Ags4DaWin said:

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For all those who got vaccinated to "keep their job"

It would have been real interesting if everyone who didn't want the shot would have just refused to get it.

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It would be, but I think in that moment, people were just as worried about continuing their status quo and providing for their families. I don't think taking a gamble on one's livelihood (if they had a family) was a palatable option for most.
That said, I think most of them would not do it in the future. The whole thing was a once in many generations event (hopefully). Funny thing is, the flu variants change all the time and we decide for ourselves if we want to get the shot or not. We are not forced to do it. And it can spread and cause some deaths....but we still have a choice. I imagine the next COVID like epidemic will not involve forced vaccines after this last SNAFU.

I think it also depends on the fatality rate of the next epidemic. If ebola, which is significantly scarier and we have a great deal more data, started to run rampant through the U.S. I'm not sure how folks would react other than just freaking out.

Nope. I was told that if I got the shot, I wouldn't have to wear a mask. We all see how that BS worked out.

Being Anti-COVID clot-shot is NOT being an anti-vaxxer.

I never got it. Thankfully my company never pushed it and only brought it up once Biden started forcing it. Thankfully SCOTUS ruled on the issue shortly after so it never became an issue.

Only a couple people in my immediate family got it- one brother got the J&J one (never boosted) and then my sister and BIL were all about getting it and the boosters.

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That's a really good point and I for some dumbass, brain fart reason wasn't making the connection.

With all we know NOW, no I would not get it, but I also have a strong suspicion at least half of people who did wouldn't. So, I'd have other people supporting me in the fight.

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Your in the demographic that makes me the most angry. People who were essentially not given a choice. Either do this, or lose everything you have worked for.

Luckily I worked for a small enough company and was a part of a group of high-valued employees who banded together to say "no." We were able to push back, stay remote, until the company was forced to see the light. None of us ever got vax'd nor went back to the office again. As soon as the hysteria was done and logic returned, we all left the company for other companies.

Even after people were going back to the office, the leadership kept going with the non-vax'd had to wear masks at all times and had to take meetings from desks as they were not allowed in conference rooms non-vax'd. It really is disgusting how quickly people turned into authoritarian nut-jobs.

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NicosMachine said:

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I'm curious what percent of vaccinated and/or boosted persons would make a different decision with the passage of time and with the information we have now? 10%? 50%? What about the alternative? How many people who didn't get the vaccine might reconsider? Anyone?

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That's pretty much the key here.

• We NOW know the vaccines never prevented infection
• We NOW know the vaccines really don't even make it less severe
• We NOW know more about how it spreads and doesn't

With what we know now…..no.

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I think we will be far more suspicious of future assertions by "science" and "experts". We thought the vaccines prevented infection because we were told so by the "experts". We thought the vaccines made Covid less severe because the we were told so by the "experts". We were told Covid spread by surface contact and could be mitigated by masks because were told so by the "experts". Those who were suspicious of governmental agencies masquerading as experts discounted their assertions and probably didn't get the shot. This made everyone less trusting and more suspicious of the CDC, the pharma companies, and the other "experts". Not good.

I did not get the shot. My company, although liberal, did not force it.

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It would be, but I think in that moment, people were just as worried about continuing their status quo and providing for their families. I don't think taking a gamble on one's livelihood (if they had a family) was a palatable option for most.

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This is the definition of being placed under duress.

Being under duress removes one's capacity to consent.

This is the same as flashing a knife then trying to argue that sex was consensual.

People were threatened with loss of their livelihood.

People were threatened that they couldn't be around their kids.

People were threatened with loss of their freedom to travel or assemble in public.

People were threatened with being kicked out of religious organizations.

It's wild that we ever got to that point. All it took was a virus with a 0.3% IFR for fundamental human rights to go out the window, and if you dared to question it, then you were the bad guy.

Monkeypoxfighter said:

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NicosMachine said:

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I'm curious what percent of vaccinated and/or boosted persons would make a different decision with the passage of time and with the information we have now? 10%? 50%? What about the alternative? How many people who didn't get the vaccine might reconsider? Anyone?

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That's pretty much the key here.

• We NOW know the vaccines never prevented infection
• We NOW know the vaccines really don't even make it less severe
• We NOW know more about how it spreads and doesn't

With what we know now…..no.

