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this tells me we have a ton of converts here..

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You have a handful of vocal converts and a lot of people who still support Trump but dont waste their time on message boards arguing about primary where the frontrunner has a 50 point lead.

Did you really expect MAGA supporters to be interested in debates between high heels Ron and Nimarata ?

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One of my favorites of the Trump crowd is to say that DeSantis is somehow a sissy for wearing Lucchese cowboy boots that are almost exactly like what Reagan wore and Trump is a Manly Man who wears custom Italian loafers that literally do have lifts in them.

That actually illustrates the OP to me btw. Trump lies with a reckless abandon and gets people to go along with the lies because it makes a good insult. Even when you can show them it is a lie they ignore it because that would mean they would have to admit what he got them to do. It's easier to keep lying and then go after the people trying to tell you the truth.

That's really an issue because there are real issues that being on the side of truth matters but since his credibility was already shot because he lied openly about other things people who already don't like him are going to assume he is still lying. His supporters simply ignore that or don't understand it.

I'll vote for Trump but I'm done with pretending he is something he isn't. He has my vote simply because he is better than the alternative, that's it. The fact he is actively trying to tell people now who already don't like him and are only voting for him because they hate Democrats more that he doesn't want them is just the latest stupidity. A lot of you really wanted this though so I guess we get to FAFO. If he wins, great. Not much will get done but at least we won't go full Socialist. If he loses we are all completely screwed. This is what a lot of you guys wanted so just own it. I will say that continuing to insult conservatives and other Republicans that are on the fence of voting for Trump probably isn't the best strategy though.

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Speaking of lies.....

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Lol, if I could vote for McCain, Romney, and Dole I can sure as hell vote for Trump AGAIN. I love that out of all of that your first instinct was to call me a liar and completely miss the point.

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I don't believe you. You're too passionate about your dislike for Trump. Have just about sold me on why waste a vote then I realize what you are up too.

Biden man.

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You couldn't pay me to vote for Trump again. I happily voted for him twice, but as he has gotten older he's just gone off the deep end. He was great for the country in 2016, but I don't think he would be great for the country in 2024. If he wins, great - it'll be another entertaining **** show. If not then we'll just need to keep the House or Senate another 4 years and we'll survive. If we don't manage that then burn, baby burn...

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Tell me how you think Biden would a superior choice and why, with any logic, you think that it is better to have the country "burn, baby burn"?

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I don't think Biden would be a better choice. But I won't vote for either of them. I think the only way this country gets better is if it hits rock bottom (and we're not there yet). So, yeah...burn baby burn. After that then people might stop voting like sheep for whatever candidate has the appropriate R or D next to their name.

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But this isn't a game. It's not like dealing with an addict to have them truly come to the point where they want and accept the necessary help.

We're talking national security, world stability, economic stability, some of the most basic necessities in every Americans life could be compromised.

You WILL NOT make the cool change that you think you would by sitting it out.

Put the mean tweets aside and realize this is now for your own good, whether you like it or not. Sure, go ahead and tell everybody how much you hate him but you know the better POTUS for all of us is Trump.

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That's a winning strategy. But Trump can't help but make it all about himself, instead of making it about all of those things, which is likely to be a losing strategy.

I did not vote for McCain, Romney, or George W Bush. Either third party candidate or blank for each of those elections.

So if someone is doing that this time, I disagree with your choice but I can't criticize your decision.

However if you voted for one of those guys and Trump is where you draw the line... Then you are either just not a conservative by any meaningful definition or I question your political emotional stability.

And anyone saying this was a MAGA board back in the day was obviously not here during 2016. This board was more in love with Ted Cruz than his wife is.

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Trump never lost me. At every new election the clock resets. I assess the viable candidates (not third-party) that are presented and choose the best one for me and my family. I don't get caught up in a historical "baggage". I just make a cold, calculated decision void of feeling…you know, like a rational adult should.

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Rational adult, the opposite of Trump.

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I don't follow. Do you not think Trump is irrational and therefore would not vote for himself?

Or maybe you're saying that Trump isn't a rational adult therefore you won't vote for him…which would help Biden win the presidency. I guess Biden is the rational adult you prefer. Bold choice.

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A vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for Biden in the General Election. He is going to lose. NH exit polls exposed how weak he is.

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Got it. You don't think Trump can beat Biden. Do you know that Haley can? If you don't actually know? Then it's sounds like you're guessing on both fronts. Also, I don't know that I would solely focus on NH exit polls as a proxy for what will happen in any election. Maybe you have some historical data that shows a strong correlation. I don't keep track of that stuff.

