Wasn't there quite a bit of wrangling going on with the formation of the committee? I seem to recall there was, but my memory sucks.

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Why won't you watch this carefully orchestrated piece of fiction, bro? You skeered or something?

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But this is their game. It's not all fiction. It is, however, a one-sided view that pictures the events through a single, blue shaded lenz that spins facts of the day from one perspective only, and conveniently omits other facts and data that would undermine the overall objective and narrative... That Trump is an evil authoritarian.

The surprise is that folks like Kracken are so engrained in their distaste for Trump, that they soak up the one-sided narrative. It agrees with their predisposed perception of Trump, and as such, they exhibit zero interest as to investigating whether there's more to the story.

Kind of like Paul Harvey's "The Rest of the Story", an initial set of facts can lead you to an opinion of an outcome, but when you learn the rest of the story - ie. the bigger picture -, the outcome is decidedly different than what you first thought. The problem is that so many are willing to learn half the story and then shut it down, having no curiosity to learn anything more.

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Wasn't there quite a bit of wrangling going on with the formation of the committee? I seem to recall there was, but my memory sucks.

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Yes. Pelosi wouldn't let republicans choose any members, which has never been done before. That's how Kinzinger and Cheney ended up on the committee.

Of course because this was in no way a fact-finding committee. This committee was formed only for propaganda purposes, just like Trump's impeachments. The whole J6 episode was propaganda kicked off by the establishment. They have done nothing but lie from its inception.

Ray Epps!

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Very good points. I have never supported or sided with the democratic narratives and just because someone propose a critical consideration, it does not mean it denotes support. People perceive it that way because it doesn't blindly agree with their take without question. But again, this was an excellent response and much appreciated.

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I perceive it the way I perceive it because it was set up in a biased manner from the start. And they violated people's constitution rights. We are headed on a collision course with marxism and some of you are screeching for full throttle, completely blind to our destination.

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give the House of Representatives a chance to second guess the will of the American people.

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the will of the people... damn pravda has ****ed up peoples' brains with tds infection so badly they can't see how ****ed up mass mailed chaos and 81 million votes is a ****ing joke of a mickey mouse banana republic phony election.

i'm so glad we have "republicans" here instructing everyone to watch a "democracy on trial" propaganda mockumentary about how strong Jack Smith's case is. any good republican knows how important it is for our democracy to make sure we imprison the leading candidate that opposes the regime.

I haven't seen it yet, but will get around to it soon.

Does it talk at all about the whole impetus for the Jan 6 gathering was all the shady vote tabulation that was going on in places like Georgia and Michigan? And about how we had all these COVID voting rules in place that brought doubt upon the vote tallies?

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What did you think of Arizona House Soeaker Rusty Bowers' story? How about Trump's last AG Jeffrey Rosen and assistant Richard Donoghue?

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...or how about the part where they centered around the chairman and his growing up during the civil rights protests and how January 6th hit him especially hard because of the racism. Or the part about the "highly revered" republican Liz Cheney who is Republican royalty...

Drop the theatrics and the production value and just show the American people the hard evidence showing money moving, planning/orchestration, and mission details and then we can get to the level of insurrection. Where we are at still today is "muh feels", "he's an idiot", civil disobedience, etc. The bar is, as it should be, higher for a high crime like treason, sedition, and insurrection.

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What did you think of Arizona House Soeaker Rusty Bowers' story? How about Trump's last AG Jeffrey Rosen and assistant Richard Donoghue?

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Not much. Bowers may have been a Trump supporter but he's also beholden to the McCain Machine.

And BTW, Rosen and Donoghue are refusing to testify (due to DOJ) in the Georgia case against Clark. They refused to give any testimony during the special grand jury too.

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Very good points. I have never supported or sided with the democratic narratives and just because someone propose a critical consideration, it does not mean it denotes support. People perceive it that way because it doesn't blindly agree with their take without question. But again, this was an excellent response and much appreciated.

