AggieDruggist89 said:

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So.... High IQ is evidently a weak survival trait in Darwinian Evolutionary theory and the survival of the fittest. So most fit to survive are the ones with lower IQ... Who'd thunk it.

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There was a documentary on this topic 20 years ago. We didn't realize how right they were at the time.

barbacoa taco said:

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another reminder of how hard life was back then. we don't know how good we have it in the present.

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I told my dad his generation spent a lot more time and energy just surviving. Grow your own food, barter cotton or extra crops for other needs, etc.

WHOOP!'91 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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So.... High IQ is evidently a weak survival trait in Darwinian Evolutionary theory and the survival of the fittest. So most fit to survive are the ones with lower IQ... Who'd thunk it.

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There was a documentary on this topic 20 years ago. We didn't realize how right they were at the time.

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Absolutely mind boggling....

Many people in modern society simply don't see procreation as a moral imperative like prior generations did. It's a bit funny given that the same 1st world economies (highly mobile, consumer/tech driven) which convince younger generations that they don't need to have kids are predicated on continual rapid population expansion to maintain/sustain themselves.

We either have to figure out a way to maintain economic equilibrium with a static population or conceptualize a means for incentivizing and supporting perpetual yet productive expansion. Because, unfortunately, you'll always have significantly greater growth among non-contributing segments of society than productive, contributing segments.

But maybe not... Cockroaches are successful not because of intelligence.

Kansas Kid said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Why does everyone always claim that countries are doomed over birth rates? Aren't birth rates something that ebb and flow depending on conditions?

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This is a busy chart but shows in almost all countries, rates have been steadily declining since the end of the baby boom after WWII and are forecast to keep doing it.

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Shall we call this the Idiocracy Graph?

AG81xx said:

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Also I was in Uganda recently. Crazy population growth, people everywhere. Doubled since 2000. Now 49.5 million vs Texas at 31 million

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And its GDP about that of the Midland-Odessa CMA. Africa is a catastrophe in the making. Massive pop growth without near the economy and agricultural productivity to support it.

Amen!

Total Fertility Rate by Country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate

Headlines:

• ****hole countries are above the Population Replacement rate of 2.1.
• Every Western based country is below 2.1 except for Israel and the US Virgin Islands.
• Mexico is only at 1.8 whereas we are 1.7 so no better than us. And since they export so many to us they are actually in worse shape.
• Overall, the US imports so many other ****hole people our total replacement rate is in decent shape although if we had a Quality aspect of this TFR we would be highly diluting it since Biden took office.
• Asian countries and Russia are especially screwed being well below TFR. They are an endangered species.

"It is estimated that 82% of single women voted for Joe Biden in 2020."

The founders were right.

This at a time when Christianity is exploding in Africa.

FbgTxAg said:

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"It is estimated that 82% of single women voted for Joe Biden in 2020."

The founders were right.

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What percentage of men want to mate with those 82%. Do the math and we see why birth rates are falling.

Kansas Kid said:

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China also had a drop in population last year for the first time in modern history not tied to war.

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Communism killing 60 million didn't do the trick?

Did the Africans finally get some U-Hauls and move out of the desert?

Captain Pablo said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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China also had a drop in population last year for the first time in modern history not tied to war.

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Communism killing 60 million didn't do the trick?

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Nope

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Isn't Korea in the same boat? Both countries that have traditionally been super masculine, up until the last generation or two.

The most high-tech advanced countries are pretty much all experiencing this, while the poorest third world countries are not. Hmmmm...makes you think...

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It's just the nature of industrialization, people move from the farms to the cities and have less kids. The trade off is you get to love almost twice as long as people in the poorest parts of the world.

YouBet said:

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Total Fertility Rate by Country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate

Headlines:

• ****hole countries are above the Population Replacement rate of 2.1.
• Every Western based country is below 2.1 except for Israel and the US Virgin Islands.
• Mexico is only at 1.8 whereas we are 1.7 so no better than us. And since they export so many to us they are actually in worse shape.
• Overall, the US imports so many other ****hole people our total replacement rate is in decent shape although if we had a Quality aspect of this TFR we would be highly diluting it since Biden took office.
• Asian countries and Russia are especially screwed being well below TFR. They are an endangered species.

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Mexico is better than us demographically because their population is not aging as rapidly. They have about 40 years on us in terms of when they may experience problems from retirees and worker shortages. We are alreasy there in some sectors.

