jwhaby said:

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You may as well choose the evil one that has more policies that benefit you and your family.

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I can at least understand that perspective

My perspective is more long term, voting for what's best for my 7 year old, and her kids which is a long way out. I have a picture of me with my great grandfather who was born in 1865 and I'm only 54 but our lifestyle were massively different. I don't see any major changes soon so I'm thinking decendents more than a 5 or 10 yr window

For me it's neither D nor R. 3rd party might be a hail Mary but it's the only chance imo because the lesser of evils is still evil

Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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jamey said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Party first logic hurts America.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do we fix it? The Democrats have no problem with it. If you vote third-party to prove a point you're essentially giving the Democrats the election and driving us ever closer to socialism/communism. Unfortunately, there's no way to vote your way out of communism in the future, you have to fight your way out. Maybe you think this is the only way, but I would like to believe that maybe we can claw our way back to being a strong country little by little, one election at a time. Trump isn't close to perfect and he's not the candidate that I would have chosen, but for whatever reason what we've got to work with. Im trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** all the while wishing I was eating ribeye. But as my father always said, " wish in one hand and **** in the other and tell me which one fills up first."

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Ranked choice voting. Terrible for political parties. Good for voters.

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I might be for something like this, but it's not an option today and I don't think our swampy (both sides) politicians will allow it. The like the political gridlock of the status quo.

I wish there were no political parties and no campaigning. Only ID numbers with policy positions associated with them. No names, no race, no sex, no advertising, just positions. A man can dream.

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jwhaby said:

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jamey said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Party first logic hurts America.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do we fix it? The Democrats have no problem with it. If you vote third-party to prove a point you're essentially giving the Democrats the election and driving us ever closer to socialism/communism. Unfortunately, there's no way to vote your way out of communism in the future, you have to fight your way out. Maybe you think this is the only way, but I would like to believe that maybe we can claw our way back to being a strong country little by little, one election at a time. Trump isn't close to perfect and he's not the candidate that I would have chosen, but for whatever reason what we've got to work with. Im trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** all the while wishing I was eating ribeye. But as my father always said, " wish in one hand and **** in the other and tell me which one fills up first."

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I think financial disaster is what eventually happens at the hand of the revolving door of spend thrift Rs/Ds, then the whole enchilada is up for grabs in the chaos.


100% R/D control is what has to change imo, even if it just starts with a few seats. Otherwise who knows whats in the other side of chaos. It won't be good and both Rs and Ds will own 100% of the fault

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Then pick your spots. This ain't it.

jamey said:

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jwhaby said:

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You may as well choose the evil one that has more policies that benefit you and your family.

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I can at least understand that perspective

My perspective is more long term, voting for what's best for my 7 year old, and her kids which is a long way out. I have a picture of me with my great grandfather who was born in 1865 and I'm only 54 but our lifestyle were massively different. I don't see any major changes soon so I'm thinking decendents more than a 5 or 10 yr window

For me it's neither D nor R. 3rd party might be a hail Mary but it's the only chance imo because the lesser of evils is still evil

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On that we will have to agree to disagree, but I understand your position. Only time will tell and I think the answer will come long after you and I are dead.

Jack Boyette said:

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jamey said:

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jwhaby said:

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jamey said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Party first logic hurts America.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do we fix it? The Democrats have no problem with it. If you vote third-party to prove a point you're essentially giving the Democrats the election and driving us ever closer to socialism/communism. Unfortunately, there's no way to vote your way out of communism in the future, you have to fight your way out. Maybe you think this is the only way, but I would like to believe that maybe we can claw our way back to being a strong country little by little, one election at a time. Trump isn't close to perfect and he's not the candidate that I would have chosen, but for whatever reason what we've got to work with. Im trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** all the while wishing I was eating ribeye. But as my father always said, " wish in one hand and **** in the other and tell me which one fills up first."

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I think financial disaster is what eventually happens at the hand of the revolving door of spend thrift Rs/Ds, then the whole enchilada is up for grabs in the chaos.


100% R/D control is what has to change imo, even if it just starts with a few seats. Otherwise who knows whats in the other side of chaos. It won't be good and both Rs and Ds will own 100% of the fault

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Then pick your spots. This ain't it.

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I vote straight ticket. If they got some small percent of vote they get millions in campaign financing. It's a slow process, baby steps

But it beats voting for mutually assured destruction, lesser of evils

Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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You want me and people like me to vote for your guy? Pick a better guy. Surely none of this is a surprise.