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I perceive it the way I perceive it because it was set up in a biased manner from the start. And they violated people's constitution rights. We are headed on a collision course with marxism and some of you are screeching for full throttle, completely blind to our destination.

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Tell you what, we can meet back here this time next year...and I'll bet we don't have a marxist government. People scream marxism these days about everything the same way the left screams racism about everything. Are there some examples that might be comparable, sure but that does make everything defined by it. As far as I can tell, capitalism is still chugging along fine.
If we were Marxist, then Zuckerberg wouldn't have just made $30 billion or he would have handed it over to the government.

Not jumping on the "everything sucks and is on fire" extremism train doesn't make some one blindly moving toward some dark destination. The border is a big cluster f, inflation is still an issue, and taxes and health care costs need to be addressed. I will vote for Trump and straight ticket R's in the next midterm. I don't have to believe everything they're convincing you to believe in order to still move us away from continuing the move left.

Funny thing is, 4 years ago people were giving other people grief about voting with their emotions...but that's exactly what some of the candidates have gotten people to do. Stoke the fear and convince you that the world is ending if you don't vote for them. And then they get into office and do some good things but nothing on the order of what you would have thought based on all that fear mongering.

When Trump wins, he'll likely do some good things, he won't 'drain' anything and we'll be better off that we are now, but that will just bring us back to where we were in the early 2000's. The pendulum always corrects toward the middle....like it or not. If you expect it to only correct to the far right, you've got to get rid of alot of voters.

A bit of a segue here, but it is important if you watch the documentary.

• As I mentioned above, when you are fed backgrounds of individuals participating, pay attention to the setup. The documentary is already setting up a narrative. How can we not take this serious because we have both sides represented and look at all these "highly respected" members of Trump's own party. (Respected by who? The left and the establishment)
• Also just had to bring in racism and the confederate flag and how a black man from the civil rights era is especially adapted to lead this because this is the same thing.....but it is not.
• The music, the imagery, the pauses, the production....it is all done in a way to invoke a very specific reaction/feeling. Disagree? Ever heard the jaws theme?

Just a one-sided show-trial like the impeachments followed by this documentary looking to reiterate the same narrative under the lie of objectivism.

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A bit of a segue here, but it is important if you watch the documentary.

• As I mentioned above, when you are fed backgrounds of individuals participating, pay attention to the setup. The documentary is already setting up a narrative. How can we not take this serious because we have both sides represented and look at all these "highly respected" members of Trump's own party. (Respected by who? The left and the establishment)
• Also just had to bring in racism and the confederate flag and how a black man from the civil rights era is especially adapted to lead this because this is the same thing.....but it is not.
• The music, the imagery, the pauses, the production....it is all done in a way to invoke a very specific reaction/feeling. Disagree? Ever heard the jaws theme?

Just a one-sided show-trial like the impeachments followed by this documentary looking to reiterate the same narrative under the lie of objectivism.

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What particularly galled me was Barr talking about looking into the Dominion stuff after the election. A federal judge had ruled in October 2020, before the election, that the Dominion system was a POS and easily hackable. The late big spike for Biden strongly suggesed something had happened. Barr did not look at squat by design.

And while you are here, I don't know if you saw my post about the pleadings recently filed in Curling bu Dominion is claiming that there recent software, 5.17 (which is out of sequence with the 5.5 suite that GA currently uses) would require a complete revamp of the entire system, down to BIOS and chip level to reconfigure and change ou equipment. So they cannot possibly do that before the 2024 general but trust us, all of the problems in the current system will be fixed by version 5.17.

Plaintiffs' response? Then show it to us so we can use our experts to test it. Dominion: No. Just trust us.

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And while you are here, I don't know if you saw my post about the pleadings recently filed in Curling bu Dominion is claiming that there recent software, 5.17 (which is out of sequence with the 5.5 suite that GA currently uses) would require a complete revamp of the entire system, down to BIOS and chip level to reconfigure and change ou equipment. So they cannot possibly do that before the 2024 general but trust us, all of the problems in the current system will be fixed by version 5.17.

