Anyone hear about this Amish farmer Amos Miller's farm being raided.

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MarkTwain
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This sound like a load of crap from the PA Dept or AG



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MarkTwain
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Evidently happened in Jan

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I don't trust our government but I think I need more info on this.
And ole Amos's place doesn't look like a typical barn raising. Wouldn't be shocked to learn of government overreach but would like to know more about it.
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It's just migrant food.
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Need more info.

If you're producing strictly for yourself, government should stay out of it.

If you're selling to others, that's a different story.

There are unique situations like the Amish that provide for their community. They don't ask for government assistance, and the government needs to stay out of their business.

Edit: government needs to stay out of local farmers markets too. And local lemonade stands. I guess the key word is "local."
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Only read the intro, so unless there is more that I haven't read

Seems to me Amish living isn't under attack, but continued erosion of our freedoms and our right to self-preservation.

Side note: the family moved from the West Coast to Pennsylvania when I was in high school. While at A&M I was able to bring my wife ('99) to Lancaster County to see the Amish plowing their fields, riding in horse and buggies, and try some food.
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MemphisAg1 said:

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If you're producing strictly for yourself, government should stay out of it.

If you're selling to others, that's a different story.


Even if you're selling to others, govt can go F itself.
ShaggySLC
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The government can't have large religious groups of people surviving on their own. They learned from England.
Tea Party
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Bad government.
Learn about the Texas Nationalist Movement
https://tnm.me
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Reminds me of Waco.
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MemphisAg1 said:

Need more info.

If you're producing strictly for yourself, government should stay out of it.

If you're selling to others, that's a different story.

There are unique situations like the Amish that provide for their community. They don't ask for government assistance, and the government needs to stay out of their business.

Edit: government needs to stay out of local farmers markets too. And local lemonade stands. I guess the key word is "local."

Yea and local gun shows and sales too!
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Because the government only provides us with safe products to consume from their approved farms, ranches, stores and restaurants.
B-1 83
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Something doesn't add up. Of all the Amish communities that sell/share food, why this one?
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
MarkTwain
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B-1 83 said:

Something doesn't add up. Of all the Amish communities that sell/share food, why this one?
Here you go read the defense brief

https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com/post/5309392/amos-miller-defense-brief
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Link doesn't work
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com/post/5309392/amos-miller-defense-brief
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Best I can tell from the brief, is the the PA Dept Ag is trying to enforce retail food laws at a Farm.Pennsylvania's laws start at the retail shelf, not the farmer's fridge. Pure Food Laws, 1915 WL 5059 (Pa.Att'y Gen. Nov. 19, 1915).

Sounds to me like the government is trying to criminalize all food production outside of approved government processing facilities. This is the final stage of a long war by Big Ag Food Processors and their government puppets to destroy family farms and wholesome food production. The average US Citizen's health problems and physical shortcomings for the most part be traced back to processed food and preservatives. One of the top two contributing factors to obesity in the US is Fructose, number one being lack of self control.

Imagine being able to riot, commit arson, destroy public/federal property, or engage in any number of destructive, dangerous criminal acts and receive, at most, a slap on the wrist. But God help you if you're caught with a gallon of unpasteurized milk.
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This pisses me off way more than it probably should. ****in raw milk. I should've known.
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BigRobSA said:

MemphisAg1 said:

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If you're producing strictly for yourself, government should stay out of it.

If you're selling to others, that's a different story.


Even if you're selling to others, govt can go F itself.
Lol, I appreciate the FDA for the food I buy that's mass-produced and sold in the grocery store.

Not interested in e coli, listeria, botulism, and you name it.

Local producers however, a different game... "caveat emptor"
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Shocking, another overreach from a federal 3 letter agency. Don't worry about the boatloads of fentanyl, illegals, and terrorists pouring across an open border unchecked, let's get those damn Amish farmers…..and those MAGA Catholics….and those bigoted concerned parents at school board meeting. Hey Feds….F…U.
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MemphisAg1 said:

BigRobSA said:

MemphisAg1 said:

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If you're producing strictly for yourself, government should stay out of it.

If you're selling to others, that's a different story.


Even if you're selling to others, govt can go F itself.
Lol, I appreciate the FDA for the food I buy that's mass-produced and sold in the grocery store.

Not interested in e coli, listeria, botulism, and you name it.

Local producers however, a different game... "caveat emptor"



Oh, I'm sorry, I thought this was America!?!?!?!
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Undocumented food. Send it to New York and Chicago.
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C@LAg said:

MemphisAg1 said:

BigRobSA said:

MemphisAg1 said:

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If you're producing strictly for yourself, government should stay out of it.

If you're selling to others, that's a different story.


Even if you're selling to others, govt can go F itself.
Lol, I appreciate the FDA for the food I buy that's mass-produced and sold in the grocery store.

Not interested in e coli, listeria, botulism, and you name it.

Local producers however, a different game... "caveat emptor"
you mean this list of 89 pages worth of food recalls from mass-production companies?

https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts
That's because those idiots didn't follow FDA requirements!
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IIRC, this is about someone who was selling raw milk, Being Amish has nothing to do with the state's objection.

Raw, unpasteurized milk, is a great source of e.coli and brucellosis, the former can kill you, the latter can cause spontaneous abortions and years-long health problems..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brucellosis

IMO, you are foolish to consume raw milk.

That should be balanced with the freedom we have in this country to be a fool, if you wish. And in the list of Terrible Things happening in our country right now, this seems to be pretty low level concern.

Unless the laws have changed in Texas, it's also illegal to sell unpasteurized milk here, as well, and I suspect the Texas Department of Health would shut you down.