Besides, I can't anyway. I donated to Haley.

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You're still not getting it. I didn't pick the guy. I'm just choosing amongst the options that are presented. Let me turn it around on you. Why didn't you present a better candidate; someone that that could win the primary election? **** happens that is out of our control, so all you can do is make the next right/best decision. There's no point in looking back to say what might have been. Desantis wasn't the pick of the populace for whatever reason. You have to get over it and move on.

Your choice on Election Day will be either Biden or Trump. It's really that simple. People who throw their vote away on either side are only helping the opposition. The winner at the end of the day will still be either Biden or Trump. You either vote for the candidate who benefits you the most (not necessarily who you like the most) or you de facto vote for their opponent.

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I see you post history defending trump against a range of other candidates. Sure sounds like you'll be literally picking the guy.

My word choice might trigger some MAGA, but if I'm asked to choose the lesser of two evils, I just won't choose evil.

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Which no doubt helps narcissists sleep better, but screw's themselves and everyone else. All so you can be sanctimonious every chance you get about the only thing that gives you any pull…your vote.

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Jack Boyette said:

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jamey said:

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jwhaby said:

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jamey said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Party first logic hurts America.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do we fix it? The Democrats have no problem with it. If you vote third-party to prove a point you're essentially giving the Democrats the election and driving us ever closer to socialism/communism. Unfortunately, there's no way to vote your way out of communism in the future, you have to fight your way out. Maybe you think this is the only way, but I would like to believe that maybe we can claw our way back to being a strong country little by little, one election at a time. Trump isn't close to perfect and he's not the candidate that I would have chosen, but for whatever reason what we've got to work with. Im trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** all the while wishing I was eating ribeye. But as my father always said, " wish in one hand and **** in the other and tell me which one fills up first."

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I think financial disaster is what eventually happens at the hand of the revolving door of spend thrift Rs/Ds, then the whole enchilada is up for grabs in the chaos.


100% R/D control is what has to change imo, even if it just starts with a few seats. Otherwise who knows whats in the other side of chaos. It won't be good and both Rs and Ds will own 100% of the fault

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Then pick your spots. This ain't it.

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I vote straight ticket. If they got some small percent of vote they get millions in campaign financing. It's a slow process, baby steps

But it beats voting for mutually assured destruction, lesser of evils

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You think this is a long term strategy but isn't. There won't be a long term.

I see a lot of people saying if you vote for Trump you are MAGA. That's just simple thinking; an easy slur to hurl. I want America to get off of her knees. Does that make me MAGA? There isn't a choice if you want sane policies, a closed border, and energy production. I'll never vote for a Democrat - they represent insanity and lies. My choice is out of the primary. I will vote for Desantis if he's on my primary ballot, but I will vote for Trump in the general. A 3rd party vote is a wasted vote and a defacto vote for Democrats.

Jack Boyette said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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You want me and people like me to vote for your guy? Pick a better guy. Surely none of this is a surprise.

Besides, I can't anyway. I donated to Haley.

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You're still not getting it. I didn't pick the guy. I'm just choosing amongst the options that are presented. Let me turn it around on you. Why didn't you present a better candidate; someone that that could win the primary election? **** happens that is out of our control, so all you can do is make the next right/best decision. There's no point in looking back to say what might have been. Desantis wasn't the pick of the populace for whatever reason. You have to get over it and move on.

Your choice on Election Day will be either Biden or Trump. It's really that simple. People who throw their vote away on either side are only helping the opposition. The winner at the end of the day will still be either Biden or Trump. You either vote for the candidate who benefits you the most (not necessarily who you like the most) or you de facto vote for their opponent.

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I see you post history defending trump against a range of other candidates. Sure sounds like you'll be literally picking the guy.

My word choice might trigger some MAGA, but if I'm asked to choose the lesser of two evils, I just won't choose evil.

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Which no doubt helps narcissists sleep better, but screw's themselves and everyone else. All so you can be sanctimonious every chance you get about the only thing that gives you any pull…your vote.