They have plenty of workers to replace their retiring boomer generation. That is good for consumption growth and sustainable labor costs. People from Mexico are not immigrating en masse like they used to. The vast vast majority of people crossing the border now are from central America, Venezuela, and elsewhere.

In response to "aging boomers": part of our problem is that boomers in general did such a poor job planning for retirement that they're taking up jobs. The employers have little reason to go younger when they can pay the boomers less. So, you get a snowball effect where young adults struggle to attain the goal, a house and a family.

TA-OP said:

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In response to "aging boomers": part of our problem is that boomers in general did such a poor job planning for retirement that they're taking up jobs. The employers have little reason to go younger when they can pay the boomers less. So, you get a snowball effect where young adults struggle to attain the goal, a house and a family.

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That's a baseless assertion that is wrong.

The LBR for 55 and older is at a 50 year low.

TA-OP said:

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In response to "aging boomers": part of our problem is that boomers in general did such a poor job planning for retirement that they're taking up jobs. The employers have little reason to go younger when they can pay the boomers less. So, you get a snowball effect where young adults struggle to attain the goal, a house and a family.

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Like hell we are? Every Septegenarian I know and grew up with is being pressed into service by family businesses or by family units to watch and care for grandkids,etc.

Why? Because in this sicko/lazy world there is not a lot of people you can trust to take care of your grandkids or to even show up timely at work and do a half ass job at it. It's not that we have to, or necessarily want to.

If the kids want to go on a family vacation and enjoy themselves, it's grandpa and grandmaw that have to step into the fray. In fact one young business owner I know, likes summer because he can hire high school kids who are eager to work. And may even hang around after they graduate.

One of the reasons 65 and over are wanted in the market is that they already have health care. Plus they are still reasonably healthy and still have a work ethic that the
The next generation doesn't seem to have.

Most of the younger generation I know are self employed or skilled independent contractors. You can't always depend on big business anymore. They will drop you like a hot rock if things go bad or mismanagement kills their revenue stream

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rocag said:

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"Don't have kids if you can't afford them!"

"OK, I guess I won't have kids."

"Oh no, why is our birth rate dropping?!"

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Problem, is, the groups we are yelling this at (people of all colors on the govt dole) fail to listen.

People who are not a drain on the country need to have more kids.

Does that very basic math make sense? Let me know if I need to dumb it down even further.

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Perhaps those people aren't a drain on the economy because they don't have kids. Also, maybe more people are waiting until they are in their 30s to have kids because they can't afford them sooner.

Elements at play:
1. Family units are largely broken. Grandparents no longer live with or even near their grandkids. This makes raising a kid more difficult. Also the mindset that you will save enough money to provide for your own end of life care (nursing home, etc) instead of living with your children is a problem.
2. Opportunity cost for women has risen significantly. As women become more educated the trade off between raising children and what they would otherwise accomplish becomes more significant thus making it a harder decision. Lots of messaging early on about this one to which is quite detrimental.
3. Urban areas. Confine people to areas of densely packed populations, they will generally slow down population growth. I personally believe urban areas destroy masculinity and create a female dependence on state for protection. This would be observed in much higher democrat voting habits.
4. Consumerism is off the charts. It has been posted on this thread. You can travel X,Y, Z now. Or get a nicer car. Basically the world has fallen for the trap that things make people happy. When in reality it is relationships and sacrifice which does.

5. Maybe the most controversial. Men don't feel like they can be fathers. Ie play the role of provider and protector and ultimately put their children first. This partly comes up in that they fail to do that in their romantic relationship as well. (Some of that being the fault of women).

Top 5 off the top of my head, ranked by my opinion of how much they are driving this:

1) Porn addiction - I don't think we want to know the real numbers

2) Devaluation of fatherhood across society, and women don't want to be stuck sharing babies with s**ty fathers

3) younger generations placing a higher value on economic flexibility (you can call this self indulgence using a negative lens)

4) dropping levels of masculinity and testosterone among males in general (could be driven by factors above, could be diet and obesity, or both). Leading to both lower fertility AND a lot less sex.

5) modern feminism has convinced a whole lot of 15-30 year old women they don't need men, and shouldn't value motherhood. By the time they realize it was a lie - the window is pretty small

Worth reading. But Japan has 125 million people, about twice what it had at the height of the empire. There’s no need for immigration or even more people other than “line go up.” Certainly not worth importing social problems. https://t.co/2uy6BccSZq

— James Kirkpatrick (@VDAREJamesK) March 1, 2024

I generally agree with this.