We should be getting more politically active and organizing and being vocal and raising election funds like the left does for their causes. That is what will help stop this: replacing incompetent or malicious leadership.

The Dems observed as soon as they had a court case that required any warm body to be counted in the census for apportionment that they needed to flood their ****ty states and particularly urban areas with millions of welfare dependent illegals they could entrap and then count in Democrat dominated areas in order to get more house districts and therefore more electors. Their idiot policies were driving out the middle class and working Americans, but any warm body counts in the census thanks to SCOTUS.

I'm generally pretty skeptical of the 2020 steal argument, but considering most on this forum are absolutely 100% convinced that their votes were blatantly taken away from them and their response has only been "Well, hopefully they let my right to vote actually count this next time" I really don't see anyone taking up arms to defend the border. If the right to vote is taken away and you guys aren't shooting then everything else is insignificant anyway.

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I'm generally pretty skeptical of the 2020 steal argument, but considering most on this forum are absolutely 100% convinced that their votes were blatantly taken away from them and their response has only been "Well, hopefully they let my right to vote actually count this next time" I really don't see anyone taking up arms to defend the border. If the right to vote is taken away and you guys aren't shooting then everything else is insignificant anyway.

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They know Trump is lying. They just won't admit it here. Frank

Good post.

I don't think it's possible. It's fantasy land to believe we'd organize in a manner that represents an effective, armed militia.

Thinking about this, my first question is - who can I trust? Through recent events, we know the government apparatus is huge. The reach and prevalence of the three letter agencies is wide and far. We're completely surveilled. Worse still, we live in a populous who overwhelmingly will rely on someone else to come to their aid. Where I live, people will barely lift a finger for a neighbor.

We can dissect it all we want. The real question though, IMO, is how do attitudes change when it becomes an existential threat - beyond a single horrible incident? Right now, this is a theoretical topic. But history repeats itself, and the table is set for turmoil on our lands.

So I think Tucker's question is fair, and I see it as a warning.

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Joes said:

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I'm generally pretty skeptical of the 2020 steal argument, but considering most on this forum are absolutely 100% convinced that their votes were blatantly taken away from them and their response has only been "Well, hopefully they let my right to vote actually count this next time" I really don't see anyone taking up arms to defend the border. If the right to vote is taken away and you guys aren't shooting then everything else is insignificant anyway.

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They know Trump is lying. They just won't admit it here. Frank

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You have your liars mixed up, but what's new.

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Good post.

I don't think it's possible. It's fantasy land to believe we'd organize in a manner that represents an effective, armed militia.

Thinking about this, my first question is - who can I trust? Through recent events, we know the government apparatus is huge. The reach and prevalence of the three letter agencies is wide and far. We're completely surveilled. Worse still, we live in a populous who overwhelmingly will rely on someone else to come to their aid. Where I live, people will barely lift a finger for a neighbor.

We can dissect it all we want. The real question though, IMO, is how do attitudes change when it becomes an existential threat - beyond a single horrible incident? Right now, this is a theoretical topic. But history repeats itself, and the table is set for turmoil on our lands.

So I think Tucker's question is fair, and I see it as a warning.

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I dont disagree with any of that.

In a perfect world, the State/Country supports it's citizens, and organizes the effort.

But when you're being threatened by the Federal Govt, and your home State is actively fighting them with every effort they make, it's not realistic.

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OMG, Yall take everything so literal nowadays. He is not calling for Texas men to grab arms and head to the Border (don't tell me that is "what he said"). He's meaning to act with local politicians/groups etc to help resolve this issue because it is out of hand.

Like when Trump said he will be a dictator for the first day. And the MSM has run with this as literal. No one has a sense of humor anymore and everyone lacks common freaking sense.

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Again, please interpret for me...I must be dumb. This sounds like more than just "vote", "call your congressmen" etc etc...

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That leaves the population to defend itself. Where are the men of Texas? Why aren't they protecting their state and the nation?

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At very best, he was trying to tell us to start picking up phones and sending emails, and it is just a horrendously worded statement...but he's a smart guy, so I doubt that's the case here.

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Tucker has lost it. There are some circumstances worth taking up arms, and there are some that are not. If I thought illegals were coming to murder my kids or grands, I would take up arms. As it is now, I'm working from home, collecting a good salary, and posting on TexAgs. Tonight, I'll drive to College Station and watch a bunch of young men try and put an orange sphere through an orange circle, while another group of young men tries to stop them. I'm not suggesting that the illegals have had no effect on my life - they have, especially when consider the future quality of life of those kids and grands. But as it is now, I'm virtually unaffected, so it's not worth taking up arms. And if we continue to have idiot Dems in charge, that likely will change.

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In other words this particular frog is enjoying his slow boil even if he's mildly aware of the situation.

