When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…..even the most socially liberal will became fiscally conservative

BillYeoman said:

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When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…..even the most socially liberal will became fiscally conservative

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You think too highly of liberals if you ever think they will ever figure that out.

bigjag19 said:

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Exactly. Socially liberal programs cost money.

I don't care what someone does with themself if it doesn't harm others. But I also don't want to pay for any of it either.

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Why does socially liberal culture have to cost money? It only costs money if government is pushing the socially liberal agenda onto the populace rather than getting out of the way and letting it happen naturally. But of course we know our current government can't keep their hands out of everything…

To play devils advocate, it costs money using government to prevent socially liberal activity, which essentially is enacting socially conservative policy. Unless society becomes moral where the need for government enforcement against socially liberal activities is unnecessary, but we know our society has devolved for the worse.

Quite a paradox from a fiscal perspective.

Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…

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When we're spending $7 trillion per year, a few billions sure are a convenient scapegoat that the olds can point to so as to not think about the massive entitlements.

It's time for Boomers to surrender their entitlements.

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Not sure how this is a "Boomer" issue.

A few billion eventually add up to trillions

BillYeoman said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…

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When we're spending $7 trillion per year, a few billions sure are a convenient scapegoat that the olds can point to so as to not think about the massive entitlements.

It's time for Boomers to surrender their entitlements.

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Not sure how this is a "Boomer" issue.

A few billion eventually add up to trillions

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Boomers have been in leadership the longest and have expanded our government's deficit through entitlements. Increasing numbers draw from Social Security and Medicare.

We are nowhere near trillions of dollars for the foreign military aid going on today. That is a copout to avoid addressing the actual problems with government spending.

Boomers should give up their benefits for the good of the country.

Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…

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When we're spending $7 trillion per year, a few billions sure are a convenient scapegoat that the olds can point to so as to not think about the massive entitlements.

It's time for Boomers to surrender their entitlements.

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Fine, make me surrender my SS and take away my medicare. I'm not sure how insurable I am on the open market anymore. And I'd suggest for you working people raise the high marginal rate to about 45%. We have to pay this national debt off somehow.

Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…

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When we're spending $7 trillion per year, a few billions sure are a convenient scapegoat that the olds can point to so as to not think about the massive entitlements.

It's time for Boomers to surrender their entitlements.

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Not sure how this is a "Boomer" issue.

A few billion eventually add up to trillions

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Boomers have been in leadership the longest and have expanded our government's deficit through entitlements. Increasing numbers draw from Social Security and Medicare.

We are nowhere near trillions of dollars for the foreign military aid going on today. That is a copout to avoid addressing the actual problems with government spending.

Boomers should give up their benefits for the good of the country.

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Whoa, whoa. I'm a millenial and the boomers have straight up screwed us politically, but the bolded is nonsense.

A lot depends on what you mean by socially liberal. For some it means what happens between consenting adults is acceptable. That would mean acceptance of gay marriage, drug liberalization, etc.

For others, it means a very large safety net. I think most/all of those described in the first are the former. As someone said, that tends to be a Libertarian.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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DrEvazanPhD said:

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Depends on which one of those you vote for.

I largely didn't care what people did so long as it didn't affect me. But I always voted by my wallet.

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People are stupid and don't vote with their wallet anymore.

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Or they do and you just disagree with their vote.

AggieVictor10 said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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DrEvazanPhD said:

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Depends on which one of those you vote for.

I largely didn't care what people did so long as it didn't affect me. But I always voted by my wallet.

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People are stupid and don't vote with their wallet anymore.

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Or they do and you just disagree with their vote.

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No, not really. Most people care about social issues over that and then wonder why their wallets aren't doing too well.

bigjag19 said:

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Exactly. Socially liberal programs cost money.

I don't care what someone does with themselves if it doesn't harm others. But I also don't want to pay for any of it either.

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I consider ANYTHING that costs tax payer money to be a fiscal issue. I consider myself to be OP's title(though I've gotten more socially conservative thanks to the DEI madness and I've always been conception based pro-life). I do find that some morality decisions cannot be legislated and enforced fairly across the whole population.

"Socially liberal but fiscally conservative" = "I'm a hedonist."

I would argue there are no more fiscally conservative Conservatives or Liberals

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…

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When we're spending $7 trillion per year, a few billions sure are a convenient scapegoat that the olds can point to so as to not think about the massive entitlements.

