Educate me. Is it because they will grow on our land and then send it back to China? Or build manufacturing plants but employee low wage? If we had a conflict with China, it's not like we can't just take that land back.

Because they are the enemy we need to be worried about.

2girlsdad said:

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Educate me. Is it because they will grow on our land and then send it back to China? Or build manufacturing plants but employee low wage? If we had a conflict with China, it's not like we can't just take that land back.

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Because you don't let your enemy start a vegetable garden in your back yard?????

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat#Wanted

From Link: The counterintelligence and economic espionage efforts emanating from the government of China and the Chinese Communist Party are a grave threat to the economic well-being and democratic values of the United States.

Confronting this threat is the FBI's top counterintelligence priority.

Arkansas is freaking out about 100 acre research farm that was owned by a chemical company beforehand that eventually ended up being owned by Syngenta which is part of the chicoms now. Every company in this sector owns some land to do research on because they have to do field research to appease the government. Now the government is making it harder for these companies to generate the data to bring new products on the market. No one in agriculture think of Syngenta as the Chinese government. Syngenta is a great company with great products that really help farmers. This is the dumbest hill to try to take over IMO

But what could they use it for? Wouldn't it be super easy to spy on what they are doing on the land?

Small plot herbicide and fungicide research and demonstration. Is 99.9999% of what happens on these little farms. It is vital to the business

I hope this is a rhetorical question.

Since I was a kid in the 80s I've heard about the Chinese owning more and more land as time went by.

If people are only getting upset recently because of this then they either weren't paying attention or didn't care
because in some way it was good for them or their team. Either way, this is really only newsworthy to the 70s and 80s.

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Small plot herbicide and fungicide research and demonstration. Is 99.9999% of what happens on these little farms. It is vital to the business

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They can do the same work leasing without owning the land.

And I absolutely consider Syngenta a communist government owned company, because they are a communist owned company. So, that's one farmer.

Chinese Companies buying up land around our Space and Missile Systems?

Real problem.

Chinese companies buying up land next to an USAF training base?


Meh.

America is on the downhill slide. I was optimistic that it would be a slow slide during my lifetime, but questions like this show me that we are barreling at warp speed to the bottom…

Can Americans own land in China?

Can Americans working with the U.S. military/CIA own land in China?

If the answer is No to both those questions, that's part of your answer.

No Chinese business interest can operate outside of CCP control and/or permission that I know of anyway.

Trade and business relationships that are only advantageous in truly one single direction are not free market relationships.

IMHO we should treat no relationships with business interests in other countries where the freedom to operate within the economy are not on the same footing with American business interests.

I think we'd (U.S. government) rather they'd buy our debt, which is based on fiat and which the government devalues with increasing impunity, than our prime land, which generally not only holds its own against inflation, but actually appreciates in real terms. To put it in gambling terms -- we don't want no stinkin' card counters -- they know how to beat the house!

Farmland in Texas, provided a special agricultural valuation is obtained for it, has relatively minimal holding costs as opposed to say developed residential or commercial properties.

I suppose if they actually owned enough producing farmland they could shut it off in time of war in an attempt to starve us, but that just doesn't seem like a realistic scenario.

Then, of course, there's the emotional angle -- my own elderly mother has told me never to sell the family rural ranchland to the Chinese! A son has an obligation to respect his mother's wishes, but ....

Dollar first. America 2nd.

I think the concern is merely that another country would own our food supply. Could we forcefully take it back in a wartime scenario? Sure. But it just poses a tangled mess. And even if everything else is kosher…better for us to be buying food from ourselves than from someone else.

Only US citizens should be allowed to own land in the United States. The fact that we allow foreign governments and institutions to own property here is moronic.


And I used to do a lot of business with Syngenta before they sold to the commies, now I only use their products when there is no other reasonable alternative.

Let's say I wanted to impact a foreign governments ability to farm a certain crop or livestock.