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NOW? We knew most of this is 2020 before the narrative shifted. Those of us who paid attention from early on remember what was said from the beginning about coronavirus mutation and the idea of novel introduction via mRNA vaccines to build resistance that would take the edge off of subsequent mutations.

…and by the time the vaccines were released for consumption by healthy middle aged folks we knew everything necessary to make an educated decision about the Covid risks. The only unknowns at that point were with regard to mRNA and long-covid - but not then the vax pumpers were clearly lying and the tie breaker goes against signing up to be a lab rat.

We knew all of this on F16. And we tried to share it with F84 and elsewhere, but we kept getting deleted and banned.

TLDR: getting the shot was a function of willfully obedience.

I would never get it again and would walk from job if it became required. Having said that I never expect my current employer to require it since he is a conservative and we are a small company and I can afford to tell them to pound sand.

Wife ultimately left her company due partially to this event. She's going into business for herself.

I will never again take our healthcare experts at face value nor any vaccine. Having said that, like someone else said, I'm absolutely considering the Shingles vaccine. I'm 50 so I'm a candidate and I don't want that. It's far more serious than Covid.

For further context for this thread, there was data shared not too long ago that one of the recent boosters only had something like 5% of the population that actually got it. So it seems as if most of the population realizes it's bull**** now too.

It sounds like most people who got it would not get it again except those who may be required to do so to provide for their families. Those who got it did so based on incorrect assumptions (that were being proposed as "scientific facts") by the "scientists/experts". I've not seen anyone say they would voluntarily get it again knowing what we know now, without the threat of losing their livelihood. Keep that in mind next time we are being "mandated" to do something. If it were so good, it wouldn't have to be mandated.

It was never an argument about vaccines. It was always argument about this new, experimental, mRNA technology.

Old fashioned vaccines don't come into play.

no

Never got the shot (see other thread), and now don't trust most doctors.

I also had shingles at 45. Painful, but got thru it. Didn't even see a Dr. till the sores showed up.

I've worked at the same company now for 2.5 years. We are remote first, since before it was cool. Their only issue was that if I had to go to a client, I'd have to make a choice. 2.5 years later and still haven't had to travel anywhere.

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It would be, but I think in that moment, people were just as worried about continuing their status quo and providing for their families. I don't think taking a gamble on one's livelihood (if they had a family) was a palatable option for most.

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This is the definition of being placed under duress.

Being under duress removes one's capacity to consent.

This is the same as flashing a knife then trying to argue that sex was consensual.

People were threatened with loss of their livelihood.

People were threatened that they couldn't be around their kids.

People were threatened with loss of their freedom to travel or assemble in public.

People were threatened with being kicked out of religious organizations.

It's wild that we ever got to that point. All it took was a virus with a 0.3% IFR for fundamental human rights to go out the window, and if you dared to question it, then you were the bad guy.

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Agreed

ktownag08 said:

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don't second guess my decision as the primary breadwinner for my family.

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You should get a job that pays you in money...



...not bread.

Just a suggestion.

DallasAg 94 said:

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FYI... Shingles, German Measles, Chicken Pox, cold sores... all are the Herpes virus.

I've had Shingles, CPox, and Cold Sores. Meh... IMO, getting Shingles in college was not very bad. Personally, no interest in the Vaxx... not getting the HPV vaxx, either.

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If I'm getting the HPV vax at 50, then I'm living hard.

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Many of the same people who got the Vaxx will be the 1st to line-up for the next Vaxx.

People learn about their mistakes but are too stupid to learn from their mistakes.

The same people who said they only got it to keep their job will be the same people who get it next time to keep their job because they didn't care enough to make the changes necessary to not be vulnerable losing a single paycheck.

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Maybe. Hopefully we'll not have to deal with another event like it in our or our kids lifetimes.

But generally people, even knowing the risks to their health, livelihood etc, don't change their behaviors. People still smoke, are overweight, drink to much, etc. I don't know if its stupidity or just lack of will to have the discipline.

Never even thought about getting it. Ever. I have a working immune system. And I even dealt with COVID waste as part of my job. Knew it was a weakass virus, like the other respiratory viruses we get every couple years from....you guessed it....China.