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All if this is moot anyway. I donated to Haley.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Party first logic hurts America.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do we fix it? The Democrats have no problem with it. If you vote third-party to prove a point you're essentially giving the Democrats the election and driving us ever closer to socialism/communism. Unfortunately, there's no way to vote your way out of communism in the future, you have to fight your way out. Maybe you think this is the only way, but I would like to believe that maybe we can claw our way back to being a strong country little by little, one election at a time. Trump isn't close to perfect and he's not the candidate that I would have chosen, but for whatever reason what we've got to work with. Im trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** all the while wishing I was eating ribeye. But as my father always said, " wish in one hand and **** in the other and tell me which one fills up first."

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I think financial disaster is what eventually happens at the hand of the revolving door of spend thrift Rs/Ds, then the whole enchilada is up for grabs in the chaos.


100% R/D control is what has to change imo, even if it just starts with a few seats. Otherwise who knows whats in the other side of chaos. It won't be good and both Rs and Ds will own 100% of the fault

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Then pick your spots. This ain't it.

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I vote straight ticket. If they got some small percent of vote they get millions in campaign financing. It's a slow process, baby steps

But it beats voting for mutually assured destruction, lesser of evils

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You think this is a long term strategy but isn't. There won't be a long term.

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I think the **** hits the fan after I'm dead in all likelihood, as someone said above.

I'm not worried about the silly social blah blah, other than it's just another waste of money. I think it comes down to to financial collapse and Trump or a Democrat os defiantly a vote towards that end.

He didn't.

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I was never a fan of Trump; however, the moment I heard him ridicule a Vietnam Vet and POW, his stock started to tumble. It continues to spiral downward. In my book, today Donald Trump is the human equivalent of dog**** !

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I didn't serve, myself, but I'm a big supporter of our military. Trump has said a lot of crass things (I wish he would shut his mouth) and this is one of the worst, but I think it was just misguided political posturing to somehow discredit McCain. I don't think really feels this way about our veterans and active duty personnel and I've heard a few stories where he really goes out of his way (without publicly) to honor and thank them.

I tend to view people more by their actions than by their words. I would begrudgingly vote for a man that told me he hated me and didn't respect me so long as he secured the border, protected the second amendment, cut taxes, and reduced government spending and regulation. Similarly, I would sadly vote against a man that flattered and complimented me if he couldn't deliver on the same policy positions. In a perfect world you would have a candidate that says the right thing and does the right thing. Unfortunately (for whatever reason) it looks like Trump will be the nominee, so I will hold my nose and vote for him…but I'll definitely be hoping for a better candidate in 2028.

I want a President who has Conservative principles. WIthout Conservative principles, they are just making decisions without any inherent sense of direction.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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You want me and people like me to vote for your guy? Pick a better guy. Surely none of this is a surprise.

Besides, I can't anyway. I donated to Haley.

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You're still not getting it. I didn't pick the guy. I'm just choosing amongst the options that are presented. Let me turn it around on you. Why didn't you present a better candidate; someone that that could win the primary election? **** happens that is out of our control, so all you can do is make the next right/best decision. There's no point in looking back to say what might have been. Desantis wasn't the pick of the populace for whatever reason. You have to get over it and move on.

Your choice on Election Day will be either Biden or Trump. It's really that simple. People who throw their vote away on either side are only helping the opposition. The winner at the end of the day will still be either Biden or Trump. You either vote for the candidate who benefits you the most (not necessarily who you like the most) or you de facto vote for their opponent.

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I see you post history defending trump against a range of other candidates. Sure sounds like you'll be literally picking the guy.

My word choice might trigger some MAGA, but if I'm asked to choose the lesser of two evils, I just won't choose evil.

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Which no doubt helps narcissists sleep better, but screw's themselves and everyone else. All so you can be sanctimonious every chance you get about the only thing that gives you any pull…your vote.

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All if this is moot anyway. I donated to Haley.

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Serious question. Do you have to vote for a candidate if you donated to them? I've never heard of this.

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You may as well choose the evil one that has more policies that benefit you and your family.

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I can at least understand that perspective

My perspective is more long term, voting for what's best for my 7 year old, and her kids which is a long way out. I have a picture of me with my great grandfather who was born in 1865 and I'm only 54 but our lifestyle were massively different. I don't see any major changes soon so I'm thinking decendents more than a 5 or 10 yr window

For me it's neither D nor R. 3rd party might be a hail Mary but it's the only chance imo because the lesser of evils is still evil

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Wait...you made a baby at 47?

Hell. All nine of mine were out of the house by that age.

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You may as well choose the evil one that has more policies that benefit you and your family.