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I haven't seen that yet, but ProV&V and SLI confirmed they checked everything and it was all good for 2020....and it wasn't... but let's give dominion and all the others the benefit of the doubt.

ETA: sorry, those were Arizona not GA

Here you go, shortened version. Curious as to your thoughts.

Jesus that is a ton to unpack....

First, and foremost, how much of tthat +$100 MM ended up in ole Brad's pocket?

• The versioning is very problematic.
• The remote access has always been problematic and now we are just glossing over the fact it has always been a part of the product....air-gapped my ass
• 5.17 is not technically and upgrade or a big deal......replacing hardware, BIOS, touching every device....uh, what? it is a big deal.
• Tell me again, how you can't provide a list of the changes/fixes? Am I to understand (1) there was no problem, (2) you paid resources to randomly go do **** to fix "no problem", and (3) none of it is a big deal, but it has to get done and at a considerable cost.....but you are not able to explain why it is needed while at the same time, not needed?

Why in all that is holy would anyone spend a single penny on Dominion products? ****, let's start a freaking company hawg. All we need is some 1980's scantron gear and we could (1) print ballots, (2) run polling locations, and (3) have results in less than 24 hours. ..... and for much freaking cheaper than $100 million dollars ....AND without any remote access cause that didn't exist.

Completely mind boggling why this case is not getting much more attention across at least more conservative leaning outlets. Nor do I even remotely understdand why FNC settled that case that Dominion filed.

This case has been going on for so long, and with Raffensperger and Domnion dragging their feet, delaying following court discovery orders, etc. And to a lawyer, pleadings are just allegations but the very weak attempts to show how those allegations are false or misleading by Raffensperger* and Dominion reinforces that they are in fact true.

*Raffensperger was originally ordered to give limited testimony in the current bench trial. He went to the 11th Circuit to quash that order so he would not testify because he was "too busy." It worked. 11th Circuit relieved him from the requirement that he testify under oath, even under the very limited conditionsrestricting the time he could be on the stand to less than two hours. That's some effort to avoid having to be under oath for a guy insisting everything was on the up and up.

The only answer is they are all compromised at some level. They are either getting paid, black mailed, benefiting from the outcomes, afraid to be outed because they didn't do their jobs, etc. It seems there is no serious effort to fix anything or prove, beyond a shadow of doubt, that everything is above board.

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The only answer is they are all compromised at some level. They are either getting paid, black mailed, benefiting from the outcomes, afraid to be outed because they didn't do their jobs, etc. It seems there is no serious effort to fix anything or prove, beyond a shadow of doubt, that everything is above board.

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Hope Dominion's bribe ledger doesn't have entries for Judge Totenberg...but somehow I fear she's been compromised as well.

And to loop this back around to the original topic of the Jan 6th Committee, had Jordan been on it? Would he had discovered this case and used it? the Committee focused a lot on Georgia, so he wouldn't have been out on an island addressing it, in light of Trump's phone call to Raffensperger. Would have explained that call easily.

The documentary features Susan Glasser. I hate that woman. She's the epitome of snobby condescending elitist journalist to me.

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The documentary features Susan Glasser. I hate that woman. She's the epitome of snobby condescending elitist journalist to me.

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David French-Never Trumper-check

Gabe Sterling-Raffensperger's bag man-check.

Rosen and Donoghue who refuse to testify-check.

Most everyone else-Dem operatives-check.

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We fixed the keg said:

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A bit of a segue here, but it is important if you watch the documentary.

• As I mentioned above, when you are fed backgrounds of individuals participating, pay attention to the setup. The documentary is already setting up a narrative. How can we not take this serious because we have both sides represented and look at all these "highly respected" members of Trump's own party. (Respected by who? The left and the establishment)
• Also just had to bring in racism and the confederate flag and how a black man from the civil rights era is especially adapted to lead this because this is the same thing.....but it is not.
• The music, the imagery, the pauses, the production....it is all done in a way to invoke a very specific reaction/feeling. Disagree? Ever heard the jaws theme?

