It is the sunk cost fallacy in a political context.

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It is the sunk cost fallacy in a political context.

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I'm familiar with the concept in financial terms. Can you please expound in the context of politics? Are you saying that Desantis supporters have put so much investment (time, emotion, etc.) into his candidacy that they can't stop supporting him even when it would be politically beneficial to do so?

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I was never a fan of Trump; however, the moment I heard him ridicule a Vietnam Vet and POW, his stock started to tumble. It continues to spiral downward. In my book, today Donald Trump is the human equivalent of dog**** !

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I didn't serve, myself, but I'm a big supporter of our military. Trump has said a lot of crass things (I wish he would shut his mouth) and this is one of the worst, but I think it was just misguided political posturing to somehow discredit McCain. I don't think really feels this way about our veterans and active duty personnel and I've heard a few stories where he really goes out of his way (without publicly) to honor and thank them.

I tend to view people more by their actions than by their words. I would begrudgingly vote for a man that told me he hated me and didn't respect me so long as he secured the border, protected the second amendment, cut taxes, and reduced government spending and regulation. Similarly, I would sadly vote against a man that flattered and complimented me if he couldn't deliver on the same policy positions. In a perfect world you would have a candidate that says the right thing and does the right thing. Unfortunately (for whatever reason) it looks like Trump will be the nominee, so I will hold my nose and vote for him…but I'll definitely be hoping for a better candidate in 2028.

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Trump has no respect for the military unless there's a camera around. If the McCain comments were the only example, then I might buy it as him running his mouth against a political opponent (still outside the lines imo). But the comments to Kelly are horrendous and will never have my vote. Between "losers and suckers" and not wanting to be seen with an amputee, it's a dealbreaker for me.

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Must be why all the vets I know are supporting Trump.,,

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I guess that depends on whether message board interaction qualifies as knowing someone. If so, you definitely know one vet who doesn't support him.

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No thanks, I'd rather not know you. Someone who honestly believes he is somehow more respected by lying democrats lacks the integrity to be acquainted with the honorable veteran friends I know.

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Well I'm glad we got that cleared up. Someone who thinks that a person who spent a chunk of their life in service to this country is somehow not honorable because they won't support a guy who called his fellow vets suckers and losers isn't really someone I'd want to hang out with anyway.

Now that I ponder it further, it was actually the culmination of many things. Sure, trashing John McCain and bragging about sexually assaulting women were despicable. But then I realized that Trump was the first president since Herbert Hoover to end his time in office with net job losses. The pathetic GDP growth during his four years was also a factor. He's as senile as Biden and amoral besides.

RIP John McCain!

Makes you wonder what created the job losses. Was it Trump or the Chinese?

Seriously don't understand the conclusions some make in life.

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Jan 6 and fake election claims.

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How amusing.. A big nothing burger and an actual stolen election is what irritated you. Too funny.

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when after losing in 2020 to a vegetable, he crushed the GOP again in 2022 with awful candidates and regardless of becoming MORE UNPOPULAR after his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, put his ego and narcissism and lust for power/legacy ahead of the needs of the party and the country.

I saw this coming back in December 2020, the only thing I got wrong was that the GOP was able to take the House back (barely!)

how many losses will the Trumpers accept? Apparently they are fine with losing every election for a string of 10 years...

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Literally, none of this is true. He's more popular now than ever. And the 2020 election was absolutely stolen. Just amuses me to know and to see you guys. Keep pushing that crap.

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He's as senile as Biden and amoral besides.

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No, he's not as bad as Biden. He's definitely showing the signs of dementia, about where Biden was 4yrs ago, but he's not quite as ****ed up as Biden. As to "amoral", I agree. Desantis was a breath of fresh air in this regard. An actual respectable politician, but the GOP tarded it up and voted feelz over facts.

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Mowdy Ag said:

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It is the sunk cost fallacy in a political context.

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I'm familiar with the concept in financial terms. Can you please expound in the context of politics? Are you saying that Desantis supporters have put so much investment (time, emotion, etc.) into his candidacy that they can't stop supporting him even when it would be politically beneficial to do so?

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Close. I would say it this way: Candidate X supporters have put so much investment (time, emotion, etc.) into Candidate X's candidacy that they won't consider more viable alternatives, point forward, even when it would be politically beneficial to do so.

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He's as senile as Biden and amoral besides.

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No, he's not as bad as Biden. He's definitely showing the signs of dementia, about where Biden was 4yrs ago, but he's not quite as ****ed up as Biden. As to "amoral", I agree. Desantis was a breath of fresh air in this regard. An actual respectable politician, but the GOP tarded it up and voted feelz over facts.

