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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work. Your comment about "nobody is owed my vote" is very telling. It comes off as emotional. I vote because it's in my best interest. Nobody is telling you how to vote, they're just explaining the consequences of your choices. Feel free to throw it away…if it makes you feel better.

In what industry would anyone hire a 78-81 year old person to run anything? My dad is one of the smartest guys I've ever met and he'd be the first to tell you he's way too old to be President (he's 67).

These guys are both too old and too far gone mentally to run the world's largest economy. DeSantis or Haley would both be far better options on energy and mental focus alone.

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The left and Trump haters are winning the narrative.

The number of Trump haters on Texags is 10x the supporters.

They are going to get what they deserve.

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Do you promise?

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You won't like it but will be the first to complain once it's here!

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I don't the want Dems. I also don't want trump, though for different reasons. I've probably already lost this election cycle no matter who wins. GOP already shot themselves in the foot, though.

But I've said it before and I'll say it again. This country needs a healthy GOP, and Trump is cancer. I don't mind being the chemotherapy.

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

I starred an early reply, but my two cents:

I was off the Trump train when there was a younger, more effective, and less objectionable candidate in the race.

Luckily, I get to keep him as my governor for a couple more years.

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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Because those people don't have better chances to win the general election. You believing it and it being so aren't the same thing. You WANT to believe it. Amazing that someone would get owned that badly within their own party and you actually believe they'd somehow do better than the guy that owned them in a broader election.

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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Because those people don't have better chances to win the general election. You believing it and it being so aren't the same thing. You WANT to believe it. Amazing that someone would get owned that badly within their own party and you actually believe they'd somehow do better than the guy that owned them in a broader election.

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Primaries aren't typically for picking the best candidate to win. They're for picking your favorite candidate to represent you. There's a difference. In our hyper partisan environment, viability in the general election should absolutely be a factor.

Thank you TexAgs!

This topic and a majority of the the responses to it give me hope!

I was never a fan of Trump; however, the moment I heard him ridicule a Vietnam Vet and POW, his stock started to tumble. It continues to spiral downward. In my book, today Donald Trump is the human equivalent of dog**** !

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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You want me and people like me to vote for your guy? Pick a better guy. Surely none of this is a surprise.

Besides, I can't anyway. I donated to Haley.

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When a clearly, and I mean CLEARLY, better alternative showed up. And was summarily kicked to the curb bc MAGA wanted a WWE clown show instead of substance and a track record of conservative results.

Going a little further back, the extensive laundry list of staffers and advisers who were fired bc of disagreements was kinda my first red flag. Like my God, can anybody work with this man? The way he did Kayleigh really opened my eyes. This woman went to bat for him daily when most of the country was turning on him. And he absolutely threw her under the bus for basically nothing.

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This is a great post and pretty much describes where I am.

I will vote for Trump, but Republicans missed a golden opportunity to elect the best conservative nominee since Reagan.

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Party first logic hurts America.

He never fully had me because of his lack of discipline while speaking. Was grateful he saved us from Hillary, his good policies, and Supreme Court nominees.

What Trump supporters fail to either acknowledge or understand is that criticism of his self-defeating mannerisms is NOT advocating for the far left alternative.

We need a leader that doesn't excel at driving away friends and foe alike.

I seriously doubt this rendition.

100% MAGA.
100% DeSantis.
Either/or/both.
Liberal/Progressivism is DESTROYING this Country.
There is NO gray area here.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it.

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So we've moved on from "it's not a cult" to "it's a cult but that's a good thing".

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First step to recovering from a cult is admitting you're in a cult.

Interesting to me that a thread entitled "when did Trump lose you" is still listed on the front page of the Politics Forum while the competing thread entitled "when did Biden leave lose you" is long gone off the front page. An alleged conservative forum appears to hate Trump worse than Biden. Something is wrong here. I think it's sour grapes DeSantis supporters. What say ye?

It's the libertarians, tds afflicted, and leftists.