The wildest argument for the vaccine was that 'I'm getting the vaccine to protect X, Y or Z' because XYZ is 'at risk' or otherwise immune compromised.

Your unwillingness to consent to an experimental medical intervention was somehow framed in such a way that you d be accused of actively harming others.

In hindsight, the level of psychological manipulation we saw was unbelievable. On overwhelming barrage on every front to convince people to do an act that ultimately was against their own self-interest.

There was a time where submitting to the vaccine was considered a heroic act, and a lot of children and parents got caught up in this narrative.

And then I see this in a job description today:

"In order to comply with **** company COVID-19 vaccine mandate, candidates must be able to provide proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 before or by the date of hire. Alternatively, one may submit a request for reasonable accommodation from **** COVID-19 vaccination mandate for approval, in accordance with applicable state and federal law, by the date of hire. Any request is subject to review through **** applicable processes."

I just add another company to a list of places I'll never work...

🚨The American Red Cross is now asking blood donors if they ever received the Covid vaccine

If you answer Yes, they want you to call ahead to see if you’re still eligible

I thought the vax was “safe and effective”?

What info are they hiding from us? pic.twitter.com/xmEIaHE2gN

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 20, 2024

For the 'my job made me do it' replies..

My follow-up question:

If this happened again in a month, and your employer required you to take a vaccine again, would you agree to take a vax like this again?


I am generally curious. Because if you value your family/career, is putting your health at risk a better option? I didnt think so at the time, but some obviously did. I'm curious if some still do.

Next time, there will still be mandates, there will still be societal pressure to do your part, you'll still be the breadwinner, they'll again threaten to fire you, etc...

Quit a job I hated and took three years off. Enjoyed restoring an old Airstream and working at our cabin in the woods. No regrets.

Cruiser87 said:

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And then I see this in a job description today:

"In order to comply with **** company COVID-19 vaccine mandate, candidates must be able to provide proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 before or by the date of hire. Alternatively, one may submit a request for reasonable accommodation from **** COVID-19 vaccination mandate for approval, in accordance with applicable state and federal law, by the date of hire. Any request is subject to review through **** applicable processes."

I just add another company to a list of places I'll never work...

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Turned down a job offer last summer because they worked under CDC guidelines since they had contracts with FedGov and that required "the shot". The headhunter hid that until the very end. "Oh, no thank you. I don't want to die."

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Turned down a job offer last summer because they worked under CDC guidelines since they had contracts with FedGov and that required "the shot". The headhunter hid that until the very end. "Oh, no thank you. I don't want to die."

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Thing is, there was a flow-down of requirements for the contractors sub-contractors, etc.

You'd be hard pressed to find many companies that weren't somewhere down the line from a Fed contract/contractor in some way. Think of one contractor who has 30 suppliers, who each have 30 suppliers, etc.

We realized this at my company a few years ago when the mandates happened, and we started getting notices from customers. Some companies complied, some didnt.

No.

Broncos said:

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🚨The American Red Cross is now asking blood donors if they ever received the Covid vaccine

If you answer Yes, they want you to call ahead to see if you’re still eligible

I thought the vax was “safe and effective”?

What info are they hiding from us? pic.twitter.com/xmEIaHE2gN

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 20, 2024

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That is very interesting. I wonder if they have seen something from vaxed blood donations ? ? ?

Broncos said:

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🚨The American Red Cross is now asking blood donors if they ever received the Covid vaccine

If you answer Yes, they want you to call ahead to see if you’re still eligible

I thought the vax was “safe and effective”?

What info are they hiding from us? pic.twitter.com/xmEIaHE2gN

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) February 20, 2024

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we got gold in them veins boys. keep your pure status on the downlow.

I got it and have no regrets. Will I get boosted? Likely not given the strains have become less and less nasty over time.

e=mc2 said:

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MooreTrucker said:

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Eh, I got it and all the boosters. I had COVID (I think...it was Jan 2, 2020) before anyone knew what it was and haven't had any issues since. I also get a flu shot every year. I just don't get the uproar over a little shot.

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Boy, you really bought into the BS. Figures. Good luck down the road.

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Boy, you're really judgy. Good luck with that as well.

I just figure it's NBD, certainly not big enough to get so worked up over.