C. said:

Lol at Christian schools who take federal funds.
Where did you see that they were taking federal funds? Do you mean indirectly through student loans?
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Was searching the article for where somebody died or there was some major incident, but no. This was for record-keeping and procedural violations.
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I'd ask them how much a middle finger is worth and then give them as many middle fingers as it takes to settle the debt.
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Saw where Elon spent $100 million to open up a new school in Austin. He better have his compliance 100% on point because the DC bureaucrats already wet over it.
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This is where the Protestants need to do the same thing that the Catholics did back when the Carter Admin started collecting Unemployment Insurance from churches - just don't pay and claim Constitutional protection.
Most of the big Protestant groups paid UI, then had to apply for refunds after the Catholics won in the Supreme Court.
Basically, challenge the Admin to shut down a major religious school.
You may become a martyr, but that is how Christians win.

This assumes that the school is NOT liable of anything more than red tape violations.





















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If it was a muslim school, biden (through obama's direction) would never have allowed this.
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Buck Turgidson said:

Where did you see that they were taking federal funds? Do you mean indirectly through student loans?

The Jeanne Clery Act
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The Clery Act requires colleges and universities that receive federal funding to...
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$14 million is a chump change for Liberty.

They're 2nd largest online university I believe...with 100,000 online students.

Do the math on the tuition..

And y'all remember Liberty didn't lockdown during covid...I don't believe they mandated mask either.
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I'd pay it to the feds in pennies with a big FU.
Antoninus
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PCC_80 said:

Yeah, that fine sounds rather arbitrary and excessive.
Have you compared it to fines against other institutions for similar violations?

or did you just arbitrarily decide that it was arbitrary and excessive?
TA-OP
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Clery violations are a big deal. It reads as though they had multiple systemic violations.
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Buck Turgidson said:

They are just openly targeting political enemies.
Bingo, anybody or any organization that disagrees with the left must be destroyed.
They are willing to try ANY dirty trick in the book. The left is filled from top to bottom
with sociopaths. It really is that simple.
#FJB
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Antoninus said:

Have you compared it to fines against other institutions for similar violations?

or did you just arbitrarily decide that it was arbitrary and excessive?

Since you obviously didn't bother to read the linked article, here you go:
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In 2019, Michigan State University was fined $4.5 million under the Clery Act a record at the time in connection with the Larry Nassar sexual abuse scandal.

So, yeah, LU is fined for bad recordkeeping 3X the amount as the school that employed a physician who sexually assaulted his patients.
cslifer
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Clery Act violations are a big deal, and relatively easy to avoid. Without seeing all the details it sounds like Liberty just decided to ignore the requirements. This doesn't appear to come from just some poor record keeping.
Antoninus
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TA-OP said:

Clery violations are a big deal. It reads as though they had multiple systemic violations.
Over a period of many years. Twelve complainants on the rape issue alone. AND they acknowledged that they were out of compliance.

Yes, it is a big fine, but it appears that they have learned their lesson and are addressing the safety deficiencies.
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Buck Turgidson said:

They are just openly targeting political enemies.


Political enemies who take money from the oppressors. **** em until they learn.
Antoninus
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coconutED said:

U is fined for bad recordkeeping 3X the amount as the school that employed a physician who sexually assaulted his patients.
This is not remotely just a "bad recordkeeping" case. They had systemic, substantive violations, and they did nothing about them over a period of many years.

By contrast, MSU had safeguards in place, they simply did not catch Nasser.

One was negligence, the other was total and absolute indifference. I suspect that's the reason for the different size in the fines.
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Antoninus said:

coconutED said:

U is fined for bad recordkeeping 3X the amount as the school that employed a physician who sexually assaulted his patients.
This is not remotely just a "bad recordkeeping" case. They had systemic, substantive violations, and they did nothing about them over a period of many years.

By contrast, MSU had safeguards in place, they simply did not catch Nasser.

