Aggie Apotheosis said:

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aggielatoo said:

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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It's sad to see supposedly educated people believing unsourced media lies about Trump. Suckers, losers, disabled parade...all anonymous sources or sources close to the situation.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

"A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all 'suckers' because 'there is nothing in it for them,'" Kelly said of Trump. "A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because 'it doesn't look good for me.' A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family for all Gold Star families on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America's defense are 'losers' and wouldn't visit their graves in France."

Obviously nothing I or anyone else is going to change your mind on the subject, but I'm a Navy veteran who has never voted for a Democrat and probably never will, but there is zero chance I will vote for this man.

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Why do you believe Kelly? That's all hearsay.

You're telling us that if it were 50/50 and you had the last vote in America that would decide to, you wouldn't vote for him?

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Jan 6 and fake election claims.

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Even though it's obvious January 6th was staged for the Democratic party?

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That is obvious only to clowns.

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Uhhhh…the head of the Capitol Police was left completely in the dark that day on decisions that were 100% his legal domain. There are countless other things that make it obvious it was planned.

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I know you are not looking for any unsolicited advice but I'm going to give it to you anyway

Don't ever make that argument in front of anyone who you otherwise need to take you seriously.

Have a good night.

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Old McDonald said:

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he never had me, but everything he did after the 2020 election up to jan 6th is what converted me from "won't vote for trump" to "will crawl over broken glass to vote against trump."

i'll admit it's been vindicating to see many in this forum slowly wake up to what we've been saying about him since he came down the golden escalator.

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Yeah, Trump is the problem with the country. What a load of sh*t. I've woken up to an open border that's going to contribute to our eventual economic collapse. Our nationalism has been destroyed. We have a generation of you owe me everything and bye the way I don't want to work to earn it. LEGAL, open looting in department and retail stores. We're singing to National Anthems??? WTF. This country has gone to hell. Mentally disturbed young men and women are mutulating their bodies. Men calling themselves a woman are given more rights than a biological female. Yeah, things are so much better now and we benefit from a lying dementia patient who is no better than the prior POTUS and much less competent. Pump your chest democratic socialist, the country was 1000 times better off under Trump. I don't like him, but he was effective.

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Dude, almost everything you mentioned above was happening under Trump as well.

He wasn't/isn't some silver bullet for everything that plagues our country and culture.

His economy was good (though supported by sub 2% interest rates for most of his term). But the greatest ever rhetoric is pure propaganda.

The GDP growth was fine (mid 2% range). Unemployment was crazy low (but conveniently no one brings out labor participation during Trump years either).

2017-2019 has passed into legend for some reason. Heck the stock market was negative in 2018 and growth was clearly slowing even prior to COVID (we had 1.8% GDP growth in Q4 2019 and were looking like Q1 would be negative even prior to COVID).

The oil prices people love to use as a comparison occurred during the first few months of COVID when worldwide commodity prices fell through the floor.

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but to act like Trump is any worse than any of the other geriatrics who run this country is a shortsighted at best.

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I don't recall any of the other geriatrics bragging about sexually assaulting women and then being found liable by a jury for sexually assaulting a woman, nor do I recall any of the other geriatrics paying hush money to a porn star so that his election effort wouldn't be derailed and then staring straight into a camera and lying to the American people about having done so.

So I disagree with your statement.

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Please look up the definition of "assault" and then explain to us who he "assaulted."

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Jan 6 and fake election claims.

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Even though it's obvious January 6th was staged for the Democratic party?

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That is obvious only to clowns.

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Uhhhh…the head of the Capitol Police was left completely in the dark that day on decisions that were 100% his legal domain. There are countless other things that make it obvious it was planned.

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I know you are not looking for any unsolicited advice but I'm going to give it to you anyway

Don't ever make that argument in front of anyone who you otherwise need to take you seriously.

Have a good night.

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I make arguments regularly in our nation's federal courts. You're welcome to listen to the man tell it himself, and research the issue, which you clearly haven't. That's why you gave a generic, hit-n-run, zero-substance response.



Here you go, palsy.

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When he started running against his own record and started insulting other very good candidates and their followers and telling them he doesn't want them.

