Again, nothing about the raid, and then we are back to Trump being incompetent with the handling of the "binder" (I think there are 2 different things, one related to the Russiagate scandal internally for the CIA(maybe, might be a different agency) and one that is this "proof of wrongdoing" that Trump supposedly had). If you buy that, then he was incompetent and completely mishandled that "proof". In no way is this a good report for Trump. At best, it is damning of both parties.

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I'm sick of the promise of evidence. At some point you have to just ignore Lucy instead of trying to kick the football for the umpteenth time. When do we decide that we say put up or shut up?

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"Trust Trump's Plan"

"Trust the Plan"

Q Day 2302

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The people writing about this are liberals. They are not Trump people at all.

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here we are 4 years removed and Trump has never once provided a single piece of evidence for all of his bloviating. but, that's because he had a magic binder stolen from him.

good lord. get a grip.

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You don't understand what is being alleged. There's plenty of evidence for the basic structure of the narrative but also still many gaps to keep looking into or it will never be more than a theory.

Hey Georgi, how was the Fani fiasco covered yesterday?

She looked like she was PO'd from the time she sat down on the chair. It wouldn't have surprised me if she dressed down the judge like she did opposing counsel.

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Again, nothing about the raid, and then we are back to Trump being incompetent with the handling of the "binder" (I think there are 2 different things, one related to the Russiagate scandal internally for the CIA(maybe, might be a different agency) and one that is this "proof of wrongdoing" that Trump supposedly had). If you buy that, then he was incompetent and completely mishandled that "proof". In no way is this a good report for Trump. At best, it is damning of both parties.

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I always need to remember... nm not worth it.

People see Trump and they are gonna hate!

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oldcrow91 said:

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Trump was president when he had this file.

He could have declassified whatever it was. So why not.

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Maybe you missed the several times he tried to do that with different bits of info. Christopher Wray and others blocked him or left things heavily redacted.

It's like some of you have forgotten how everything he did was pushed back against and he was threatened with "OBSTRUCTION!" every time he sneezed. For ****'s sake, he was impeached twice for things he didn't even do. He is facing all kinds of charges and lawsuits on made up bull*****

Y'all are completely desensitized to what we have watched the government do to him since 2015 or so.

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You have evidence that Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian disinformation?

NO

Ok. Thanks.

Nope, not disinformation. Just that it doesn't prove what the MAGA crowd says it does.

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Nope, not disinformation. Just that it doesn't prove what the MAGA crowd says it does.

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It doesn't? How do you know? Our media hasn't even covered it.

Sorry, but all of the promises and excuses have grown stale. It's been put up or shut up time for a while. Yes, the collusion of the deep state with the Democratic party is a thing, but it has been used as the excuse for Trump's mishandling the situation for too long with too little evidence. Occam's razor points to both sides being a problem.

If the assertion is that Trump really had the evidence he needed and has for 4 years, then the only logical conclusions are either
1. Someone is full of **** (and Trump is well documented for saying all sorts of things that have no basis in reality, why would this be any different)
2. He pissed away the biggest opportunity to "drain the swamp" anyone could have given anyone on a silver platter.


Tell me how either one of those is a positive for Trump?

Of course it has been covered in the media. In fact it benefited from initial attempts to downplay it via the Streisand Effect.

No serious person can deny that the Federal Government aligned itself against Trump from the moment he "came down the escalators."

The issue here is that this scenario of there being some secret binder out that that is the smoking gun to explain all of this, but Trump does not have that sucker under lock and key is not plausible.

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If the story were true, it would mean trump had just lost an election, was deep in the middle of trying to overturn his loss, had nothing left to lose if he went nuclear, was holding proof that the government had conspired against him, and had the authority to share that proof with the world… And then just didn't?

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Having evidence of treason and the ability to carry out swift Justice, yet he did nothing?

IF the binder story is true, this makes him the BIGGEST FAILURE to EVER occupy the White House, period end of story. Words to describe him (if he did nothing) = con-man, failure, controlled opposition, piece of ****, traitor, scumbag, incompetent to the highest order, etc.


If this is true, I don't know why anyone would think he would be fit to serve again......we'd be better off if he was hanging from a lamppost.