I develop a fungus, or insect, that is relatively benign into one that attacks or reduces the yield of said crop or livestock.

Then I buy some farmland and let that product grow and spread.

Mushroom spores can travel exceptionally far distance, insects and their spawn can be easily spread as well.

In the cannabis industry it was speculated that some mites (iirc) were developed to affect cannabis plants specifically... but they're just stoners.



Edit: don't forget, ticks with Lyme disease came from us govt.

Fine. No problem. Let American owned companies or Universities do the research. Not Chinese owned companies. Period.

Then we need an American owned great company that helps farmers.

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Then we need an American owned great company that helps farmers.

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Corteva, from the merger of Dow and DuPont.

Jesus Christ the OP is obtuse.

Food a strategic resource like water and energy.

If you let an ideological and global adversary control your access to those things you basically let them Qin any conflict they have with you.

Have you NEVER read a history book?

Like EVER?

Half the wars that were won were won not because one aide killed more guys than the other side.

They were won because one side ran out of supplies, ways to feed and keep their people alive.

Colorado early 1980s.... Why should we care if a few Californians (and New Yorkers) buy up all of the homes along the front range...

Colorado early 2020s .... Another ****hole liberal hell.

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Then we need an American owned great company that helps farmers.

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Then cut back onerous regulations that make it impossible for US owned companies to do business in the US. The reason the Chinese companies have the capital to do it is precisely because they are communist and their government pads their books with government money.

And stop allowing hostile foreign nations to buy US research companies.

ChiComs bought 4 figures of land around Del Rio. Not much farming there, but the U-2 still flys out of Laughlin. Coincidence?

Theft of proprietary seed lines and genetic research
Introduction of pests / disease
Conversion to Solar energy production

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Let's say I wanted to impact a foreign governments ability to farm a certain crop or livestock.

I develop a fungus, or insect, that is relatively benign into one that attacks or reduces the yield of said crop or livestock.

Then I buy some farmland and let that product grow and spread.

Mushroom spores can travel exceptionally far distance, insects and their spawn can be easily spread as well.

In the cannabis industry it was speculated that some mites (iirc) were developed to affect cannabis plants specifically... but they're just stoners.



Edit: don't forget, ticks with Lyme disease came from us govt.

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This.

We're talking about the same country that unleashed Covid on the world. We're really ok with them conducting agriculture experimentation on US soil? FFS I remember when Florida and Hawaii still had agricultural checkpoints and were terrified of their citrus trees getting contaminated.

Jeepers.

Another horrible take.

Sad to say, but the dumbing down of America is almost complete. When we no longer care what the ChiComs do on our own soil, the level of apathy and indifference approaches terminal velocity.

Because they're using our freedoms against us. We won't discriminate against foreign purchasers with nefarious motivations (especially when it makes certain politicians wealthy) while they take millions of Muslims or other dissidents and put them in camps, do organ harvesting, and "re-eduacate" their wives.

How is this even a question?

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Jeepers.

Another horrible take.

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Insightful addition to the conversation. Would read again.

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Since I was a kid in the 80s I've heard about the Chinese owning more and more land as time went by.

If people are only getting upset recently because of this then they either weren't paying attention or didn't care
because in some way it was good for them or their team. Either way, this is really only newsworthy to the 70s and 80s.

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Some people aren't that old and are curious why the ball was dropped in the first place.

Thank you all for the education. I never said I supported it, and am against it since China doesn't reciprocate, but I don't sit and pontificate about these things on a daily basis.

One problem about the right on this site is attacking people for questions and calling them idiots. I never said I was for it, or defended, just asking the reasons why.

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bobbranco said:

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Jeepers.

Another horrible take.

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Insightful addition to the conversation. Would read again.

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Here you go.

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bobbranco said:

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Jeepers.

Another horrible take.

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Insightful addition to the conversation. Would read again.

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Here you go.

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Sorry your fishing for stars came back with an empty hook.

Not fishing for anything. Made a point.