Also, when he and his followers will sacrifice objective reality in the face of a possible challenge to Trump.

Trump used to be the bulwark against that. He spoke many a truth that was not allowed to be told. Now, he and his supporters have shown themselves blatantly willing to lie and fabricate recent history that everyone remembers in order to win.

I and many others find it very insulting when we are told to put up with lies, insults, and mockery. You might as well ask me to vote for the Democrats.

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I agree about Trump. But fact is, Progressives hate America, Americans, and Western civilization in general. Trump is not who'd I want (not by a long shot), but in 2024, progressive Democrats actually pose an existential threat to our country and our way of life (Trump and his disciples comparatively harmless).

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Back in the 1980s. He's the same grifter now that would go on Letterman, Oprah...etc back then. The R party has been tainted imo. I dunno if they'll ever get my vote back.

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Then you were never a conservative. Biden is even worse so will the dems ever get your vote ?

Of course they will they always have. Post like this fool no one. And Trump has his problems but they aren't deliberately wrecking the Republic.

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I've never voted Democrat and never will. I'm a fiscal conservative first and foremost and quite frankly don't care about social blah blah. Get the fed out of it. I feel like I should get a tax credit every time our government waste time on that stuff at this point. It was necessary at one time but that was a long time ago.


I'll vote 3rd party again.

As far as not fooling anyone. I dont label myself "conservative" and take up arms for every single issue like I'm an Aggie football fan and always root for my team. I consider our country and government more serious than being a fan of some sports team for entertainment. It's a shame millions of voters disagree. You seem to be among them

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Jan 6 and fake election claims.

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Even though it's obvious January 6th was staged for the Democratic party?

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That is obvious only to clowns.

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Uhhhh…the head of the Capitol Police was left completely in the dark that day on decisions that were 100% his legal domain. There are countless other things that make it obvious it was planned.

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I know you are not looking for any unsolicited advice but I'm going to give it to you anyway

Don't ever make that argument in front of anyone who you otherwise need to take you seriously.

Have a good night.

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I make arguments regularly in our nation's federal courts. You're welcome to listen to the man tell it himself, and research the issue, which you clearly haven't. That's why you gave a generic, hit-n-run, zero-substance response.



Here you go, palsy.

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Tucker huh.


Jack I apologize. That was really rude of me and I usually try not to be that way. I'm just blown away by some of the dots some of y'all manage to connect.

Have a good night.

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Jan 6 and fake election claims.

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Even though it's obvious January 6th was staged for the Democratic party?

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That is obvious only to clowns.

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Uhhhh…the head of the Capitol Police was left completely in the dark that day on decisions that were 100% his legal domain. There are countless other things that make it obvious it was planned.

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I know you are not looking for any unsolicited advice but I'm going to give it to you anyway

Don't ever make that argument in front of anyone who you otherwise need to take you seriously.

Have a good night.

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I make arguments regularly in our nation's federal courts. You're welcome to listen to the man tell it himself, and research the issue, which you clearly haven't. That's why you gave a generic, hit-n-run, zero-substance response.



Here you go, palsy.

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Tucker huh.


Jack I apologize. That was really rude of me and I usually try not to be that way. I'm just blown away by some of the dots some of y'all manage to connect.

Have a good night.

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Listen to the interview. If you have an issue with Tucker's questions, say so. But this isn't a summary of what a source said; it's the source in his own words.

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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No, the policy positions he has taken on this board make him basically a Marxist. Some of us have been on this board for more than 20 years. You're new here, but we know quite about about each other's political positions.

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aggielatoo said:

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Jan 6 and fake election claims.

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You couldn't pay me to vote for Trump again. I happily voted for him twice, but as he has gotten older he's just gone off the deep end. He was great for the country in 2016, but I don't think he would be great for the country in 2024. If he wins, great - it'll be another entertaining **** show. If not then we'll just need to keep the House or Senate another 4 years and we'll survive. If we don't manage that then burn, baby burn...

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Tell me how you think Biden would a superior choice and why, with any logic, you think that it is better to have the country "burn, baby burn"?