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Four years behind Biden?

He's pretty confused these days. He thought that Haley was in charge of January 6 security in DC. And a lot of other such gaffes.

I think that they are closer to each other than four years. Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Evil vs Evil.

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I was never a fan of Trump; however, the moment I heard him ridicule a Vietnam Vet and POW, his stock started to tumble. It continues to spiral downward. In my book, today Donald Trump is the human equivalent of dog**** !

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I didn't serve, myself, but I'm a big supporter of our military. Trump has said a lot of crass things (I wish he would shut his mouth) and this is one of the worst, but I think it was just misguided political posturing to somehow discredit McCain. I don't think really feels this way about our veterans and active duty personnel and I've heard a few stories where he really goes out of his way (without publicly) to honor and thank them.

I tend to view people more by their actions than by their words. I would begrudgingly vote for a man that told me he hated me and didn't respect me so long as he secured the border, protected the second amendment, cut taxes, and reduced government spending and regulation. Similarly, I would sadly vote against a man that flattered and complimented me if he couldn't deliver on the same policy positions. In a perfect world you would have a candidate that says the right thing and does the right thing. Unfortunately (for whatever reason) it looks like Trump will be the nominee, so I will hold my nose and vote for him…but I'll definitely be hoping for a better candidate in 2028.

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Trump has no respect for the military unless there's a camera around. If the McCain comments were the only example, then I might buy it as him running his mouth against a political opponent (still outside the lines imo). But the comments to Kelly are horrendous and will never have my vote. Between "losers and suckers" and not wanting to be seen with an amputee, it's a dealbreaker for me.

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Must be why all the vets I know are supporting Trump.,,

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I guess that depends on whether message board interaction qualifies as knowing someone. If so, you definitely know one vet who doesn't support him.

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No thanks, I'd rather not know you. Someone who honestly believes he is somehow more respected by lying democrats lacks the integrity to be acquainted with the honorable veteran friends I know.

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Well I'm glad we got that cleared up. Someone who thinks that a person who spent a chunk of their life in service to this country is somehow not honorable because they won't support a guy who called his fellow vets suckers and losers isn't really someone I'd want to hang out with anyway.

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Career vets (commissioned or otherwise) support Trump over biden by a wide margin, it's really not debatable to those who are concerned about the future of the country. But you can cling to dishonest dems all you want, it won't change the support among most others who served (including my father and three more in the family).

McCain's mishaps in the cockpit
He lied

• while I was practicing landings," he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.

He was undisciplined

• In his most serious lapse, McCain was "clowning" around in a Skyraider over southern Spain about December 1961 and flew into electrical wires, causing a blackout, according to McCain's own account as well as those of naval officers and enlistees aboard the carrier Intrepid. In another incident, in 1965, McCain crashed a T-2 trainer jet in Virginia.

His judgement was faulty

• "Three mishaps are unusual," said Michael L. Barr, a former Air Force pilot with 137 combat missions in Vietnam and an internationally known aviation safety expert who teaches in USC's Aviation Safety and Security Program. "After the third accident, you would say: Is there a trend here in terms of his flying skills and his judgment?"

I credit him for his service, but he was not a good pilot and was certainly an even worse politician.

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I was never a fan of Trump; however, the moment I heard him ridicule a Vietnam Vet and POW, his stock started to tumble. It continues to spiral downward. In my book, today Donald Trump is the human equivalent of dog**** !

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I didn't serve, myself, but I'm a big supporter of our military. Trump has said a lot of crass things (I wish he would shut his mouth) and this is one of the worst, but I think it was just misguided political posturing to somehow discredit McCain. I don't think really feels this way about our veterans and active duty personnel and I've heard a few stories where he really goes out of his way (without publicly) to honor and thank them.

I tend to view people more by their actions than by their words. I would begrudgingly vote for a man that told me he hated me and didn't respect me so long as he secured the border, protected the second amendment, cut taxes, and reduced government spending and regulation. Similarly, I would sadly vote against a man that flattered and complimented me if he couldn't deliver on the same policy positions. In a perfect world you would have a candidate that says the right thing and does the right thing. Unfortunately (for whatever reason) it looks like Trump will be the nominee, so I will hold my nose and vote for him…but I'll definitely be hoping for a better candidate in 2028.

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Trump has no respect for the military unless there's a camera around. If the McCain comments were the only example, then I might buy it as him running his mouth against a political opponent (still outside the lines imo). But the comments to Kelly are horrendous and will never have my vote. Between "losers and suckers" and not wanting to be seen with an amputee, it's a dealbreaker for me.

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Must be why all the vets I know are supporting Trump.,,

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I guess that depends on whether message board interaction qualifies as knowing someone. If so, you definitely know one vet who doesn't support him.