Just a one-sided show-trial like the impeachments followed by this documentary looking to reiterate the same narrative under the lie of objectivism.

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What particularly galled me was Barr talking about looking into the Dominion stuff after the election. A federal judge had ruled in October 2020, before the election, that the Dominion system was a POS and easily hackable. The late big spike for Biden strongly suggesed something had happened. Barr did not look at squat by design.

And while you are here, I don't know if you saw my post about the pleadings recently filed in Curling bu Dominion is claiming that there recent software, 5.17 (which is out of sequence with the 5.5 suite that GA currently uses) would require a complete revamp of the entire system, down to BIOS and chip level to reconfigure and change ou equipment. So they cannot possibly do that before the 2024 general but trust us, all of the problems in the current system will be fixed by version 5.17.

Plaintiffs' response? Then show it to us so we can use our experts to test it. Dominion: No. Just trust us.

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Another thing that absolutely MUST be legislated soon if this country is to survive, is the requirement that any private entity that is hired by a public entity to administer an election falls under public disclosure rules and FOIA when it comes to hardware, software, and all physical materials associated with administering of the election.

As you stated on another thread, Hawg, The company that Maricopa County hired is conveniently being used to shield Maricopa County from releasing critical data under the auspices of "proprietary information".

That crap needs to stop.

100% Marxist? You would be right. But we are far down that road now and moving more that way every day. You can just see what the DOJ has done to Donald Trump and other political foes. Biden isn't working to correct that. He's working to make them more intrusive and oppressive.

But I get that you have been voting for that kind of government. It's not America, but it's what you and your side want for all of us.

Can we just give Arizona to Mexico?

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"An otherwise eligible registrant who does not submit DPOC (proof of citizenship) and whose U.S. citizenship cannot be verified via AZMVD records or other record in the statewide voter registration database is registered as a 'federal-only' voter. A 'federal-only' voter is eligible to vote solely in races for federal office in Arizona (including the Presidential Preference Election (PPE)),"

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ETA: the open boarder goal.

That's a bit misleading. Federal only ballots are available to voters who don't meet the residency requirments to vote in the state portion of elections. At least in theory that's the goal.

But with so many mail in ballots being nearly 100% control to Runbeck to print, send, collect, scan, send images for signature verification* no way to curb that except for in person voting.

Even Maricopa County's employees doing a watered down signature verification were many temp workers who were not in an election facilty with surveillance video. Nearly 90 of them were "working" from their home or office with zero oversight. That's what happened in the 2022 midterms as shown during court testimony.

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but that is kinda the point. They shouldn't get any ballot "We don't know who you are, so you can't vote in our State/Local elections, but here, go pick our president and representatives."

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Runbeck has the complete voter rolls for the state. Seriously doubt they care much about nuance of a voter being a federal only voter, no matter what Fontes says. (Fontes also lost in 2022, BTW but was installed anyway.)

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What did you think of Arizona House Soeaker Rusty Bowers' story? How about Trump's last AG Jeffrey Rosen and assistant Richard Donoghue?

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I was surprised America didn't have a stronger reaction to Bowers' testimony about Trump and Giuliani trying to get him to participate in their effort of subverting the election. A lifelong republican who wanted Trump in the Whitehouse who would've welcomed evidence of widespread voter fraud but wasn't willing to compromise his integrity and stood up for our country and constitution when Trump and Giuliani couldn't produce the evidence.

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The Kraken said:

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What did you think of Arizona House Soeaker Rusty Bowers' story? How about Trump's last AG Jeffrey Rosen and assistant Richard Donoghue?

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I was surprised America didn't have a stronger reaction to Bowers' testimony about Trump and Giuliani trying to get him to participate in their effort of subverting the election. A lifelong republican who wanted Trump in the Whitehouse who would've welcomed evidence of widespread voter fraud but wasn't willing to compromise his integrity and stood up for our country and constitution when Trump and Giuliani couldn't produce the evidence.

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Nothing that came out of that Stalinist committee is worth believing. Rigged from the start.