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I don't think Biden would be a better choice. But I won't vote for either of them. I think the only way this country gets better is if it hits rock bottom (and we're not there yet). So, yeah...burn baby burn. After that then people might stop voting like sheep for whatever candidate has the appropriate R or D next to their name.

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But this isn't a game. It's not like dealing with an addict to have them truly come to the point where they want and accept the necessary help.

We're talking national security, world stability, economic stability, some of the most basic necessities in every Americans life could be compromised.

You WILL NOT make the cool change that you think you would by sitting it out.

Put the mean tweets aside and realize this is now for your own good, whether you like it or not. Sure, go ahead and tell everybody how much you hate him but you know the better POTUS for all of us is Trump.

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Trump does more long term damage to the Republican party (and more importantly conservatism) than would happen in another 4 years of Biden. I'm in it for the long game, not 4 more years of not-Biden. So you and the other Trump sycophants can keep crying all you want, it won't change my mind. Trump isn't the future - he's an 8 year old bandaid stuck onto an open wound oozing puss.

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Name call all want and really couldn't care less if you don't change your mind. In November you'll only have a choice between the pathetic condition of our country under Biden or improving conditions under Trump. If you're incapable of seeing that reality, your TDS is your problem not the populists voters who want change.

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Laugh all you want but the more valid observation is the mockery of justice being waged by liberals against Trump and any conservative.

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Old McDonald said:

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he never had me, but everything he did after the 2020 election up to jan 6th is what converted me from "won't vote for trump" to "will crawl over broken glass to vote against trump."

i'll admit it's been vindicating to see many in this forum slowly wake up to what we've been saying about him since he came down the golden escalator.

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Yeah, Trump is the problem with the country. What a load of sh*t. I've woken up to an open border that's going to contribute to our eventual economic collapse. Our nationalism has been destroyed. We have a generation of you owe me everything and bye the way I don't want to work to earn it. LEGAL, open looting in department and retail stores. We're singing to National Anthems??? WTF. This country has gone to hell. Mentally disturbed young men and women are mutulating their bodies. Men calling themselves a woman are given more rights than a biological female. Yeah, things are so much better now and we benefit from a lying dementia patient who is no better than the prior POTUS and much less competent. Pump your chest democratic socialist, the country was 1000 times better off under Trump. I don't like him, but he was effective.

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Dude, almost everything you mentioned above was happening under Trump as well.

He wasn't/isn't some silver bullet for everything that plagues our country and culture.

His economy was good (though supported by sub 2% interest rates for most of his term). But the greatest ever rhetoric is pure propaganda.

The GDP growth was fine (mid 2% range). Unemployment was crazy low (but conveniently no one brings out labor participation during Trump years either).

2017-2019 has passed into legend for some reason. Heck the stock market was negative in 2018 and growth was clearly slowing even prior to COVID (we had 1.8% GDP growth in Q4 2019 and were looking like Q1 would be negative even prior to COVID).

The oil prices people love to use as a comparison occurred during the first few months of COVID when worldwide commodity prices fell through the floor.

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In another thread on here yesterday, the GDP numbers were printed by Presidential Administration

Trump was middle of the pack BEFORE Covid. After Covid he was one of the worst.

but Trumpers can't fathom a Presidential Administration actually lasts 4 years, not just the three years you want to use to prove a point.

Robert F. Kennedy will be on the ballot

so will likely another independent.

and there are write ins.

it's another lie that either vote Biden or Trump are the sole options

what happens if he lives in California, Maryland (like I do) or West Virginia?!

his vote is going to decide who the President is?

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Robert F. Kennedy will be on the ballot

so will likely another independent.

and there are write ins.

it's another lie that either vote Biden or Trump are the sole options

what happens if he lives in California, Maryland (like I do) or West Virginia?!

his vote is going to decide who the President is?

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Please do vote for a third party candidate, any vote Biden and the dems don't receive is valuable.

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Come on, man. You know that lawsuit is horse ***** It's about as legitimate as the Kavanaugh accusation. He was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing because it was an unverified story that happened back in 1996 to some lady that all of a sudden wants to file charges after almost 30 years…at a time when she's trying to sell a book. This is a joke. Even the civil proceedings are ridiculous. A jury found that Trump is guilty of defamation because he denied the rape charges (of which he was acquitted) which meant that the supposed victim was a liar. Everyone should be outraged at the abuses in our justice system. Instead, people are happy to turn a blind eye as long as Trump is the one being punished. The people who celebrate this and like to throw stones at Trump because of his poor moral character should duck.