It's time for Boomers to surrender their entitlements.

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Not sure how this is a "Boomer" issue.

A few billion eventually add up to trillions

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Boomers have been in leadership the longest and have expanded our government's deficit through entitlements. Increasing numbers draw from Social Security and Medicare.

We are nowhere near trillions of dollars for the foreign military aid going on today. That is a copout to avoid addressing the actual problems with government spending.

Boomers should give up their benefits for the good of the country.

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Whoa, whoa. I'm a millenial and the boomers have straight up screwed us politically, but the bolded is nonsense.

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Why not? They care about the federal spending, don't they?

I just conclude that anyone who claims to be a social liberal/fiscal conservative is one of two things; dishonest (to themselves as much as anyone else) or a shallow thinker because they haven't thought deep enough to see the contradiction in their position and should therefore not be taken seriously.

American Hardwood said:

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I just conclude that anyone who claims to be a social liberal/fiscal conservative is one of two things; dishonest (to themselves as much as anyone else) or a shallow thinker because they haven't thought deep enough to see the contradiction in their position and should therefore not be taken seriously.

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…

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When we're spending $7 trillion per year, a few billions sure are a convenient scapegoat that the olds can point to so as to not think about the massive entitlements.

It's time for Boomers to surrender their entitlements.

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Not sure how this is a "Boomer" issue.

A few billion eventually add up to trillions

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Boomers have been in leadership the longest and have expanded our government's deficit through entitlements. Increasing numbers draw from Social Security and Medicare.

We are nowhere near trillions of dollars for the foreign military aid going on today. That is a copout to avoid addressing the actual problems with government spending.

Boomers should give up their benefits for the good of the country.

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Whoa, whoa. I'm a millenial and the boomers have straight up screwed us politically, but the bolded is nonsense.

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Why not? They care about the federal spending, don't they?

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Nobody has any right to take their money that they worked so hard for. You sound like a socialist.

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Oh, how the tune changes when it's the entitlements on the line.

montanagriz said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…

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When we're spending $7 trillion per year, a few billions sure are a convenient scapegoat that the olds can point to so as to not think about the massive entitlements.

It's time for Boomers to surrender their entitlements.

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Not sure how this is a "Boomer" issue.

A few billion eventually add up to trillions

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Boomers have been in leadership the longest and have expanded our government's deficit through entitlements. Increasing numbers draw from Social Security and Medicare.

We are nowhere near trillions of dollars for the foreign military aid going on today. That is a copout to avoid addressing the actual problems with government spending.

Boomers should give up their benefits for the good of the country.

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I think people should get back what they paid in, accounting for inflation at the very least but should include an 8% yearly growth on what was paid.

Pay everybody back on SS and then end SS and i agree with you. However, i damn sure want the money i paid in to SS since SS was supposed to be govt protecting its citizens by forcing them to save money back through this program

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Considering there is a very real likelihood for SS and similar benefits to be insolvent for future generations, I think boomers should feel the pain of their policies now. They're extremely concerned with a few billion dollars and could solve a lot of our government overspending issues by not getting their benefits, thereby saving trillions.

Surely they would rather save the country's finances than retire and live off younger generations' tax dollars, right? They sure don't want to reform any entitlements, as they've had plenty of opportunities to do so, and they are definitely concerned about marginal spending to fund war supplies for allies. The reel big fish would be SS and Medicare.

Boomers should forgo those for the good of the country they so patriotically care about.

In this day and age I dont really see why social issues should even exist in government.

Waffledynamics said:

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montanagriz said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…

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When we're spending $7 trillion per year, a few billions sure are a convenient scapegoat that the olds can point to so as to not think about the massive entitlements.

It's time for Boomers to surrender their entitlements.

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Not sure how this is a "Boomer" issue.

A few billion eventually add up to trillions

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Boomers have been in leadership the longest and have expanded our government's deficit through entitlements. Increasing numbers draw from Social Security and Medicare.

We are nowhere near trillions of dollars for the foreign military aid going on today. That is a copout to avoid addressing the actual problems with government spending.

Boomers should give up their benefits for the good of the country.

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I think people should get back what they paid in, accounting for inflation at the very least but should include an 8% yearly growth on what was paid.