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No thanks, I'd rather not know you. Someone who honestly believes he is somehow more respected by lying democrats lacks the integrity to be acquainted with the honorable veteran friends I know.

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Well I'm glad we got that cleared up. Someone who thinks that a person who spent a chunk of their life in service to this country is somehow not honorable because they won't support a guy who called his fellow vets suckers and losers isn't really someone I'd want to hang out with anyway.

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Career vets (commissioned or otherwise) support Trump over biden by a wide margin, it's really not debatable to those who are concerned about the future of the country. But you can cling to dishonest dems all you want, it won't change the support among most others who served (including my father and three more in the family).

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It'll be interesting to see if that plays out. Trump certainly didn't have near the military support in 2020 that Republicans normally get. I donated a few bucks to Haley so I'm disqualified from voting for him.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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He's as senile as Biden and amoral besides.

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No, he's not as bad as Biden. He's definitely showing the signs of dementia, about where Biden was 4yrs ago, but he's not quite as ****ed up as Biden. As to "amoral", I agree. Desantis was a breath of fresh air in this regard. An actual respectable politician, but the GOP MAGA tarded it up and voted feelz over facts.

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I don't blame the whole GOP. Trump has only gotten slightly over 50% in both votes so far...

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Never had me. Voted 3rd party in 2016 and 2020 and will do so again this year. He's an unprofessional clown and generally a scumbag of a person on top of that. I continue to be amazed that college educated adults still support him given his continuing antics but am excited to finally rid the party of Trump and hopefully trumpism too after November.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position. If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination? Blaming someone else is just an excuse. Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

Trump never "had" me to lose in the first place.

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jwhaby said:

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jwhaby said:

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Phatbob said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

---

You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position. If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination? Blaming someone else is just an excuse. Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

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Maga put us in this position by voting for "revenge" or whatever over actual effective conservative policy (with an assist from the establishment doing everything they can to keep Haley in). It's 100% their fault. And now we have two 80 year olds who can barely string together a coherent sentence running for the most important position in the world.

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jwhaby said:

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jwhaby said:

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Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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Phatbob said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

---

You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position. If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination? Blaming someone else is just an excuse. Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

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Maga put us in this position by voting for "revenge" or whatever over actual effective conservative policy (with an assist from the establishment doing everything they can to keep Haley in). It's 100% their fault. And now we have two 80 year olds who can barely string together a coherent sentence running for the most important position in the world.

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MAGA didn't do anything. Keep blaming others. It will get you far in life. Loser mentality.

I will vote for anyone but Trump.

1/6/21. He is an existential threat to the future of our republic.

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jwhaby said:

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Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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Phatbob said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

---

You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position.

If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination?

Blaming someone else is just an excuse.

Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

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Why couldn't another candidate win the nomination? Blind loyalty to one person.

You are LITERALLY blaming people that don't want to vote for Trump for him losing.

This is quite amusing.

And look in your own mirror. Having no principles...that would be a big failing.

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I will vote for anyone but Trump.

1/6/21. He is an existential threat to the future of our republic.

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Now this is horse *****

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jwhaby said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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jwhaby said:

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Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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jwhaby said:

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Phatbob said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position. If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination? Blaming someone else is just an excuse. Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

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Maga put us in this position by voting for "revenge" or whatever over actual effective conservative policy (with an assist from the establishment doing everything they can to keep Haley in). It's 100% their fault. And now we have two 80 year olds who can barely string together a coherent sentence running for the most important position in the world.

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MAGA didn't do anything. Keep blaming others. It will get you far in life. Loser mentality.

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Nope, loser mentality is crying like a toddler about cheating every single time you lose.

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I'm not concerned with the past. There's no crying here. Just making the right choice going forward. You're the only person wishing for Desantis and crying about him not being an option.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position.

If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination?

Blaming someone else is just an excuse.

Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

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Why couldn't another candidate win the nomination? Blind loyalty to one person.

You are LITERALLY blaming people that don't want to vote for Trump for him losing.

This is quite amusing.

And look in your own mirror. Having no principles...that would be a big failing.

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Desantis lost because he couldn't connect with people. I know this hurts you, but it's the truth. I'm not blaming you for not voting for Trump, I just think you're childish, irrational and immature. You can do whatever you want. Feel free to eat a Tide Pod. You're only hurting yourself.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position. If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination? Blaming someone else is just an excuse. Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

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Maga put us in this position by voting for "revenge" or whatever over actual effective conservative policy (with an assist from the establishment doing everything they can to keep Haley in). It's 100% their fault. And now we have two 80 year olds who can barely string together a coherent sentence running for the most important position in the world.