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aggielatoo said:

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Come on, man. You know that lawsuit is horse ***** It's about as legitimate as the Kavanaugh accusation. He was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing because it was an unverified story that happened back in 1996 to some lady that all of a sudden wants to file charges after almost 30 years…at a time when she's trying to sell a book. This is a joke. Even the civil proceedings are ridiculous. A jury found that Trump is guilty of defamation because he denied the rape charges (of which he was acquitted) which meant that the supposed victim was a liar. Everyone should be outraged at the abuses in our justice system. Instead, people are happy to turn a blind eye as long as Trump is the one being punished. The people who celebrate this and like to throw stones at Trump because of his poor moral character should duck.

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I completely agree with you. I was just answering the question posed by one of the board's Trump haters and/or socialists.

They're about to steal a lot of Trump's money over a made-up charge. I am hoping - and pretty sure - Trump personally owns very little, so maybe they won't really get much from what will probably be a $1B judgement. The same people who elected the DA on "get Trump" are sitting on the jury.

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It's sad to see supposedly educated people believing unsourced media lies about Trump. Suckers, losers, disabled parade...all anonymous sources or sources close to the situation.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

"A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all 'suckers' because 'there is nothing in it for them,'" Kelly said of Trump. "A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because 'it doesn't look good for me.' A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family for all Gold Star families on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America's defense are 'losers' and wouldn't visit their graves in France."

Obviously nothing I or anyone else is going to change your mind on the subject, but I'm a Navy veteran who has never voted for a Democrat and probably never will, but there is zero chance I will vote for this man.

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Why do you believe Kelly? That's all hearsay.

You're telling us that if it were 50/50 and you had the last vote in America that would decide to, you wouldn't vote for him?

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Kelly was Trump's longest serving Chief of Staff. He had more access and time spent with him than anyone. That being said, if this were in a vacuum I'd be skeptical because it's so outrageously anti-American that it defies logic. But it's not in a vacuum. Many, if not most of Trump's former cabinet level advisors say the exact same thing. These people were hand-picked by Trump and were held as heroes of the Republican Party when they were selected for service and treated like swamp creatures the minute they decided to speak up against Trump. Kelly, Mattis, Tillerson, Pence, Barr, etc. were the pinnacle of Military, Business, and Political leadership until that day that Trump said they weren't. It's impossible to square that he "only hires the best people" with all of his chosen advisors being idiot communist marxist swamp people out to get him.

Just read these quotes from those that worked with him every day.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what-matters/index.html

So to answer your question, yes I am telling you that if I was the deciding vote on Election Day I wouldn't vote for him.

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Wow. John 8:7

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Come on, man. You know that lawsuit is horse ***** It's about as legitimate as the Kavanaugh accusation. He was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing because it was an unverified story that happened back in 1996 to some lady that all of a sudden wants to file charges after almost 30 years…at a time when she's trying to sell a book. This is a joke. Even the civil proceedings are ridiculous. A jury found that Trump is guilty of defamation because he denied the rape charges (of which he was acquitted) which meant that the supposed victim was a liar. Everyone should be outraged at the abuses in our justice system. Instead, people are happy to turn a blind eye as long as Trump is the one being punished. The people who celebrate this and like to throw stones at Trump because of his poor moral character should duck.

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Maybe he just walked up.and grabbed her by the *****, as Trump himself says he does


Believing Trump is a far bigger stretch than believing her. The guy lies like a toddler, chocolate covered face, hand in the cookie jar

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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Wow. John 8:7

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Is that really the argument you want to go with or would you rather reserve the right to continue calling out pro choice people? Can't really have it both ways.