Pay everybody back on SS and then end SS and i agree with you. However, i damn sure want the money i paid in to SS since SS was supposed to be govt protecting its citizens by forcing them to save money back through this program

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Considering there is a very real likelihood for SS and similar benefits to be insolvent for future generations, I think boomers should feel the pain of their policies now. They're extremely concerned with a few billion dollars and could solve a lot of our government overspending issues by not getting their benefits, thereby saving trillions.

Surely they would rather save the country's finances than retire and live off younger generations' tax dollars, right? They sure don't want to reform any entitlements, as they've had plenty of opportunities to do so, and they are definitely concerned about marginal spending to fund war supplies for allies. The reel big fish would be SS and Medicare.

Boomers should forgo those for the good of the country they so patriotically care about.

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Im guessing you are in your 20s and dint have much paid into SS? We are going to have to disagree with your logic by "punishing" the boomers. How about the govt be fiscally responsible and not waste money with govt pensions and sending to overseas countries? The govt give us back money we were forced to pay in for our retirement. Then do away with SS going forward and other programs.

Let communities, charities, and churches fill the natural role of caretaker

American Hardwood said:

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I just conclude that anyone who claims to be a social liberal/fiscal conservative is one of two things; dishonest (to themselves as much as anyone else) or a shallow thinker because they haven't thought deep enough to see the contradiction in their position and should therefore not be taken seriously.

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You think it's impossible to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative?

Or do you think there is some underlying issue with our political structure or human nature that prevents such a combination from being viable long term?

There is a whole lot more to being "socially liberal" than those few issues. Makes you sound more like a libertarian than a SLFC

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative means end nanny state above all else.

You can certainly be socially liberal (ie., a desire to keep government interference out of our lives, bedrooms, etc.) and be fiscally conservative (keep the government out of our pocket book to fund a perversion of the parenthetical above). It is called being a Libertarian.

montanagriz said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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montanagriz said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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BillYeoman said:

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When billions of dollars go to wars abroad and our Republicans and Dem politicians tie border enforcement to said billions…

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When we're spending $7 trillion per year, a few billions sure are a convenient scapegoat that the olds can point to so as to not think about the massive entitlements.

It's time for Boomers to surrender their entitlements.

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Not sure how this is a "Boomer" issue.

A few billion eventually add up to trillions

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Boomers have been in leadership the longest and have expanded our government's deficit through entitlements. Increasing numbers draw from Social Security and Medicare.

We are nowhere near trillions of dollars for the foreign military aid going on today. That is a copout to avoid addressing the actual problems with government spending.

Boomers should give up their benefits for the good of the country.

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I think people should get back what they paid in, accounting for inflation at the very least but should include an 8% yearly growth on what was paid.

Pay everybody back on SS and then end SS and i agree with you. However, i damn sure want the money i paid in to SS since SS was supposed to be govt protecting its citizens by forcing them to save money back through this program

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Considering there is a very real likelihood for SS and similar benefits to be insolvent for future generations, I think boomers should feel the pain of their policies now. They're extremely concerned with a few billion dollars and could solve a lot of our government overspending issues by not getting their benefits, thereby saving trillions.

Surely they would rather save the country's finances than retire and live off younger generations' tax dollars, right? They sure don't want to reform any entitlements, as they've had plenty of opportunities to do so, and they are definitely concerned about marginal spending to fund war supplies for allies. The reel big fish would be SS and Medicare.

Boomers should forgo those for the good of the country they so patriotically care about.

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Im guessing you are in your 20s and dint have much paid into SS? We are going to have to disagree with your logic by "punishing" the boomers. How about the govt be fiscally responsible and not waste money with govt pensions and sending to overseas countries? The govt give us back money we were forced to pay in for our retirement. Then do away with SS going forward and other programs.

Let communities, charities, and churches fill the natural role of caretaker

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I am not in my 20s. I'm older than that.

Did you ignore the pie chart early in the quote thread? Health and Social Security are more than half of the budget. The other stuff you mentioned doesn't even come close to solving anything. I'll post that pie chart again.



Interesting that it'll be fine for people who've paid into SS to cash out, and then we can screw the younger generations by ending it. What patriotism. Their children will have to deal with the hardships of the spending, but boomers should be exempt. Also interesting that we can't address the biggest parts of the federal spending. No, no, that would be too much. Better snip around some margins and not actually address root causes. For the good of the country, of course.