One was negligence, the other was indifference. I suspect that's the reason for the different size in the fines.
Wow. This is an extremely generous description of what happened at MSU.

This is how the Department of Education described MSU's part...
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Too many people in power knew about the behaviors and the complaints and yet the predators continued on the payroll and abused even more students. This must not happen again, there or anywhere else.
This is how you think they would describe mere indifference? The new school president saying that their predecessor failed to take appropriate action is mere indifference?
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The government's investigation found Michigan State violated law by failing to disclose crime statistics, failing to issue campus warnings about security threats and failing to establish a system to collect crime statistics. As a remedy, the school says it will hire a Clery compliance officer and create measures to protect athletes and children who participate in youth programs on campus.
cslifer
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Wow! Just read the report, obvious willful violations that have been going on for years and can pretty easily be tied to at least one person being sexually assaulted on campus. AND the university admitted to almost every bit of it.
https://www2.ed.gov/documents/press-releases/20240305-liberty-letter.pdf
El Gallo Blanco
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Now do HBCU's (lolz)
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Antoninus said:

coconutED said:

U is fined for bad recordkeeping 3X the amount as the school that employed a physician who sexually assaulted his patients.
This is not remotely just a "bad recordkeeping" case. They had systemic, substantive violations, and they did nothing about them over a period of many years.

By contrast, MSU had safeguards in place, they simply did not catch Nasser.

One was negligence, the other was total and absolute indifference. I suspect that's the reason for the different size in the fines.


I think two things can be true at the same time.

Liberty definitely ****ed up and deserved a large fine. This was worse than, "bad record keeping," many are trying to make it out to be.

On the other hand, the size of the fine is certainly questionable. Michigan State did more than fail to catch Nasser. They buried their heads in the sand the same way Penn State did with Sandusky. ETA Safeguards are meaningless if they're not enforced. Michigan State may have had them in place, but they were merely lip service considering their approach with Nasser. Ignoring the safeguards you supposedly have is just as, if not more, indifferent than having none at all.

Nasser's wrong doing was widespread and over a long time period, and Liberty's failures put people at risk over a similar timeframe. They're not substantially that different, but the fine for Liberty is much more and certainly seems excessive. They definitely deserved one, but probably not the one they got.
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I'm a Christian, but if I had to make a generalization about us and compliance with laws and regulations, it would be that we don't actively look to violate them but we also don't pay them much attention. A lack of financial oversight is the most common. But there is always something. Set up a soup kitchen? "Let's look into if we need a food service permit.". "Don't live in fear, the Lord will provide!". Yes, he provided the health code, let's use it.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Was searching the article for where somebody died or there was some major incident, but no. This was for record-keeping and procedural violations.
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I've been hearing about their crazy rules and curfews.

Seems like a BYU of the South. The govt of course hates them
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Only in a communist country
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Render into Caesar...
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boboguitar said:

Liberty tried to cover up rape, I'm not shocked a Christian institution would do so.

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The U.S. Department of Education said it identified numerous cases that resulted in the misclassification or underreporting of crimes. And there were several incidents that the university determined to be unfounded, without evidence the initial report was false.

"This was especially common with respect to sexually based offenses, including rape and fondling cases," according to the department's Final Program Review Determination.

You know what I like about your posting?

Your lack of discipline. You think you are so smart and yet cant control your hateful impulses thus revealing the true mind and soul of the far left. A core political ideological family that murdered 80 to 100 million people from the 1780's to the 1970's.

I hope this post is not culled or deleted. Its generalizations, its overall hate driven simplicity need to stay up as an example of real bigotry. Love or hate Christian institutions they have helped more poor and suffering people throughout history than ANY others.

Your simplistic hate does nothing to change facts.
Antoninus
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poof

2/3 of this thread just disappeared.
LMCane
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I was doing research on my book at Liberty University Library a year ago.

that campus is gorgeous, top notch facilities.

and some gorgeous women.

$14 million is chump change for Liberty.
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