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Come on, man. You know that lawsuit is horse ***** It's about as legitimate as the Kavanaugh accusation. He was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing because it was an unverified story that happened back in 1996 to some lady that all of a sudden wants to file charges after almost 30 years…at a time when she's trying to sell a book. This is a joke. Even the civil proceedings are ridiculous. A jury found that Trump is guilty of defamation because he denied the rape charges (of which he was acquitted) which meant that the supposed victim was a liar. Everyone should be outraged at the abuses in our justice system. Instead, people are happy to turn a blind eye as long as Trump is the one being punished. The people who celebrate this and like to throw stones at Trump because of his poor moral character should duck.

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Maybe he just walked up.and grabbed her by the *****, as Trump himself says he does


Believing Trump is a far bigger stretch than believing her. The guy lies like a toddler, chocolate covered face, hand in the cookie jar

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You're completely broken. Have fun with Biden.

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Come on, man. You know that lawsuit is horse ***** It's about as legitimate as the Kavanaugh accusation. He was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing because it was an unverified story that happened back in 1996 to some lady that all of a sudden wants to file charges after almost 30 years…at a time when she's trying to sell a book. This is a joke. Even the civil proceedings are ridiculous. A jury found that Trump is guilty of defamation because he denied the rape charges (of which he was acquitted) which meant that the supposed victim was a liar. Everyone should be outraged at the abuses in our justice system. Instead, people are happy to turn a blind eye as long as Trump is the one being punished. The people who celebrate this and like to throw stones at Trump because of his poor moral character should duck.

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Maybe he just walked up.and grabbed her by the *****, as Trump himself says he does


Believing Trump is a far bigger stretch than believing her. The guy lies like a toddler, chocolate covered face, hand in the cookie jar

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You're completely broken. Have fun with Biden.

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I'd say my fellow conservatives not able to move on from him is a bigger factor for Biden probably being re-elected than people that are not fans by his behavior. I'm going to vote for him because I have to, but people need to seriously look at why many conservatives are done with him. It's a problem. If he's losing people that previously voted for him and alienated more that might, what's his path to victory? Apathy by those that voted Biden last time? Flipping a ton of suburban moms and blue collar workers in the Midwest, southwest, and Georgia?

What, at all, makes that look probable or even feasible with his continued actions?

The two worst politicians in modern American History. Bernie Sanders then Donald Trump. I will vote against populist cults every time. Nikki is my hope for president, and if not I will vote Biden with the hopes that in 4 years the Republican party can rid themselves of Donald Trump and put a real candidate up against Gavin Newsome... He's much worse than Biden.

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Come on, man. You know that lawsuit is horse ***** It's about as legitimate as the Kavanaugh accusation. He was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing because it was an unverified story that happened back in 1996 to some lady that all of a sudden wants to file charges after almost 30 years…at a time when she's trying to sell a book. This is a joke. Even the civil proceedings are ridiculous. A jury found that Trump is guilty of defamation because he denied the rape charges (of which he was acquitted) which meant that the supposed victim was a liar. Everyone should be outraged at the abuses in our justice system. Instead, people are happy to turn a blind eye as long as Trump is the one being punished. The people who celebrate this and like to throw stones at Trump because of his poor moral character should duck.

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Maybe he just walked up.and grabbed her by the *****, as Trump himself says he does


Believing Trump is a far bigger stretch than believing her. The guy lies like a toddler, chocolate covered face, hand in the cookie jar

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You're completely broken. Have fun with Biden.

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I'd say my fellow conservatives not able to move on from him is a bigger factor for Biden probably being re-elected than people that are not fans by his behavior. I'm going to vote for him because I have to, but people need to seriously look at why many conservatives are done with him. It's a problem. If he's losing people that previously voted for him and alienated more that might, what's his path to victory? Apathy by those that voted Biden last time? Flipping a ton of suburban moms and blue collar workers in the Midwest, southwest, and Georgia?

What, at all, makes that look probable or even feasible with his continued actions?

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I make decisions based on the options presented. It's not that complicated. I can't vote for your super candidate because he quit. When the primary gets to Texas, it will be Trump and maybe Haley if she doesn't drop out. Who should I vote for? Both are polling above Biden, so I should be able to take my pick. If that's the case, I'll vote for the one that is best for me and my family. Haley seems like a neo-con RINO akin to the Bushes. I don't really care for that. Trump, while crass and not remotely close to a good person, did some good things that benefitted me while in office. Did he accomplish everything he set out to do? No, but tell me one president that has, especially when the swamp is working against them. If you think that Haley is going to be the candidate to secure the border, reduce taxes, cut regulations, achieve energy independence, protect the second amendment and keep world peace, you're seriously deluding yourself.