Sadly the libertarians and tds afflicted should know better.

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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You want me and people like me to vote for your guy? Pick a better guy. Surely none of this is a surprise.

Besides, I can't anyway. I donated to Haley.

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You're still not getting it. I didn't pick the guy. I'm just choosing amongst the options that are presented. Let me turn it around on you. Why didn't you present a better candidate; someone that that could win the primary election? **** happens that is out of our control, so all you can do is make the next right/best decision. There's no point in looking back to say what might have been. Desantis wasn't the pick of the populace for whatever reason. You have to get over it and move on.

Your choice on Election Day will be either Biden or Trump. It's really that simple. People who throw their vote away on either side are only helping the opposition. The winner at the end of the day will still be either Biden or Trump. You either vote for the candidate who benefits you the most (not necessarily who you like the most) or you de facto vote for their opponent.

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Interesting to me that a thread entitled "when did Trump lose you" is still listed on the front page of the Politics Forum while the competing thread entitled "when did Biden leave lose you" is long gone off the front page. An alleged conservative forum appears to hate Trump worse than Biden. Something is wrong here. I think it's sour grapes DeSantis supporters. What say ye?

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I say that "ye" must be high.

Why would a majority conservative forum have anyone that Biden "had" to be able to lose?

Who has the lost?

Bryanisbest said:

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Interesting to me that a thread entitled "when did Trump lose you" is still listed on the front page of the Politics Forum while the competing thread entitled "when did Biden leave lose you" is long gone off the front page. An alleged conservative forum appears to hate Trump worse than Biden. Something is wrong here. I think it's sour grapes DeSantis supporters. What say ye?

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1000% this. Children that didn't get their way so they scream that everyone who didn't see things their way are stupid and they're taking their ball and going home.

BigRobSA said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Interesting to me that a thread entitled "when did Trump lose you" is still listed on the front page of the Politics Forum while the competing thread entitled "when did Biden leave lose you" is long gone off the front page. An alleged conservative forum appears to hate Trump worse than Biden. Something is wrong here. I think it's sour grapes DeSantis supporters. What say ye?

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I say that "ye" must be high.

Why would a majority conservative forum have anyone that Biden "had" to be able to lose?

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Would love to be able to understand your last sentence. Can you help me.

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Bryanisbest said:

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Interesting to me that a thread entitled "when did Trump lose you" is still listed on the front page of the Politics Forum while the competing thread entitled "when did Biden leave lose you" is long gone off the front page. An alleged conservative forum appears to hate Trump worse than Biden. Something is wrong here. I think it's sour grapes DeSantis supporters. What say ye?

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1000% this. Children that didn't get their way so they scream that everyone who didn't see things their way are stupid and they're taking their ball and going home.

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Insulting people is a great way to get them to do what you want...

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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You want me and people like me to vote for your guy? Pick a better guy. Surely none of this is a surprise.

Besides, I can't anyway. I donated to Haley.

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You're still not getting it. I didn't pick the guy. I'm just choosing amongst the options that are presented. Let me turn it around on you. Why didn't you present a better candidate; someone that that could win the primary election? **** happens that is out of our control, so all you can do is make the next right/best decision. There's no point in looking back to say what might have been. Desantis wasn't the pick of the populace for whatever reason. You have to get over it and move on.

Your choice on Election Day will be either Biden or Trump. It's really that simple. People who throw their vote away on either side are only helping the opposition. The winner at the end of the day will still be either Biden or Trump. You either vote for the candidate who benefits you the most (not necessarily who you like the most) or you de facto vote for their opponent.

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I see you post history defending trump against a range of other candidates. Sure sounds like you'll be literally picking the guy.

My word choice might trigger some MAGA, but if I'm asked to choose the lesser of two evils, I just won't choose evil.

Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Interesting to me that a thread entitled "when did Trump lose you" is still listed on the front page of the Politics Forum while the competing thread entitled "when did Biden leave lose you" is long gone off the front page. An alleged conservative forum appears to hate Trump worse than Biden. Something is wrong here. I think it's sour grapes DeSantis supporters. What say ye?