I'm with you and just messing with you but reading the post made me chuckle from the frog boiling analogy.

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Because you'll be thrown in prison.

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For what exactly?

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You're kidding right? The current regime is "Show me the man and I'll find the crime" when it comes to conservatives. A group of Texans defending the border would be enemy #1 of FedGov and would be prosecuted for dozens of "crimes". They've made that very clear.

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Exactly. Remember what they did to licensed/trained agents, who had legal authority to act? (story below)

Can you imagine what they'll do to the citizens protecting themselves? Overnight you'll be the violent murderous MAGA vigilantes.

The problem isn't that people are afraid to protect our border. They're afraid of what our own country will do to them, if they act. It's completely backwards. Washington's job is to 'provide for the common defense'. Instead of doing their duty, they're punishing people/States who even try to stem the problem.

I have a duty to my family first. Going vigilante helps no one. If our country would back them, I bet a lot more citizens would sign up to help...overnight.

We're all waiting for the inevitable to happen. At some point, a horrible incident will occur, and all we'll be able to do is shake our heads, cry for our lost nation, and wish people would have listened.
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Border Agent grabs a shirt. Is accused of 'whipping' migrants. Biden said it was terrible and they'd pay. Kamala said it reminded her of slavery days. They're eventually found innocent of those charges, but punished anyway by Biden/Mayorkas. They reason?...using a horse improperly and using harsh language.


https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/border-agents-falsely-accused-of-whipping-migrants-punishment/

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That's just an UberEats employee trying to get his orders from Ciudad Juarez to EPT.

/CMs

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Tucker has lost it. There are some circumstances worth taking up arms, and there are some that are not. If I thought illegals were coming to murder my kids or grands, I would take up arms. As it is now, I'm working from home, collecting a good salary, and posting on TexAgs. Tonight, I'll drive to College Station and watch a bunch of young men try and put an orange sphere through an orange circle, while another group of young men tries to stop them. I'm not suggesting that the illegals have had no effect on my life - they have, especially when consider the future quality of life of those kids and grands. But as it is now, I'm virtually unaffected, so it's not worth taking up arms. And if we continue to have idiot Dems in charge, that likely will change.

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In other words this particular frog is enjoying his slow boil even if he's mildly aware of the situation.

I'm with you and just messing with you but reading the post made me chuckle from the frog boiling analogy.

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"It's my kids and grandkids problem, not mine because my life is still good. Now I gotta get back to watching sports and donating my money to paying football players to come to A&M"

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I'm generally pretty skeptical of the 2020 steal argument, but considering most on this forum are absolutely 100% convinced that their votes were blatantly taken away from them and their response has only been "Well, hopefully they let my right to vote actually count this next time" I really don't see anyone taking up arms to defend the border. If the right to vote is taken away and you guys aren't shooting then everything else is insignificant anyway.

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You are so lost.

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Insurrection, rioting, fire arms charges of some kind, sedition, interference with the Gov.

I could go on. They will fabricate many charges. They have political prisoners still in jail with no trial for the Capitol "insurrection".

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Aren't these reasons TO do something? Are we to just submit?

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I'm generally pretty skeptical of the 2020 steal argument, but considering most on this forum are absolutely 100% convinced that their votes were blatantly taken away from them and their response has only been "Well, hopefully they let my right to vote actually count this next time" I really don't see anyone taking up arms to defend the border. If the right to vote is taken away and you guys aren't shooting then everything else is insignificant anyway.

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You are so lost.

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I know that wasn't directed at me but I honestly don't understand why you guys aren't shooting then if you're all confident the right to vote has been taken away. What else does it take?

This is the guy issuing threats in the video I posted earlier in the thread.

So now Democrats want Islamic Terrorists in our country this is Movsum Samadov he is the leader of the Islamic Terrorists group Azerbaijani Islamic party he actually served 12 years after being convicted of trying to overthrow the government he just arrived to start chaos here pic.twitter.com/aIajMGLv9r

— 1mZerOCool🍎🎸🤘 (@1mZerOCool) January 23, 2024

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The last part of his tweet is laughable. Pretty sure he was just taken to the shooting range a few times recently and now thinks he's a militia man. Basically calling us all out from his comfortable mansion on the other side of the country for not strapping up and heading to the border to wage war and face life behind bars.

Like we're supposed to believe if he lived here he'd be on the front lines in his tailored dress shirt, khakis and loafers, manning an AR-15.

I've always been a fan in general, but this reveals a lot about his character to me. He needs to tone it down with the tough guy talk or back it up for once in his coddled life. Sick of out of touch hypocrites with zero self awareness.