When the primary comes around, who are you going to vote for, assuming Haley is still in play?

More importantly, when the general election rolls around, and Trump is the Republican nominee, who will you vote for? Please tell me you're abstaining or voting third-party and then go on to lecture me about the irrationality of supporting Trump.

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Come on, man. You know that lawsuit is horse ***** It's about as legitimate as the Kavanaugh accusation. He was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing because it was an unverified story that happened back in 1996 to some lady that all of a sudden wants to file charges after almost 30 years…at a time when she's trying to sell a book. This is a joke. Even the civil proceedings are ridiculous. A jury found that Trump is guilty of defamation because he denied the rape charges (of which he was acquitted) which meant that the supposed victim was a liar. Everyone should be outraged at the abuses in our justice system. Instead, people are happy to turn a blind eye as long as Trump is the one being punished. The people who celebrate this and like to throw stones at Trump because of his poor moral character should duck.

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Maybe he just walked up.and grabbed her by the *****, as Trump himself says he does


Believing Trump is a far bigger stretch than believing her. The guy lies like a toddler, chocolate covered face, hand in the cookie jar

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You're completely broken. Have fun with Biden.

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I'd say my fellow conservatives not able to move on from him is a bigger factor for Biden probably being re-elected than people that are not fans by his behavior. I'm going to vote for him because I have to, but people need to seriously look at why many conservatives are done with him. It's a problem. If he's losing people that previously voted for him and alienated more that might, what's his path to victory? Apathy by those that voted Biden last time? Flipping a ton of suburban moms and blue collar workers in the Midwest, southwest, and Georgia?

What, at all, makes that look probable or even feasible with his continued actions?

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I make decisions based on the options presented. It's not that complicated. I can't vote for your super candidate because he quit. When the primary gets to Texas, it will be Trump and maybe Haley if she doesn't drop out. Who should I vote for? Both are polling above Biden, so I should be able to take my pick. If that's the case, I'll vote for the one that is best for me and my family. Haley seems like a neo-con RINO akin to the Bushes. I don't really care for that. Trump, while crass and not remotely close to a good person, did some good things that benefitted me while in office. Did he accomplish everything he set out to do? No, but tell me one president that has, especially when the swamp is working against them. If you think that Haley is going to be the candidate to secure the border, reduce taxes, cut regulations, achieve energy independence, protect the second amendment and keep world peace, you're seriously deluding yourself.

When the primary comes around, who are you going to vote for, assuming Haley is still in play?

More importantly, when the general election rolls around, and Trump is the Republican nominee, who will you vote for? Please tell me you're abstaining or voting third-party and then go on to lecture me about the irrationality of supporting Trump.

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Well stated. Think the same way.

The biggest miss by our founding fathers when forming our nation was not putting term limits on the exclusive country club (Congress/Senate).

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I wanted DeSantis but will eagerly pull the trigger for Trump over [Democrat]

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Add me to this spreadsheet.

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Trump never lost me. At every new election the clock resets. I assess the viable candidates (not third-party) that are presented and choose the best one for me and my family. I don't get caught up in a historical "baggage". I just make a cold, calculated decision void of feeling…you know, like a rational adult should.

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Rational adult, the opposite of Trump.

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I don't follow. Do you not think Trump is irrational and therefore would not vote for himself?

Or maybe you're saying that Trump isn't a rational adult therefore you won't vote for him…which would help Biden win the presidency. I guess Biden is the rational adult you prefer. Bold choice.

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A vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for Biden in the General Election. He is going to lose. NH exit polls exposed how weak he is.

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Got it. You don't think Trump can beat Biden. Do you know that Haley can? If you don't actually know? Then it's sounds like you're guessing on both fronts. Also, I don't know that I would solely focus on NH exit polls as a proxy for what will happen in any election. Maybe you have some historical data that shows a strong correlation. I don't keep track of that stuff.