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MAGA didn't do anything. Keep blaming others. It will get you far in life. Loser mentality.

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Nope, loser mentality is crying like a toddler about cheating every single time you lose.

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I'm not concerned with the past. There's no crying here. Just making the right choice going forward. You're the only person wishing for Desantis and crying about him not being an option.

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I'm not crying about anything. DeSantis will be back for 2028 and by that point Trump will be a distant, confusing memory and the adults will have taken the party back over.

I also don't vote for liberals, apparently you don't have a problem with that though.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position. If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination? Blaming someone else is just an excuse. Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

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Maga put us in this position by voting for "revenge" or whatever over actual effective conservative policy (with an assist from the establishment doing everything they can to keep Haley in). It's 100% their fault. And now we have two 80 year olds who can barely string together a coherent sentence running for the most important position in the world.

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MAGA didn't do anything. Keep blaming others. It will get you far in life. Loser mentality.

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Nope, loser mentality is crying like a toddler about cheating every single time you lose.

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I'm not concerned with the past. There's no crying here. Just making the right choice going forward. You're the only person wishing for Desantis and crying about him not being an option.

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You've got to have a line somewhere. For some of us, Trump's character crosses the line of what we can vote for. Are you saying you would vote for literally anyone with an R next to their name?

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position.

If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination?

Blaming someone else is just an excuse.

Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

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Why couldn't another candidate win the nomination? Blind loyalty to one person.

You are LITERALLY blaming people that don't want to vote for Trump for him losing.

This is quite amusing.

And look in your own mirror. Having no principles...that would be a big failing.

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Desantis lost because he couldn't connect with people. I know this hurts you, but it's the truth. I'm not blaming you for not voting for Trump, I just think you're childish, irrational and immature. You can do whatever you want. Feel free to eat a Tide Pod. You're only hurting yourself.

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DeSantis couldn't connect to ENOUGH people (GOP primary voters).

And when Trump loses it will because he can't connect with ENOUGH people (general election voters).

BTW thanks again for the insults. Makes me really question my position and want to join your side. You might to contemplate a career in sales.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position. If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination? Blaming someone else is just an excuse. Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

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Maga put us in this position by voting for "revenge" or whatever over actual effective conservative policy (with an assist from the establishment doing everything they can to keep Haley in). It's 100% their fault. And now we have two 80 year olds who can barely string together a coherent sentence running for the most important position in the world.

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MAGA didn't do anything. Keep blaming others. It will get you far in life. Loser mentality.

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Nope, loser mentality is crying like a toddler about cheating every single time you lose.

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I'm not concerned with the past. There's no crying here. Just making the right choice going forward. You're the only person wishing for Desantis and crying about him not being an option.

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You've got to have a line somewhere. For some of us, Trump's character crosses the line of what we can vote for. Are you saying you would vote for literally anyone with an R next to their name?

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David Duke had an R next to his name.

Of course, so did McCarthy and we saw how THAT went for him.

I wish that were true.

As a species we are reliving the Weimar Republic and it's terrifying. The parallels are scary.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.

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First, holy wall of text, Batman...

Second, I wanted Not Trump, not necessarily DeSantis. So, there were no "comparisons to DeSantis".

Third, numerous people have stated they will NOT vote for Trump EVEN IF he's nominated. That Is letting you and others know the consequences of nominating Trump. MAGA ignored the consequences and are getting the result that they were told would occur.

Fourth, I don't like Biden or his policies. He's an ******* and a ****ty POTUS. I WILL NOT vote for him.

Fifth, it is not a vote for Biden to not vote for Trump. Repeating a falsehood over and over does not make it true.

Sixth, I'm pissed that MAGA ****ed me over and are going to make me abstain from voting for a POTUS this go around

Seventh, I'm glad you're happy and can vote for Trump.

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A conservative who would abstain or throw away their vote on a third-party and allow the Democrats and their leftist policies to control the presidency is not really a conservative. They're an idealist. A conservative would make the tough choice instead of complaining about the position they're in.

Also, MAGA didn't put you in this position. If your preferred primary candidate was so good, why couldn't they win the nomination? Blaming someone else is just an excuse. Have some personal accountability. Look in the mirror and recognize your failings.

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Maga put us in this position by voting for "revenge" or whatever over actual effective conservative policy (with an assist from the establishment doing everything they can to keep Haley in). It's 100% their fault. And now we have two 80 year olds who can barely string together a coherent sentence running for the most important position in the world.

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MAGA didn't do anything. Keep blaming others. It will get you far in life. Loser mentality.

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Why are you badmouthing Trump!?

We are learning it best to ignore you.