So it’s unanimous: everyone in power, from the White House, to the hedge fund managers, to the Supreme Court of the United States has decided to destroy the country by allowing it to be invaded. That leaves the population to defend itself. Where are the men of Texas? Why aren’t…

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) January 23, 2024

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Tucker stirring the pot for viewership. He'd be the last person to ever physically defend anything.

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Why is it only texans job? Hes a man of this country... why doesnt he go lead by example?

He has plenty of followers to start a movement, instead he points to others to act.

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So why aren't we acting?

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Good question. I imagine because some still hope the government of Texas will do something or its close enough for Trump to get in office that they hope he will take care of it.

But man, if Trump drops the ball...especially in Texas where the state seems all in on any an all means to stop immigration...then people are going to freak out. That's when I think you'll see individual citizens attempt to act on their own.

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We agree. It will an incitement if it continues. It's not yet. This is like Madame Defarge keeping notes until it's time. However, I still have faith that voters will stop it. Some think that is naive, but I have faith.

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Correct. That is naive. There are two problems with this. Without free and fair elections, voters no longer have a say in this. And the second problem is that no republican has the nuts to deport 10 million illegals. All the cards are stacked in the Marxists favor and that leads to this country losing its identity.

This is where Tucker's comments come in. That's where we are now.

If it's ok to just let anyone come through in the southern border, why do we even have customs etc at Airports? Just let people come on through and we can check in with them at a later date. The whole thing is non-sensical. Also, it's not just Mexicans and Central Americans coming across, they are coming from all over the world. Seems pretty irresponsible to me. Is it going to take a major terrorism incident again to get Politicians to act?

Beware of people asking why you aren't taking action while they're busy in a studio interviewing Catturd and a Kevin Spacey TV character. https://t.co/y8LXP5XmRH

— Damin Toell (@damintoell) January 23, 2024

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Beware of people asking why you aren't taking action while they're busy in a studio interviewing Catturd and a Kevin Spacey TV character. https://t.co/y8LXP5XmRH

— Damin Toell (@damintoell) January 23, 2024

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We have jobs

Hard to argue with that.

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If it's ok to just let anyone come through in the southern border, why do we even have customs etc at Airports? Just let people come on through and we can check in with them at a later date. The whole thing is non-sensical. Also, it's not just Mexicans and Central Americans coming across, they are coming from all over the world. Seems pretty irresponsible to me. Is it going to take a major terrorism incident again to get Politicians to act?

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I think about this every time I go through customs or TSA. What's the point?

Hey Tucker:

I acknowledged that some would say that it is a naive belief, but that doesn't make it so. I've been hearing people say that it's over since the 1980's, see the 1986 reform (google "Amnesty") and yet we are doing fine. Granted, it is worse now since we have a mediocrity as president but on 20 January 2025 that's going to begin changing.

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This is the guy issuing threats in the video I posted earlier in the thread.

So now Democrats want Islamic Terrorists in our country this is Movsum Samadov he is the leader of the Islamic Terrorists group Azerbaijani Islamic party he actually served 12 years after being convicted of trying to overthrow the government he just arrived to start chaos here pic.twitter.com/aIajMGLv9r

— 1mZerOCool🍎🎸🤘 (@1mZerOCool) January 23, 2024

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That is insane, thanks to

• President Biden,
• Biden's Administration,
• Democratic leadership,
• MSM minions,
• Bureaucratic minions

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If it's ok to just let anyone come through in the southern border, why do we even have customs etc at Airports? Just let people come on through and we can check in with them at a later date. The whole thing is non-sensical. Also, it's not just Mexicans and Central Americans coming across, they are coming from all over the world. Seems pretty irresponsible to me. Is it going to take a major terrorism incident again to get Politicians to act?

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A major terrorism act is a feature not a bug.

And for those that keep saying this has been "happening for decades and we're still doing fine" I don't think they understand the notion of critical mass very well. We're getting there quickly.

Illegal immigration has been problematic for decades but prior to the Obama Administration (and remember, Bill Clinton and the dems in the 90's were very vocally against illegal immigration) it was in fact mostly Mexicans looking for jobs, they lived quietly in the shadows, and sent money home. That absolutely changed once Obama secured his second term.

It has been an absolute third world invasion ever since. Complete open border. Our own government proactively helping them get here and get in, releasing those that are caught or turn themselves in, and no actual mechanism to process them. Fully knowing they will never be removed. It's a truly globalist effort to swamp the country and they are winning. Trump was a speed bump at best.

As a nation, we are so f***ed long term that I'm actually going to say something I never would have thought I would say. I love my sons too much for them to stay here and am dedicating a good portion of my time and money to coming up with some plan for the option of them leaving in the coming years if feasible. Where? Not sure.

Bottonline is that this is not going to change. There is both a domestic and globalist effort to reduce the United States to a "Brazil-like" nation state with hundreds of millions of plebes ruled by a fraction of the population that can effectively hide behind walls, mega wealth, celebrity, and technology.