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Exit polls show Haley is significantly more attractive to moderates and independents. And if MAGA and DeSantis supporters really put their money where their mouths are, they'd still vote for her, too. Anyone but a Dem, right? She's the most straight-line path to a GOP victory with the possibility of voting for Rs down ballot instead of against them.

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All of the general election polls on 538 (I only looked at those reported in the last week or so) show Trump leading Biden. Looks like Haley's not the only one that can topple Biden…if you believe in polls…which I assume you do since you referenced exit polls. If both Haley and Trump are projected to win the election versus Biden, I'll vote for the one with the best policies, which is Trump for me. Now, if polls start showing that only Haley has a chance against Biden, I may change my mind…if I believe the polls.

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In that train of thought:

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I really cannot believe the nonsense I'm reading on here. Self-righteous wine-bags aplenty...if you can't contrast the first 3 years of Trump against the last 3 years that we are currently enduring under former vice-president Biden and pull the trigger for Trump, there's little hope left.

He's not a statesman, but he was respected by world leaders. Let their actions speak for themselves. First president to not start a war in my lifetime. Negotiated several peace treaties IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Negotiated trade agreements that were beneficial to ALL Americans.

He says insensitive, crass, and even insulting things. You haven't said anything you'd like a do over on or just in outright jest? What his actions speak to how he sees veterans and active military is plenty louder than the examples several people have brought up on here. That he is irreverent towards some of the leadership in the military may be well placed from what I have seen.

His policies led (pre-Covid) to the best economy we have ever known and a better standard of living and record low unemployment for all Americans including voting blocks that haven't voted Republican in many decades. Bowing to Fauci was his biggest blemish in my eyes, and I want him to recant his praise of the vaccine because it certainly appears to be a greater threat than it could ever be justified to have been a benefit. But Covid was a political weapon, and if you don't know that at this point, well...

In spite of his brashness, he didn't jail and vilify those who opposed him except for those entities that duly deserved it like the grossly biased media that attacked him without ceasing. He didn't prosecute his political opponents (though many wanted him to) which is banana republic style horse hockey. January 6 is a farce. If you've taken that bait, again, well...

He was by far the most pro-life President of my lifetime, and he has provided us with a solid (if yet imperfect, though it will always be) Supreme Court to overturn the unconstitutional RvW that led to a genocide that rivals even the vilest of historical regimes (think Mao or Stalin) of history.

There is plenty more I could add, but unlike the left, I have a job and responsibilities. Trump is far from what I would pick or draw up as an ideal candidate, but he was damn sure effective. I, too held my nose in 2016, but not in 2020. He has my vote in 2024 because I want America to stop going down the wide road we are currently on...a road to certain destruction.

There's no hero worship here. When the Trump era comes to an end, I hope that we can get a more palatable candidate on the Republican ticket. But I don't want any more weak and ineffective sellouts and blow hards...the kind of politicians who bend with the wind...the Haley,s and McCarthy's and Romney's and McConnell's and, yes, Bush's of the party. Their days need to be numbered because the only way we will stave off the left is to push back against their anti-American, anti-human, anti-freedom policies as forcefully as they push. So give me Trump 2024!

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Well stated.

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His policies led (pre-Covid) to the best economy we have ever known and a better standard of living and record low unemployment for all Americans

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This is demonstrably untrue. GDP growth during Trump's first three years (pre-Covid) averaged 2.5%.

GDP growth under other presidents:

Obama - 2.6%

Jimmy Carter - 3.25%

Ronald Reagan - 3.48%

Bill Clinton - 3.88 %

Biden (first three years) - 3.4%

JFK (only three years) - 5.9%

Of course, if you look at all four years of Trump's presidency, GDP growth averaged 0.95% per year.


As an aside, since the Great Depression, the economy has performed much better under Democrat Presidents than under Republicans. GDP Democrats keep handing Republicans great economies and Republicans keep handing Democrats crappy economies.

The fact that supposedly educated Aggies buy into the myth of the great Trump economy saddens me.

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Those GDP numbers include factoring in inflation?

When he didn't delete his Twitter account on election night, opened his ugly mouth far too many times, and decided not to consistently conduct himself within the dignity and stature of the office of the presidency.