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Exit polls show Haley is significantly more attractive to moderates and independents. And if MAGA and DeSantis supporters really put their money where their mouths are, they'd still vote for her, too. Anyone but a Dem, right? She's the most straight-line path to a GOP victory with the possibility of voting for Rs down ballot instead of against them.

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A non vote for Haley is a vote for "we are sick of the uni-party RINO BS"...

She is the safer pick, but what does it get us in the future? Just more of the same ole same stinky swamp monsters...

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Trump never lost me. At every new election the clock resets. I assess the viable candidates (not third-party) that are presented and choose the best one for me and my family. I don't get caught up in a historical "baggage". I just make a cold, calculated decision void of feeling…you know, like a rational adult should.

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Rational adult, the opposite of Trump.

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I don't follow. Do you not think Trump is irrational and therefore would not vote for himself?

Or maybe you're saying that Trump isn't a rational adult therefore you won't vote for him…which would help Biden win the presidency. I guess Biden is the rational adult you prefer. Bold choice.

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A vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for Biden in the General Election. He is going to lose. NH exit polls exposed how weak he is.

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Got it. You don't think Trump can beat Biden. Do you know that Haley can? If you don't actually know? Then it's sounds like you're guessing on both fronts. Also, I don't know that I would solely focus on NH exit polls as a proxy for what will happen in any election. Maybe you have some historical data that shows a strong correlation. I don't keep track of that stuff.

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Exit polls show Haley is significantly more attractive to moderates and independents. And if MAGA and DeSantis supporters really put their money where their mouths are, they'd still vote for her, too. Anyone but a Dem, right? She's the most straight-line path to a GOP victory with the possibility of voting for Rs down ballot instead of against them.

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It's quite frankly insane because Haley was Trump's appointee to the UN and by most Republicans' view did a pretty damn good job there. Pulling funding from UNWRA (Palestinian front), unanimous NorK sanctions, and criticism of Russia as needed.

President Trump never had me. I was skeptical from the beginning since all his adult life he was a Democrat. He was a New York businessman which immediately raised red flags for me.

I voted for him twice because the Democratic Party leadership is driven by corruption, self interest and their complete distain for the general public and middle class taxpayers. I was shocked at the success of many of his policies, not that I disagreed with them but that he would support them based on his previous party affiliation.

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Trump never lost me. At every new election the clock resets. I assess the viable candidates (not third-party) that are presented and choose the best one for me and my family. I don't get caught up in a historical "baggage". I just make a cold, calculated decision void of feeling…you know, like a rational adult should.

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Rational adult, the opposite of Trump.

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I don't follow. Do you not think Trump is irrational and therefore would not vote for himself?

Or maybe you're saying that Trump isn't a rational adult therefore you won't vote for him…which would help Biden win the presidency. I guess Biden is the rational adult you prefer. Bold choice.

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A vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for Biden in the General Election. He is going to lose. NH exit polls exposed how weak he is.

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Got it. You don't think Trump can beat Biden. Do you know that Haley can? If you don't actually know? Then it's sounds like you're guessing on both fronts. Also, I don't know that I would solely focus on NH exit polls as a proxy for what will happen in any election. Maybe you have some historical data that shows a strong correlation. I don't keep track of that stuff.

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Exit polls show Haley is significantly more attractive to moderates and independents. And if MAGA and DeSantis supporters really put their money where their mouths are, they'd still vote for her, too. Anyone but a Dem, right? She's the most straight-line path to a GOP victory with the possibility of voting for Rs down ballot instead of against them.

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A non vote for Haley is a vote for "we are sick of the uni-party RINO BS"...

She is the safer pick, but what does it get us in the future? Just more of the same ole same stinky swamp monsters...

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Trump was swamp before "swamp" was a thing.

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I thought his candidacy was actual fraud/joke in 2015/2016. I think he thought it was a joke and was just trying to pump up his brand but then morons actually started to consider his schtick to be real. A New Yorker born on third base pretending to be some kind of economic wizard when all he is is King of the Grift.

He has been grifting off the Presidency ever since. Now he's a cornered mafia-style schmuck whose only hope to avoid jail is to get elected President again. He is now absolutely desperate and will do or say anything to get reelected to avoid prison. He wipes his ass with the Constitution and calls it fighting the "Deep State."

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It WAS that at first. More PR and pumping up the brand. He didn't think he'd actually beat Hillary. He was just as shocked as she was on election night.