Yeah, I think this might be conjecture that standard records keeping for the type of intelligence activity that would be required to coordinate what is alleged would mean such a record exists or at least once existed. Apparently a rumor or leak was let out that that is being looked for internally, or withheld from a lawful inquiry and the presumption is because the record that is required to exist is not being provided by a lawful inquiry, that it is missing.

Lots of unknowns here. Interesting theory but too much conjecture at this point.

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If the story were true, it would mean trump had just lost an election, was deep in the middle of trying to overturn his loss, had nothing left to lose if he went nuclear, was holding proof that the government had conspired against him, and had the authority to share that proof with the world… And then just didn't?

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Having evidence of treason and the ability to carry out swift Justice, yet he did nothing?

IF the binder story is true, this makes him the BIGGEST FAILURE to EVER occupy the White House, period end of story. Words to describe him (if he did nothing) = con-man, failure, controlled opposition, piece of ****, traitor, scumbag, incompetent to the highest order, etc.


If this is true, I don't know why anyone would think he would be fit to serve again......we'd be better off if he was hanging from a lamppost.

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Be clear. Who should be hung from a lamppost?

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Sorry, but all of the promises and excuses have grown stale. It's been put up or shut up time for a while. Yes, the collusion of the deep state with the Democratic party is a thing, but it has been used as the excuse for Trump's mishandling the situation for too long with too little evidence. Occam's razor points to both sides being a problem.

If the assertion is that Trump really had the evidence he needed and has for 4 years, then the only logical conclusions are either
1. Someone is full of **** (and Trump is well documented for saying all sorts of things that have no basis in reality, why would this be any different)
2. He pissed away the biggest opportunity to "drain the swamp" anyone could have given anyone on a silver platter.


Tell me how either one of those is a positive for Trump?

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So you believe the first and second impeachments of Trump were based on concrete evidence?

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Trump was president when he had this file.

He could have declassified whatever it was. So why not.

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Maybe you missed the several times he tried to do that with different bits of info. Christopher Wray and others blocked him or left things heavily redacted.

It's like some of you have forgotten how everything he did was pushed back against and he was threatened with "OBSTRUCTION!" every time he sneezed. For ****'s sake, he was impeached twice for things he didn't even do. He is facing all kinds of charges and lawsuits on made up bull*****

Y'all are completely desensitized to what we have watched the government do to him since 2015 or so.

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In the effort of being fair, which I don't necessarily support since it's their job to be informed, it's entirely possible they literally don't know some of the details of this case, or any other issues they're writing about.

Which is, of course, the reason the Dems restrict, delete, remove, indict, etc.. The less the voters know, the more they can count on voters voting for slavery and rape, which is what our government is supporting, and therefore, we're supporting. The very biggest voting bloc for the Dems are women, especially black women. I can't IMAGINE black women voting for slavery for children and women on our border just because they hate someone personally.

OTOH, they get what they deserve. Unfortunately, we have to live with the laws the jackasses they vote for pass every two years.

Where did I say anywhere that the left had a valid point? There is so much incompetence and self-interest involved in this that there is plenty to spread around. This is not a binary "him good, them bad" situation.

The left being bad does not mean Trump is good. That is the only thing we have at this point as a "selling point", and you have to buy into a false dichotomy for it to actually be true.

Like you said earlier its Schrodinger's Trump. He is both omnipotent or impotent depending on what they need him to be at that point in time. If that doesn't work scream TDS and yell about liberals and deflect.

Amazing to me how one can assume the OP to be true ("even if it's true") and then use it to knock Trump but leave the deep state and their accomplices entirely untouched.

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If he had evidence at Mar A Lago… (a) why didn't he already use it, (b) why didn't he have 20+ backups, and (c) how did he let some else both find out about it then take it away when he could have put it in a literal vault if it were so important? It's all to convenient. And frankly smells like Q.

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Money and leverage.

I do not believe it or not believe it, just a thought.