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I can at least understand that perspective

My perspective is more long term, voting for what's best for my 7 year old, and her kids which is a long way out. I have a picture of me with my great grandfather who was born in 1865 and I'm only 54 but our lifestyle were massively different. I don't see any major changes soon so I'm thinking decendents more than a 5 or 10 yr window

For me it's neither D nor R. 3rd party might be a hail Mary but it's the only chance imo because the lesser of evils is still evil

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Wait...you made a baby at 47?

Hell. All nine of mine were out of the house by that age.

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Yeah, she'll graduate HS when I'm 65. Maybe we'll synergize a graduation/retirement party

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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You want me and people like me to vote for your guy? Pick a better guy. Surely none of this is a surprise.

Besides, I can't anyway. I donated to Haley.

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You're still not getting it. I didn't pick the guy. I'm just choosing amongst the options that are presented. Let me turn it around on you. Why didn't you present a better candidate; someone that that could win the primary election? **** happens that is out of our control, so all you can do is make the next right/best decision. There's no point in looking back to say what might have been. Desantis wasn't the pick of the populace for whatever reason. You have to get over it and move on.

Your choice on Election Day will be either Biden or Trump. It's really that simple. People who throw their vote away on either side are only helping the opposition. The winner at the end of the day will still be either Biden or Trump. You either vote for the candidate who benefits you the most (not necessarily who you like the most) or you de facto vote for their opponent.

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I see you post history defending trump against a range of other candidates. Sure sounds like you'll be literally picking the guy.

My word choice might trigger some MAGA, but if I'm asked to choose the lesser of two evils, I just won't choose evil.

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Which no doubt helps narcissists sleep better, but screw's themselves and everyone else. All so you can be sanctimonious every chance you get about the only thing that gives you any pull…your vote.

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All if this is moot anyway. I donated to Haley.

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Serious question. Do you have to vote for a candidate if you donated to them? I've never heard of this.

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Trump said he didn't want the vote of anyone who donated to Haley. It's a bold move, Cotton.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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I was never a fan of Trump; however, the moment I heard him ridicule a Vietnam Vet and POW, his stock started to tumble. It continues to spiral downward. In my book, today Donald Trump is the human equivalent of dog**** !

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I didn't serve, myself, but I'm a big supporter of our military. Trump has said a lot of crass things (I wish he would shut his mouth) and this is one of the worst, but I think it was just misguided political posturing to somehow discredit McCain. I don't think really feels this way about our veterans and active duty personnel and I've heard a few stories where he really goes out of his way (without publicly) to honor and thank them.

I tend to view people more by their actions than by their words. I would begrudgingly vote for a man that told me he hated me and didn't respect me so long as he secured the border, protected the second amendment, cut taxes, and reduced government spending and regulation. Similarly, I would sadly vote against a man that flattered and complimented me if he couldn't deliver on the same policy positions. In a perfect world you would have a candidate that says the right thing and does the right thing. Unfortunately (for whatever reason) it looks like Trump will be the nominee, so I will hold my nose and vote for him…but I'll definitely be hoping for a better candidate in 2028.

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Trump has no respect for the military unless there's a camera around. If the McCain comments were the only example, then I might buy it as him running his mouth against a political opponent (still outside the lines imo). But the comments to Kelly are horrendous and will never have my vote. Between "losers and suckers" and not wanting to be seen with an amputee, it's a dealbreaker for me.

At his point, my best years are in the distant past and I do not expect a return to common sense governance of this country soon enough to be meaningful during my remaining time on the planet. My vote is driven by future scenarios for my grandkids. Dreams of third party miracles are wishful thinking: false hope. My personal strategy is to help buy time, disgusting as the current truly feasible choices may be, for the kids' benefit. ...buying time for the country to come to its senses. It's playing Prevent Defense, which I despise, but that's what we're down to, like it or not.

MAGA 2024

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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At his point, my best years are in the distant past and I do not expect a return to common sense governance of this country soon enough to be meaningful during my remaining time on the planet. My vote is driven by future scenarios for my grandkids. Dreams of third party miracles are wishful thinking: false hope. My personal strategy is to help buy time, disgusting as the current truly feasible choices may be, for the kids' benefit. ...buying time for the country to come to its senses. It's playing Prevent Defense, which I despise, but that's what we're down to, like it or not.

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Perfectly said. Couldn't agree more. Thank you.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

It seems to me that the biggest whiners when they don't get their way are Trump and Cult.