I'm not even fully convinced he wants to be president again. He just can't stomach losing to Biden and wants to go out on a high note. Also he knows he's cooked in court and becoming president is his only out, so he's using every delay tactic in the book.

His most incredible grift was convincing the working class that he's a champion for them. And convincing a bunch of gullible people (some of whom are otherwise educated) that the election was stolen from him.

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That's the most amazing thing to me.

A working class dude in Alabama thinks a New Yorker real estate mogul born a multimillionaire "gets them."'

An evangelical thinks a dude married three times who banged a porn star during his last wife's pregnancy; can't name his favorite bible verse, even one, and never goes to Church is devoutly religious.

It's crazy.

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also regularly ****s people over in deals, stiffs his contractors, has a million legal issues civil and criminal going on all the time (and this predates his presidency), regularly lies about everything, seeks power above all else, tries to completely ruin the careers and lives of anyone who disagrees with him. He's pure evil. The least Christian guy EVER, but the evangelicals still love him so much.

I will never, ever understand it.

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It's all well and good to say political foes are evil and that God will punish them, but it's pretty unsatisfying that the punishment occurs offstage. I think they kind of see Trump as God's punishment for their foes in this life - insomuch as social media bloviating is divine punishment.

That he's a faulty instrument isn't as important as the fact that he's willing to be an instrument in exchange for adulation. He's their hammer of God, which is a lot of fun if you look at it from that perspective.

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Jan 6 and fake election claims.

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Even though it's obvious January 6th was staged for the Democratic party?

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Trump never lost me. At every new election the clock resets. I assess the viable candidates (not third-party) that are presented and choose the best one for me and my family. I don't get caught up in a historical "baggage". I just make a cold, calculated decision void of feeling…you know, like a rational adult should.

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Rational adult, the opposite of Trump.

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I don't follow. Do you not think Trump is irrational and therefore would not vote for himself?

Or maybe you're saying that Trump isn't a rational adult therefore you won't vote for him…which would help Biden win the presidency. I guess Biden is the rational adult you prefer. Bold choice.

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A vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for Biden in the General Election. He is going to lose. NH exit polls exposed how weak he is.

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Got it. You don't think Trump can beat Biden. Do you know that Haley can? If you don't actually know? Then it's sounds like you're guessing on both fronts. Also, I don't know that I would solely focus on NH exit polls as a proxy for what will happen in any election. Maybe you have some historical data that shows a strong correlation. I don't keep track of that stuff.

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Exit polls show Haley is significantly more attractive to moderates and independents. And if MAGA and DeSantis supporters really put their money where their mouths are, they'd still vote for her, too. Anyone but a Dem, right? She's the most straight-line path to a GOP victory with the possibility of voting for Rs down ballot instead of against them.

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All of the general election polls on 538 (I only looked at those reported in the last week or so) show Trump leading Biden. Looks like Haley's not the only one that can topple Biden…if you believe in polls…which I assume you do since you referenced exit polls. If both Haley and Trump are projected to win the election versus Biden, I'll vote for the one with the best policies, which is Trump for me. Now, if polls start showing that only Haley has a chance against Biden, I may change my mind…if I believe the polls.

I really cannot believe the nonsense I'm reading on here. Self-righteous wine-bags aplenty...if you can't contrast the first 3 years of Trump against the last 3 years that we are currently enduring under former vice-president Biden and pull the trigger for Trump, there's little hope left.

He's not a statesman, but he was respected by world leaders. Let their actions speak for themselves. First president to not start a war in my lifetime. Negotiated several peace treaties IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Negotiated trade agreements that were beneficial to ALL Americans.

He says insensitive, crass, and even insulting things. You haven't said anything you'd like a do over on or just in outright jest? What his actions speak to how he sees veterans and active military is plenty louder than the examples several people have brought up on here. That he is irreverent towards some of the leadership in the military may be well placed from what I have seen.

His policies led (pre-Covid) to the best economy we have ever known and a better standard of living and record low unemployment for all Americans including voting blocks that haven't voted Republican in many decades. Bowing to Fauci was his biggest blemish in my eyes, and I want him to recant his praise of the vaccine because it certainly appears to be a greater threat than it could ever be justified to have been a benefit. But Covid was a political weapon, and if you don't know that at this point, well...