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1000% this. Children that didn't get their way so they scream that everyone who didn't see things their way are stupid and they're taking their ball and going home.

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Insulting people is a great way to get them to do what you want...

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Yes, DeSantis supporters who are insulting those who don't agree throughout this thread calling them idiot cultists and the like.

Ag with kids said:

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jwhaby said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Interesting to me that a thread entitled "when did Trump lose you" is still listed on the front page of the Politics Forum while the competing thread entitled "when did Biden leave lose you" is long gone off the front page. An alleged conservative forum appears to hate Trump worse than Biden. Something is wrong here. I think it's sour grapes DeSantis supporters. What say ye?

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1000% this. Children that didn't get their way so they scream that everyone who didn't see things their way are stupid and they're taking their ball and going home.

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Insulting people is a great way to get them to do what you want...

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Speak for yourself. I'm sold!

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Party first logic hurts America.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do we fix it? The Democrats have no problem with it. If you vote third-party to prove a point you're essentially giving the Democrats the election and driving us ever closer to socialism/communism. Unfortunately, there's no way to vote your way out of communism in the future, you have to fight your way out. Maybe you think this is the only way, but I would like to believe that maybe we can claw our way back to being a strong country little by little, one election at a time. Trump isn't close to perfect and he's not the candidate that I would have chosen, but for whatever reason what we've got to work with. Im trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** all the while wishing I was eating ribeye. But as my father always said, " wish in one hand and **** in the other and tell me which one fills up first."

jwhaby said:

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jamey said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Party first logic hurts America.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do we fix it? The Democrats have no problem with it. If you vote third-party to prove a point you're essentially giving the Democrats the election and driving us ever closer to socialism/communism. Unfortunately, there's no way to vote your way out of communism in the future, you have to fight your way out. Maybe you think this is the only way, but I would like to believe that maybe we can claw our way back to being a strong country little by little, one election at a time. Trump isn't close to perfect and he's not the candidate that I would have chosen, but for whatever reason what we've got to work with. Im trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** all the while wishing I was eating ribeye. But as my father always said, " wish in one hand and **** in the other and tell me which one fills up first."

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Ranked choice voting. Terrible for political parties. Good for voters.

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BigRobSA said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Interesting to me that a thread entitled "when did Trump lose you" is still listed on the front page of the Politics Forum while the competing thread entitled "when did Biden leave lose you" is long gone off the front page. An alleged conservative forum appears to hate Trump worse than Biden. Something is wrong here. I think it's sour grapes DeSantis supporters. What say ye?

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I say that "ye" must be high.

Why would a majority conservative forum have anyone that Biden "had" to be able to lose?

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Would love to be able to understand your last sentence. Can you help me.

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Republican/conservative forum.

Biden, neither of those.

Biden "had" almost nobody here, therefore a thread on him losing peoples' support would be short.

Rocket surgery, it is not.

jwhaby said:

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jamey said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Party first logic hurts America.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do we fix it? The Democrats have no problem with it. If you vote third-party to prove a point you're essentially giving the Democrats the election and driving us ever closer to socialism/communism. Unfortunately, there's no way to vote your way out of communism in the future, you have to fight your way out. Maybe you think this is the only way, but I would like to believe that maybe we can claw our way back to being a strong country little by little, one election at a time. Trump isn't close to perfect and he's not the candidate that I would have chosen, but for whatever reason what we've got to work with. Im trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** all the while wishing I was eating ribeye. But as my father always said, " wish in one hand and **** in the other and tell me which one fills up first."

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I think financial disaster is what eventually happens at the hand of the revolving door of spend thrift Rs/Ds, then the whole enchilada is up for grabs in the chaos.