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Why should I bother to vote for Trump when his fans have spent 4 years ranting that the Dems waited to see how many votes they needed on election night anyway and paused to create that many out of thin air and stole the election, and have continued to rage that not a single thing has been done since then to correct or punish that behavior?

Well fine, you've convinced me, there's no point in voting for Trump since elections are fake anyway so I might as well write in Thomas Sowell or George Washington, right? Thanks for making this easy.

This nonsense idea that the election was stolen without consequences last time but if you don't vote for Trump this time you're a Marxist is comical. If my vote doesn't count anyway then no, I don't have to vote Trump and it won't matter.

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So, don't vote and watch how many lose sleep over it…

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You gotta pick an argument, either say this election is very important and we need every vote we can get, or else say elections are fake anyway and it doesn't matter. It can't be both. It's laughable to be told that the other side just creates as many votes as they need at will but yet they still need my vote to defeat Marxism.

Why? If I vote they'll just create two more for their side anyway, right? That's what people have sworn for 4 years around here.

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Definitely don't need votes of people too blind to see what is see and stand against the insanity of the left but you better start getting prepared to lose your right to choose. Ignorance over personality can be very costly politically…

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jwhaby said:

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Phatbob said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

---

You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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I was never a fan of Trump; however, the moment I heard him ridicule a Vietnam Vet and POW, his stock started to tumble. It continues to spiral downward. In my book, today Donald Trump is the human equivalent of dog**** !

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I didn't serve, myself, but I'm a big supporter of our military. Trump has said a lot of crass things (I wish he would shut his mouth) and this is one of the worst, but I think it was just misguided political posturing to somehow discredit McCain. I don't think really feels this way about our veterans and active duty personnel and I've heard a few stories where he really goes out of his way (without publicly) to honor and thank them.

I tend to view people more by their actions than by their words. I would begrudgingly vote for a man that told me he hated me and didn't respect me so long as he secured the border, protected the second amendment, cut taxes, and reduced government spending and regulation. Similarly, I would sadly vote against a man that flattered and complimented me if he couldn't deliver on the same policy positions. In a perfect world you would have a candidate that says the right thing and does the right thing. Unfortunately (for whatever reason) it looks like Trump will be the nominee, so I will hold my nose and vote for him…but I'll definitely be hoping for a better candidate in 2028.

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Trump has no respect for the military unless there's a camera around. If the McCain comments were the only example, then I might buy it as him running his mouth against a political opponent (still outside the lines imo). But the comments to Kelly are horrendous and will never have my vote. Between "losers and suckers" and not wanting to be seen with an amputee, it's a dealbreaker for me.

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Must be why all the vets I know are supporting Trump.,,

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

---

You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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You haven't really got a clue what's coming if Biden stays in office but be assured that you won't like the socialism environment that comes with him.

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jwhaby said:

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AC Hopper said:

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I was never a fan of Trump; however, the moment I heard him ridicule a Vietnam Vet and POW, his stock started to tumble. It continues to spiral downward. In my book, today Donald Trump is the human equivalent of dog**** !

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I didn't serve, myself, but I'm a big supporter of our military. Trump has said a lot of crass things (I wish he would shut his mouth) and this is one of the worst, but I think it was just misguided political posturing to somehow discredit McCain. I don't think really feels this way about our veterans and active duty personnel and I've heard a few stories where he really goes out of his way (without publicly) to honor and thank them.

I tend to view people more by their actions than by their words. I would begrudgingly vote for a man that told me he hated me and didn't respect me so long as he secured the border, protected the second amendment, cut taxes, and reduced government spending and regulation. Similarly, I would sadly vote against a man that flattered and complimented me if he couldn't deliver on the same policy positions. In a perfect world you would have a candidate that says the right thing and does the right thing. Unfortunately (for whatever reason) it looks like Trump will be the nominee, so I will hold my nose and vote for him…but I'll definitely be hoping for a better candidate in 2028.

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Trump has no respect for the military unless there's a camera around. If the McCain comments were the only example, then I might buy it as him running his mouth against a political opponent (still outside the lines imo). But the comments to Kelly are horrendous and will never have my vote. Between "losers and suckers" and not wanting to be seen with an amputee, it's a dealbreaker for me.

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Must be why all the vets I know are supporting Trump.,,

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I guess that depends on whether message board interaction qualifies as knowing someone. If so, you definitely know one vet who doesn't support him.