In spite of his brashness, he didn't jail and vilify those who opposed him except for those entities that duly deserved it like the grossly biased media that attacked him without ceasing. He didn't prosecute his political opponents (though many wanted him to) which is banana republic style horse hockey. January 6 is a farce. If you've taken that bait, again, well...

He was by far the most pro-life President of my lifetime, and he has provided us with a solid (if yet imperfect, though it will always be) Supreme Court to overturn the unconstitutional RvW that led to a genocide that rivals even the vilest of historical regimes (think Mao or Stalin) of history.

There is plenty more I could add, but unlike the left, I have a job and responsibilities. Trump is far from what I would pick or draw up as an ideal candidate, but he was damn sure effective. I, too held my nose in 2016, but not in 2020. He has my vote in 2024 because I want America to stop going down the wide road we are currently on...a road to certain destruction.

There's no hero worship here. When the Trump era comes to an end, I hope that we can get a more palatable candidate on the Republican ticket. But I don't want any more weak and ineffective sellouts and blow hards...the kind of politicians who bend with the wind...the Haley,s and McCarthy's and Romney's and McConnell's and, yes, Bush's of the party. Their days need to be numbered because the only way we will stave off the left is to push back against their anti-American, anti-human, anti-freedom policies as forcefully as they push. So give me Trump 2024!

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You couldn't pay me to vote for Trump again. I happily voted for him twice, but as he has gotten older he's just gone off the deep end. He was great for the country in 2016, but I don't think he would be great for the country in 2024. If he wins, great - it'll be another entertaining **** show. If not then we'll just need to keep the House or Senate another 4 years and we'll survive. If we don't manage that then burn, baby burn...

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Tell me how you think Biden would a superior choice and why, with any logic, you think that it is better to have the country "burn, baby burn"?

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I don't think Biden would be a better choice. But I won't vote for either of them. I think the only way this country gets better is if it hits rock bottom (and we're not there yet). So, yeah...burn baby burn. After that then people might stop voting like sheep for whatever candidate has the appropriate R or D next to their name.

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But this isn't a game. It's not like dealing with an addict to have them truly come to the point where they want and accept the necessary help.

We're talking national security, world stability, economic stability, some of the most basic necessities in every Americans life could be compromised.

You WILL NOT make the cool change that you think you would by sitting it out.

Put the mean tweets aside and realize this is now for your own good, whether you like it or not. Sure, go ahead and tell everybody how much you hate him but you know the better POTUS for all of us is Trump.

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Trump does more long term damage to the Republican party (and more importantly conservatism) than would happen in another 4 years of Biden. I'm in it for the long game, not 4 more years of not-Biden. So you and the other Trump sycophants can keep crying all you want, it won't change my mind. Trump isn't the future - he's an 8 year old bandaid stuck onto an open wound oozing puss.

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What's the long game? Communism? Then people will really see, that will show them. Only problem is, you can't vote yourself out of Socialism or Communism. You gotta fight your way out of those..

Trump isn't the best candidate by far, but at least he is different and has some decent ideals to get the country back on track. We can't keep voting for the same ole Uni-party RINO crap candidates like "W", McCain, Romney, and now Hailey, or that's all we will have to vote for in the future. Those weak RINOs have already done the longterm damage to Republicans.. What kind of damage do you see Trump doing, that they haven't already done a hundred times over?

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You have a handful of vocal converts and a lot of people who still support Trump but dont waste their time on message boards arguing about primary where the frontrunner has a 50 point lead.

Did you really expect MAGA supporters to be interested in debates between high heels Ron and Nimarata ?

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One of my favorites of the Trump crowd is to say that DeSantis is somehow a sissy for wearing Lucchese cowboy boots that are almost exactly like what Reagan wore and Trump is a Manly Man who wears custom Italian loafers that literally do have lifts in them.

That actually illustrates the OP to me btw. Trump lies with a reckless abandon and gets people to go along with the lies because it makes a good insult. Even when you can show them it is a lie they ignore it because that would mean they would have to admit what he got them to do. It's easier to keep lying and then go after the people trying to tell you the truth.

That's really an issue because there are real issues that being on the side of truth matters but since his credibility was already shot because he lied openly about other things people who already don't like him are going to assume he is still lying. His supporters simply ignore that or don't understand it.

I'll vote for Trump but I'm done with pretending he is something he isn't. He has my vote simply because he is better than the alternative, that's it. The fact he is actively trying to tell people now who already don't like him and are only voting for him because they hate Democrats more that he doesn't want them is just the latest stupidity. A lot of you really wanted this though so I guess we get to FAFO. If he wins, great. Not much will get done but at least we won't go full Socialist. If he loses we are all completely screwed. This is what a lot of you guys wanted so just own it. I will say that continuing to insult conservatives and other Republicans that are on the fence of voting for Trump probably isn't the best strategy though.