However, it is not illegal to drink raw milk from your own cow. A local dairy at one time (don't know if they still do) skirted the regulation by selling shares of their cows. If you bought a share of a cow, you could collect some quantity of raw milk from them every week, legally. Because you "owned" the cow.

The Aggie running the dairy, told me his customers were from two groups: Youngsters who were into "raw" and "natural" foods, and senior citizens, who had grown up on raw milk, and preferred the taste.
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MemphisAg1 said:

C@LAg said:

MemphisAg1 said:

BigRobSA said:

MemphisAg1 said:

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If you're producing strictly for yourself, government should stay out of it.

If you're selling to others, that's a different story.


Even if you're selling to others, govt can go F itself.
Lol, I appreciate the FDA for the food I buy that's mass-produced and sold in the grocery store.

Not interested in e coli, listeria, botulism, and you name it.

Local producers however, a different game... "caveat emptor"
you mean this list of 89 pages worth of food recalls from mass-production companies?

https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts
That's because those idiots didn't follow FDA requirements!
I've been in chicken plants, the FDA is definitely valuable, going after people that eat what they grow is complete bull**** though! You're 100% right on the FDA Memphis
CanyonAg77
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Sounds to me like the government is trying to criminalize all food production outside of approved government processing facilities. This is the final stage of a long war by Big Ag Food Processors and their government puppets to destroy family farms and wholesome food production.

Or maybe....

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/02/amos-miller-is-seen-as-a-victim-of-government-overreach-but-a-top-fundraiser/

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An order by state Judge Thomas Sponaugie grants the request of the Pennsylvania Attorney General, who has a pending civil action before the court, to permanently prevent Miller and his business enterprises from selling unpasteurized, raw milk and unregulated products because he is endangering public health....

Miller further must notify his customers that his products were traced to two recent foodborne illnesses. Further, the judge ordered him to notify his customers that raw milk collected from Miller's farm on Jan. 4 under a search warrant tested positive for Listeria...+

Miller was last a defendant in a federal civil action brought after 2016 by the Department of Justice (DOJ) on behalf of USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS). The federal citation ended with Miller and his attorney signing a lengthy Consent Decree 2023 that promises compliance with food safety laws.

Miller's raw milk in 2016 was found to be genetically similar to the bacteria in two listeriosis cases, including a death case.

For a time in federal court, Miller claimed he was not subject to federal jurisdiction because he was a "sovereign citizen."

Also, this poor Amish farmer is using a GoFundMe website, and has raised about $700,000

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Miller recently wrote on his current fund-raising website: "It has been a challenging month here at the farm. We are currently not allowed to sell any raw dairy products, and it breaks our hearts that the state of Pennsylvania is forcing us to turn so many of you away when you beg us for the food you depend on for your health.

CanyonAg77
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going after people that eat what they grow is complete bull****
If he was drinking all the milk himself, the Pennsylvania Dept of Ag would not be bothering him
CanyonAg77
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Shocking, another overreach from a federal 3 letter agency.
Federal?
ShaggySLC
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CanyonAg77 said:

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Sounds to me like the government is trying to criminalize all food production outside of approved government processing facilities. This is the final stage of a long war by Big Ag Food Processors and their government puppets to destroy family farms and wholesome food production.

Or maybe....

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/02/amos-miller-is-seen-as-a-victim-of-government-overreach-but-a-top-fundraiser/

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An order by state Judge Thomas Sponaugie grants the request of the Pennsylvania Attorney General, who has a pending civil action before the court, to permanently prevent Miller and his business enterprises from selling unpasteurized, raw milk and unregulated products because he is endangering public health....

Miller further must notify his customers that his products were traced to two recent foodborne illnesses. Further, the judge ordered him to notify his customers that raw milk collected from Miller's farm on Jan. 4 under a search warrant tested positive for Listeria...+

Miller was last a defendant in a federal civil action brought after 2016 by the Department of Justice (DOJ) on behalf of USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS). The federal citation ended with Miller and his attorney signing a lengthy Consent Decree 2023 that promises compliance with food safety laws.

Miller's raw milk in 2016 was found to be genetically similar to the bacteria in two listeriosis cases, including a death case.

For a time in federal court, Miller claimed he was not subject to federal jurisdiction because he was a "sovereign citizen."

Also, this poor Amish farmer is using a GoFundMe website, and has raised about $700,000

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Miller recently wrote on his current fund-raising website: "It has been a challenging month here at the farm. We are currently not allowed to sell any raw dairy products, and it breaks our hearts that the state of Pennsylvania is forcing us to turn so many of you away when you beg us for the food you depend on for your health.


If they're selling it to the public, they should have to go through all the guidelines every other company does. I don't think anyone is arguing that.
ShaggySLC
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Agree, read the last post
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MemphisAg1 said:

Need more info.

If you're producing strictly for yourself, government should stay out of it.

If you're selling to others, that's a different story.

There are unique situations like the Amish that provide for their community. They don't ask for government assistance, and the government needs to stay out of their business.

Edit: government needs to stay out of local farmers markets too. And local lemonade stands. I guess the key word is "local."

He sells nationwide via a web site. This is not about attacking an Amish community providing for their own.

https://amosmillerorganicfarm.com/?v=1d20b5ff1ee9
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I read his web site a bit, it appears that they are trying to skirt the regulations by selling to "members only", sort of like our local dairy who sold "shares" of cows.
MarkTwain
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CanyonAg77 said:

I read his web site a bit, it appears that they are trying to skirt the regulations by selling to "members only", sort of like our local dairy who sold "shares" of cows.
Which legally makes it a Co-Op.
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