100% R/D control is what has to change imo, even if it just starts with a few seats. Otherwise who knows whats in the other side of chaos. It won't be good and both Rs and Ds will own 100% of the fault

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Bryanisbest said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Interesting to me that a thread entitled "when did Trump lose you" is still listed on the front page of the Politics Forum while the competing thread entitled "when did Biden leave lose you" is long gone off the front page. An alleged conservative forum appears to hate Trump worse than Biden. Something is wrong here. I think it's sour grapes DeSantis supporters. What say ye?

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I say that "ye" must be high.

Why would a majority conservative forum have anyone that Biden "had" to be able to lose?

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Would love to be able to understand your last sentence. Can you help me.

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Republican/conservative forum.

Biden, neither of those.

Biden "had" almost nobody here, therefore a thread on him losing peoples' support would be short.

Rocket surgery, it is not.

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Much better. Thanks

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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You want me and people like me to vote for your guy? Pick a better guy. Surely none of this is a surprise.

Besides, I can't anyway. I donated to Haley.

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You're still not getting it. I didn't pick the guy. I'm just choosing amongst the options that are presented. Let me turn it around on you. Why didn't you present a better candidate; someone that that could win the primary election? **** happens that is out of our control, so all you can do is make the next right/best decision. There's no point in looking back to say what might have been. Desantis wasn't the pick of the populace for whatever reason. You have to get over it and move on.

Your choice on Election Day will be either Biden or Trump. It's really that simple. People who throw their vote away on either side are only helping the opposition. The winner at the end of the day will still be either Biden or Trump. You either vote for the candidate who benefits you the most (not necessarily who you like the most) or you de facto vote for their opponent.

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I see you post history defending trump against a range of other candidates. Sure sounds like you'll be literally picking the guy.

My word choice might trigger some MAGA, but if I'm asked to choose the lesser of two evils, I just won't choose evil.

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Yes. I will literally be voting for Trump if he is the Republican nominee for President. I get it that you think both Biden and Trump are evil, but regardless, you're going to have an evil man serving as your president come next January. You may as well choose the evil one that has more policies that benefit you and your family.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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You do you. I'm just telling you how things work.

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Logical fallacy. It just means that the sides will have to duke it themselves. You could just as easily say he's voting R because he's not voting D.

The only situation where this is different is if you know one candidate is at a disadvantage and needs to find votes to win. But if that's true, why give the primary to someone who can't win the general when multiple other candidates have objectively better chances to win. You can't shoot yourself in the foot and then expect help from the guy that warned you he wouldn't help if you did that.

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You actually believe that a conservative who either abstains or votes third-party doesn't benefit the Democrat? That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can tell you that a liberal who abstains or votes third-party definitely helps the Republicans, but they don't do that. For as evil and misguided as they are, they know how to put the party first regardless of the candidate. A lot of Republicans are going to take their ball and go home because their preferred candidate didn't win the nomination. They'll tell you how stupid everyone is and then turn around and make the illogical decision to throw their vote away because of…hurt feelings.

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Party first logic hurts America.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do we fix it? The Democrats have no problem with it. If you vote third-party to prove a point you're essentially giving the Democrats the election and driving us ever closer to socialism/communism. Unfortunately, there's no way to vote your way out of communism in the future, you have to fight your way out. Maybe you think this is the only way, but I would like to believe that maybe we can claw our way back to being a strong country little by little, one election at a time. Trump isn't close to perfect and he's not the candidate that I would have chosen, but for whatever reason what we've got to work with. Im trying to make chicken salad out of chicken **** all the while wishing I was eating ribeye. But as my father always said, " wish in one hand and **** in the other and tell me which one fills up first."

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I think financial disaster is what eventually happens at the hand of the revolving door of spend thrift Rs/Ds, then the whole enchilada is up for grabs in the chaos.


100% R/D control is what has to change imo, even if it just starts with a few seats. Otherwise who knows whats in the other side of chaos. It won't be good and both Rs and Ds will own 100% of the fault

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Maybe this is what happens in the long run. I'm just trying to make the best decisions I can today to either reverse course or delay the inevitable as long as possible.