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Lol, if I could vote for McCain, Romney, and Dole I can sure as hell vote for Trump AGAIN. I love that out of all of that your first instinct was to call me a liar and completely miss the point.

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I don't believe you. You're too passionate about your dislike for Trump. Have just about sold me on why waste a vote then I realize what you are up too.

Biden man.

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lol. Nah already went down that path in the past and voted Libertarian but the more I looked into them the more I saw they were even more terrible. It would just be nice to actually be able to vote for a conservative for President sometime in the General.

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You couldn't pay me to vote for Trump again. I happily voted for him twice, but as he has gotten older he's just gone off the deep end. He was great for the country in 2016, but I don't think he would be great for the country in 2024. If he wins, great - it'll be another entertaining **** show. If not then we'll just need to keep the House or Senate another 4 years and we'll survive. If we don't manage that then burn, baby burn...

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Tell me how you think Biden would a superior choice and why, with any logic, you think that it is better to have the country "burn, baby burn"?

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I don't think Biden would be a better choice. But I won't vote for either of them. I think the only way this country gets better is if it hits rock bottom (and we're not there yet). So, yeah...burn baby burn. After that then people might stop voting like sheep for whatever candidate has the appropriate R or D next to their name.

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But this isn't a game. It's not like dealing with an addict to have them truly come to the point where they want and accept the necessary help.

We're talking national security, world stability, economic stability, some of the most basic necessities in every Americans life could be compromised.

You WILL NOT make the cool change that you think you would by sitting it out.

Put the mean tweets aside and realize this is now for your own good, whether you like it or not. Sure, go ahead and tell everybody how much you hate him but you know the better POTUS for all of us is Trump.

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Trump does more long term damage to the Republican party (and more importantly conservatism) than would happen in another 4 years of Biden. I'm in it for the long game, not 4 more years of not-Biden. So you and the other Trump sycophants can keep crying all you want, it won't change my mind. Trump isn't the future - he's an 8 year old bandaid stuck onto an open wound oozing puss.

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What's the long game? Communism? Then people will really see, that will show them. Only problem is, you can't vote yourself out of Socialism or Communism. You gotta fight your way out of those..

Trump isn't the best candidate by far, but at least he is different and has some decent ideals to get the country back on track. We can't keep voting for the same ole Uni-party RINO crap candidates like "W", McCain, Romney, and now Hailey, or that's all we will have to vote for in the future. Those weak RINOs have already done the longterm damage to Republicans.. What kind of damage do you see Trump doing, that they haven't already done a hundred times over?

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Plus, yall are overlooking a huge problem that Trump has and is willing to combat with ferocity. The border and illegals. We're currently at 22 million illegals. Biden and democrats want to grant them all citizenship with voting rights, then bring in even more. The largest win in history for the POTUS is 17 million. This isn't about helping those in need. It is about creating an insurmountable vote lead with a population who will create more future voters than any other group. That's wonderful for you if you're a Democrat and want to stay in power without the threat of another party competing for the votes.

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She is the safer pick, but what does it get us in the future? Just more of the same ole same stinky swamp monsters...

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What does trump done to combat the swamp? He doesn't care about draining the swamp. He cares about trading out detractors for supporters. He'd gladly endorse a "swamp monster" that says nice things about him. He doesn't dislike people McConnell because they're swampy. He dislikes them because they stand in his way.

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He's combatted the swamp by being different, changing the message of the Republican party, standing up to DEMs, not laying down for them...Gotta start somewhere. Maybe he is not conservative, or a RINO, but he is different.

Most of the Republicans in Congress now have no backbone, they are just party line people on the defensive all the damn time and taking punches all the damn time, and not standing up for what they may or may not believe in...Who knows what some of them believe in? They mostly just give it away when the DEMs ask them for anything to try to look like they are working across the aisle.

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Biden and democrats want to grant them all citizenship with voting rights, then bring in even more.

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It's not that I don't believe you, but do you have a quote from Biden that says this?