Trump supporters are going to get exactly what they deserve. I guess that will be a small silver lining as the country declines under democrat "leadership" going forward.

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istillhatecats said:

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jwhaby said:

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AC Hopper said:

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I was never a fan of Trump; however, the moment I heard him ridicule a Vietnam Vet and POW, his stock started to tumble. It continues to spiral downward. In my book, today Donald Trump is the human equivalent of dog**** !

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I didn't serve, myself, but I'm a big supporter of our military. Trump has said a lot of crass things (I wish he would shut his mouth) and this is one of the worst, but I think it was just misguided political posturing to somehow discredit McCain. I don't think really feels this way about our veterans and active duty personnel and I've heard a few stories where he really goes out of his way (without publicly) to honor and thank them.

I tend to view people more by their actions than by their words. I would begrudgingly vote for a man that told me he hated me and didn't respect me so long as he secured the border, protected the second amendment, cut taxes, and reduced government spending and regulation. Similarly, I would sadly vote against a man that flattered and complimented me if he couldn't deliver on the same policy positions. In a perfect world you would have a candidate that says the right thing and does the right thing. Unfortunately (for whatever reason) it looks like Trump will be the nominee, so I will hold my nose and vote for him…but I'll definitely be hoping for a better candidate in 2028.

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Trump has no respect for the military unless there's a camera around. If the McCain comments were the only example, then I might buy it as him running his mouth against a political opponent (still outside the lines imo). But the comments to Kelly are horrendous and will never have my vote. Between "losers and suckers" and not wanting to be seen with an amputee, it's a dealbreaker for me.

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Must be why all the vets I know are supporting Trump.,,

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I guess that depends on whether message board interaction qualifies as knowing someone. If so, you definitely know one vet who doesn't support him.

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No thanks, I'd rather not know you. Someone who honestly believes he is somehow more respected by lying democrats lacks the integrity to be acquainted with the honorable veteran friends I know.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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It's not idiotic Rob, it's the reality that we face at this moment in our countries history and future. My goal is to do whatever it takes to remove the leftist, Marxist from the white house and then fight for 2028 to get DeSantis or someone similar in there. I can stomach a narcissistic, bloviating, liberal leaning populist, who has many conservative leanings and did may great things when he was in office, against a tremendous headwind, because I don't allow my emotions to rule my thoughts on his idiotic personality.

Although you stand in front of the mirror, trying to convince yourself you're not, continue to allow your emotion to rule your thoughts, I guess, and screw your family and this country. We can't stand another 4 years of this and they will only be embolden even more to push their Marxist, globalist agenda.

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You keep saying it's just his personality and we just can't get past it. If only it were just his personality... he's bad at the job. He is not competent at the position. No, Biden isn't either, but at least we know we re against him and we don't embrace the ****tiness.

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Cool. You do you. Biden you will get. He seems like a great person and a competent leader.

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We were getting Biden when MAGA rejected anyone but Trump to be the nominee...

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Blaming everyone else. Just like I said. People like you who don't get their way will say that everyone else is stupid and then take their ball and go home. Pathetic.

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That is what you are doing, too.

If you don't get your way and force others to vote for your guy, then they're stupid.

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Wrong. You still don't get it. You are voting on old information that is no longer relevant. You wanted Desantis and if you can't have him you're going to throw your vote away in protest and scream at the clouds how stupid everyone is for not agreeing with you. I can't vote for Desantis because he's not an option. He dropped out. That would be like me saying if I can't have Trump, I'm going to throw my vote away. The difference is that Trump is still in the race. I can't help that. It's the reality of the situation. You can wish all you want that Desantis was still a candidate, but he's not. Get over it. If you think Biden is a better option than Trump, then vote for him; but stop with the comparisons to Desantis because he's no longer an alternative. Your only real choices are going to be Trump or Biden. Make a decision. If you truly are a conservative and you don't vote for Trump it's a de facto vote for Biden as it only benefits the Democrats. You can tie yourself in knots trying to twist the situation but "them's the facts."

On election day there's going to be a Republican candidate on the ballot. That's the only option that I need or want. I don't get bent out of shape over who that candidate is because I can't control that. My only two choices are to vote for them or not vote for them. It's the same as your choices. Who am I blaming? Im happy. There's going to be a Republican to vote for when I get to the voting booth. It may be Trump or it may be Haley. Whoever it is will get my vote. It's that simple.