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Tucker has lost it. There are some circumstances worth taking up arms, and there are some that are not. If I thought illegals were coming to murder my kids or grands, I would take up arms. As it is now, I'm working from home, collecting a good salary, and posting on TexAgs. Tonight, I'll drive to College Station and watch a bunch of young men try and put an orange sphere through an orange circle, while another group of young men tries to stop them. I'm not suggesting that the illegals have had no effect on my life - they have, especially when consider the future quality of life of those kids and grands. But as it is now, I'm virtually unaffected, so it's not worth taking up arms. And if we continue to have idiot Dems in charge, that likely will change.

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First, the reason there hasn't been any wanton killing of illegal immigrants is because people haven't lost it. Nobody wants to do that. If however, as you have alluded to, illegal immigration looked more like Hamas against Israel we would have another story.

Tucker hasn't lost it either. He is right in the call to citizens defending their property, communities, state, and nation. And however one might read into his statement,

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That leaves the population to defend itself. Where are the men of Texas? Why aren't they protecting their state and the nation?

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He did not say take up arms and go Rambo. However, how else would citizens defend themselves against foreign invaders? Therefore the implication, right? Although maybe just arriving at the border en masse and forming a human barricade telling people to go the **** back would be a sight to behold.

But I digress, the reason people are saying **** like this, is because nobody knows what to do. Nobody wants to take up arms. But what is our recourse? We pay taxes to a corrupt government that not only won't defend our person and property, but puts the rights of illegal invaders above our own.

Lastly, that we are, as yet, "virtually unaffected." Several years ago many, if not most, posters here were proclaiming the same about being unaffected by what people do in their bedroom, a pleasant euphemism dismissing any sense of sexual morality, and look where we are only 8 years after the Supreme Court ruling on same sex marriage.

We're the proverbial frog in slowly boiling water when we consider ourselves virtually unaffected.

Given immunity against prosecution I would be more than happy to show up with fellow Texans and start shooting. I actually think the situation is the dire for my children's future. I believe it would only take a day or two and this madness would completely stop.

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I acknowledged that some would say that it is a naive belief, but that doesn't make it so. I've been hearing people say that it's over since the 1980's, see the 1986 reform (google "Amnesty") and yet we are doing fine. Granted, it is worse now since we have a mediocrity as president but on 20 January 2025 that's going to begin changing.

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The problem of millions of illegals in the country isn't a binary problem where it either is a problem or it's not. It's something that has been building over decades. Although Biden has put the pedal to the metal since he stole office.

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Tucker has lost it. There are some circumstances worth taking up arms, and there are some that are not. If I thought illegals were coming to murder my kids or grands, I would take up arms.

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They are literally stealing the nation while we sit.

I am not advocating taking up arms, but we are being invaded by order of the White House.

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Border patrol is facilitating the invasion instead of doing their job.

It's bordering on treason.

I'll only speak for myself - but the answer is simple.

As long as I can hold onto hope for my family's safety and economic opportunity sufficient to live a peaceful existence and serve the lord - that all works against violence.

There is a tipping point. 15 years ago I would have said there is no real threat of us hitting that tipping point in my lifetime. 5 years ago I would have said I was surprised but it now seems possible. Today I am struggling to see any scenario where the tipping point doesn't occur in the next few decades.


The situation in this country has deteriorated quickly, but still I cling to hope that we will find a way out of this death spiral. I hate violence, even though history continues to prove it necessary.

I think the leftist /communists /ruling class all do know that the way a rebellion starts is with the rise of a populist leader who voices the concerns so many are feeling. Thats why they have attacked Trump with everything they have.


He isn't actually the one they need to worry about. He still believes the system can be fixed. The one they need to worry about is will be the one that believes the only answer is to start by burning it all down.

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But not from someone who would never do what he is suggesting we should do. I could see some alpha ex navy seal saying something like that...but Tucker f-ing Carlson? LOL

And again, I generally like and agree with the guy.

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Yeah I hear you. I always thought Tucker came off like a silver spoon California weenie… but amongst his peers, within his trade, he is pretty bold and has taken some big risk lately.

I think BEFORE taking up arms against mostly poor people that are paying to cross the border, we should at least have a few demonstrations of our power and determination to make the Feds start doing their jobs.
But I haven't seen any organizing effort.

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Shagga said:

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Tucker has lost it. There are some circumstances worth taking up arms, and there are some that are not. If I thought illegals were coming to murder my kids or grands, I would take up arms.

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They are literally stealing the nation while we sit.

I am not advocating taking up arms, but we are being invaded by order of the White House.

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Border patrol is facilitating the invasion instead of doing their job.

It's bordering on treason.

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Based on orders.