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I belong to a party called the Anti-Democrats, Trump 2020 is the only candidate I've ever voted FOR, this year however will be business as usual. Trump can't shut his ****ing mouth to help his cause, but because his rabid supporters are mouth breathers who live in a world of gotcha sound bites it doesn't matter to them. In 2020 he had a very good track record with plenty to be proud of, now he's just a idiot with no ****ing filter. What kind of moron who, knowing the media have spent 8 years calling him a nazi and white supremacist and fascist, admits he's gonna be a dictator the first day?! The whole point is to get people to vote for you instead of the other guy and he just can't STFU.

As an anti democrat I will be forced to vote trump, but like 2016 I will hold my nose and shake my head and hope he picks someone like Milei as a VP so he can die and "Milei" can take over

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que? what is this MILEI

My wallet would like to tell you how it feels about your statistics.

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Jan 6 and fake election claims.

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Even though it's obvious January 6th was staged for the Democratic party?

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Other than the fact that he was a lifelong Democrat, why would he stage something for the Democrat party?

Don't bother with all these sour grapes DeSantis people who say they won't vote for either Trump or Biden. Let them take their ball and go home. Biden will lose with or without them.

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His policies led (pre-Covid) to the best economy we have ever known and a better standard of living and record low unemployment for all Americans

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This is demonstrably untrue. GDP growth during Trump's first three years (pre-Covid) averaged 2.5%.

GDP growth under other presidents:

Obama - 2.6%

Jimmy Carter - 3.25%

Ronald Reagan - 3.48%

Bill Clinton - 3.88 %

Biden (first three years) - 3.4%

JFK (only three years) - 5.9%

Of course, if you look at all four years of Trump's presidency, GDP growth averaged 0.95% per year.


As an aside, since the Great Depression, the economy has performed much better under Democrat Presidents than under Republicans. GDP Democrats keep handing Republicans great economies and Republicans keep handing Democrats crappy economies.

The fact that supposedly educated Aggies buy into the myth of the great Trump economy saddens me.

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Thank you Apotheosis

I just posted the same general response on another thread.

as always, Trump and his slavish followers simply make up things they wish were true.

even when it is DEMONSTRABLY FALSE.

I mean, the ACTUAL STATISTICS ARE RIGHT HERE being posted for many President's who had BETTER economic growth than Trump.

but somehow Trump is this Thomas Sowell wunderkind.

personally, I have made more money under Biden than I did under shutdown/vaccine promoter Trump.

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Jan 6 and fake election claims.

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Even though it's obvious January 6th was staged for the Democratic party?

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Other than the fact that he was a lifelong Democrat, why would he stage something for the Democrat party?

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He already tried it to begin his presidency!

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His policies led (pre-Covid) to the best economy we have ever known and a better standard of living and record low unemployment for all Americans

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This is demonstrably untrue. GDP growth during Trump's first three years (pre-Covid) averaged 2.5%.

GDP growth under other presidents:

Obama - 2.6%

Jimmy Carter - 3.25%

Ronald Reagan - 3.48%

Bill Clinton - 3.88 %

Biden (first three years) - 3.4%

JFK (only three years) - 5.9%

Of course, if you look at all four years of Trump's presidency, GDP growth averaged 0.95% per year.


As an aside, since the Great Depression, the economy has performed much better under Democrat Presidents than under Republicans. GDP Democrats keep handing Republicans great economies and Republicans keep handing Democrats crappy economies.

The fact that supposedly educated Aggies buy into the myth of the great Trump economy saddens me.

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The impacts on economic decisions usually have longterm effects and carry over into the next Presidency.

Just like when Clinton was President and made it easy for everyone and their dog to qualify and get a ARM mortgage to buy a house, guess who got the blame when the housing market collapsed? "W"...Also, when Clinton was president, the tech bubble was already starting to collapse as he was leaving office, so no, he did not turn over an awesome economy..He turned over a ticking time bomb.

Trump had the economy rolling with no brakes, but then a fricking pandemic hit like we haven't seen since the Spanish Flu in this country. At least it was built up to be like that and nobody in the whole world really knew what the outcome was going to be so entire countries got shutdown...We are still recovering from all that crap 3 years into Biden's BS. High Interest Rates and Inflation are still here. Don't even think about buying a house or a new car unless you are upper middle class or higher status...People from all over the world are still migrating here in droves because of the economic collapses from the Covid 19 BS..

Trump has a serous personality disorder. Biden has dementia and is also a traitor to America. it's awful that we have to choose between them.

On occasion, Trump can be reasonable, like after he won Iowa. Then he reverts and his personality disorder takes over, like after New Hampshire.

The Marxists are running the country using Biden as the mechanism for power. I'll vote against that regardless.