You have all that on those people, you can make some cash, from Government and the actual people

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Mar A Lago was searched in order to seize a "binder" that will show John Brennan, the CIA, FBI, Hillary Clinton campaign, foreign actors, FISA courts, MSM, the entire deep state of Government, etc, have all been involved since 2015 in taking down Donald Trump to insure he would never be President. The pee tape, crossfire hurricane, Mar A Lago, both impeachment efforts, all the lawfare, etc. In summary, virtually every attack on Trump was initiated or carried out by the US Government with the help of non-govt people. Also, Ukraine is receiving billions to keep them quiet about the Biden's bribery. Before Trump the Dems loved Russia not Ukraine. After the onset of Trump they completely switched, loving Ukraine and hating Russia. Trump makes the "perfect call" about all this to Ukraine and the Dems try to impeach him on it. Every one of these actions are not separate. They all were done for one thing, taking down Trump. Bongino says it is the greatest scandal in US history. All coming together thru sources relied on by journalists Matt Taibi, and two other journalists whose names escape me now, a male and a female reporter.

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This is the biggest scandal in US history?


Christ…people have lost all sense of proportionality

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This is the biggest scandal in US history?


Christ…people have lost all sense of proportionality

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Illegally spying on a US citizen/President and thwarting his agenda (the voters' agenda) for 4 years wouldn't be the biggest scandal in American history to you? What would?

We know Russian collusion was a hoax. It did derail most of Trump's four years. Where is the "loss of proportionality/"

I'd rate teapot dome, selling weapons to the Iranians, and the XYZ affair above something that hasn't even been proven in court.

Is this entire thread pretending Crossfire Hurricane never occurred?

Are we pretending we didn't already know Five Eyes was utilized to surveil Trump Campaign associates?

Are we pretending Carter Page and George Papadopoulos did not have multiple intelligence operations and assets run against them and multiple illegal FISA renewals?

Are we pretending Mike Rogers as Director of NSA did not meet with Trump at Trump Tower, and that exact same day Trump moves his transition office offsite and DNI Clapper and Sec Def Carter requested Obama fire Rogers?

Are we pretending the Clinton Campaign didn't pay for the Steele Dossier and that the FBI didn't know the entire time that the Clinton Campaign paid for it?

Are we pretending the Clinton Campaign didn't pay for the Alpha Bank Hoax claiming a link between Russia and a server in Trump Tower?

Are we pretending John Brennan didn't brief Obama in July 2016 on the Clinton Campaign's plan to vilify Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services?

Are we pretending the FBI didn't know the primary source used by Christopher Steele was a Russian asset despite the FBI investigating the source twice for being a Russian spy?

The only thing this new reporting states is the Five Eyes spying on 26 Trump associates was instigated by the CIA and there are documents outlining this and whatever came after it on their end. The old understanding was the FBI started Crossfire Hurricane after being approached by foreign governments with intelligence that Trump was colluding with Russia.

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So the biggest scandal in US history was contained in a single binder where the FBI could get it? Not on several flash drives in numerous locations?

And classified doesn't mean anything to the sitting US President. He could have exposed all of this January 19th. Why didn't he?

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I appreciate the old school touch of putting it in a binder of all things. It's more relatable to the older crowd.

When Trump was president, they had many articles on how evil Ukraine was. That Trump was colluding.

They will say whatever goes against Trump.

It's almost laughable if it weren't so ****ed up.

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Yesterday said:

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So the biggest scandal in US history was contained in a single binder where the FBI could get it? Not on several flash drives in numerous locations?

And classified doesn't mean anything to the sitting US President. He could have exposed all of this January 19th. Why didn't he?

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I appreciate the old school touch of putting it in a binder of all things. It's more relatable to the older crowd.

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Hey remember the binders of women?

It won't do any good, but if Durham was an independent counsel instead of a special counsel, you'd have your proof. Bet my life on it.

Garland wasn't about to allow Durham to include anything that either answered questions he didn't want answered.

Any corruption involving five agencies, two sitting presidents, a past president, and a vice president, would easily be the biggest scandal.

We could have video of all of the Democrats/communists involved in this releasing VX gas on Trump and it's highly likely you wouldn't have a problem with it, nor would any other waste of skin.

No honest journalism from the left, and now you are complaining about leftist journalists finally reporting.

All those words for nothing.