Taiwan elects Anti-China President

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will25u
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Major supporter of independence of Taiwan from China.

ttu_85
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Yep and this is yet another pretext for China to do something crazy. The other is terrible leadership in Washington.

The South China sea area is a bomb waiting to go off and we have a vegetable in the White House
will25u
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Demosthenes81
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Biden is a dangerous fool. The only correct response is "The future of Taiwan is to be determined by the people of Taiwan"
Isosceles_Kramer
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biden doesn't believe in people deciding though, so that's the problem. Oh and the fact he is literally paid and bought by China, but I digress.
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Jeeper79
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Demosthenes81 said:

Biden is a dangerous fool. The only correct response is "The future of Taiwan is to be determined by the people of Taiwan"

The "one China" policy has been the official position of the US government for over 4 decades.
maverick2076
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I wish we would elect an anti-China President.
AggieMD95
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LGB
redline248
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Jeeper79 said:

Demosthenes81 said:

Biden is a dangerous fool. The only correct response is "The future of Taiwan is to be determined by the people of Taiwan"

The "one China" policy has been the official position of the US government for over 4 decades.
Why is this the case? I am not versed in this issue. I could Google, but I'm curious of others response.
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Pretty sure all three options ran on an anti-China policy.
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redline248 said:

Jeeper79 said:

Demosthenes81 said:

Biden is a dangerous fool. The only correct response is "The future of Taiwan is to be determined by the people of Taiwan"

The "one China" policy has been the official position of the US government for over 4 decades.
Why is this the case? I am not versed in this issue. I could Google, but I'm curious of others response.

Probably precedence and not wanting to disrupt the status quo more than anything. Strategic ambiguity has become more prevalent throughout the Trump years. Letting the prc into the wto is one of the largest strategic blunders of the past 30+ years.
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And during the election, I saw a young lady who was voting, wait for it, with an ID..

And this is from a country that really takes their Democracy seriously for they know what the alternative is.
Burdizzo
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When you think about it, aren't all Taiwan presidents "anti-China"?
Jeeper79
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redline248 said:

Jeeper79 said:

Demosthenes81 said:

Biden is a dangerous fool. The only correct response is "The future of Taiwan is to be determined by the people of Taiwan"

The "one China" policy has been the official position of the US government for over 4 decades.
Why is this the case? I am not versed in this issue. I could Google, but I'm curious of others response.
Recognizing Taiwan's independence would be an automatic cancellation of diplomatic relations with China. Taiwan isn't even ready to assert its own independence so why should we stick our necks out for it? Now if Taiwan DID assert their independence, we'd have a big decision on our hands.
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Burdizzo said:

When you think about it, aren't all Taiwan presidents "anti-China"?
There was on candidate that wanted increased dialogue with China, hoping for a "peaceful" resolution.

The problem is that the only "peaceful" resolution that they will accept is for is a total surrender of Taiwan to China.
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will25u said:



What a wuss cake! 10% from China to The Big Guy
MouthBQ98
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There's one idiotic communist China.

Then there is Taiwan, which was formerly Formosa, and was independent or part of Japan for at least a century before China even claimed it.

Screw China.
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My parents are originally from Taiwan, and I am glad Taiwan elected an anti-China President.
911sAg
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So Taiwan is still considered China im confused by that situation?
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Demosthenes81 said:

Biden is a dangerous fool. The only correct response is "The future of Taiwan is to be determined by the people of Taiwan"

Actually the FAR more dangerous move is to say something like that. If you are ready to provoke a war with China over Taiwan that's how you get there.

The biggest mistake people make when looking at Chinese policy is to look at it through American eyes. China is simply different and always will be. For instance the most important thing to remember when thinking about any type of negotiation or conflict with China (or Japan) is Face. You better not put them in a position to lose Face unless you are ready to go all the way. We got there with Japan, it only took an incredibly nasty war and a couple of nuclear bombs.

So how does this work? China knows that Taiwan is Independent and Taiwan is effectively Independent in every way that matters. Still saying they are Independent would be a massive loss of Face to China. Remember that to them Taiwan is still the last remnants of the old government that sits in land that has historically been part of China. It technically is a rebel province to them. To say that Taiwan is Independent would be to admit they will never get it back and that would be a massive loss of Face, especially because China is far more powerful than Taiwan. In their culture if you lose Face you are disgraced and removed from power. You are unfit. So the CCP cannot allow that to ever be the case publicly.

Remember that the ROC (which is now just Taiwan) WAS China up until Nixon. They held the Permanent Security Council Seat until 1971 even though the PR was clearly "China". We basically didn't have a real relationship with China during that time and we were basically at war with them in Korea and to an extent in Vietnam by being a massive pain in the ass for us. That opened everything else up. Any movement back on that means it shuts back down otherwise China loses Face. On a massive and unacceptable scale for them.

That's why we have this weird set of word games that make no sense. Taiwan is independent but it isn't. It allows the CCP to bluster and keep the perception (even if it isn't realistic) that they will take Taiwan back and they haven't lost Face. If the US supported Independence then China would have no choice but to react in an extremely aggressive manner and cut off relations with us (or invade Taiwan). Otherwise they would lose Face.

So we play these games and try to run out the clock on the CCP imploding at some point.
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We want the status quo…we don't want a war.
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Jeeper79 said:

redline248 said:

Jeeper79 said:

Demosthenes81 said:

Biden is a dangerous fool. The only correct response is "The future of Taiwan is to be determined by the people of Taiwan"

The "one China" policy has been the official position of the US government for over 4 decades.
Why is this the case? I am not versed in this issue. I could Google, but I'm curious of others response.
Recognizing Taiwan's independence would be an automatic cancellation of diplomatic relations with China. Taiwan isn't even ready to assert its own independence so why should we stick our necks out for it? Now if Taiwan DID assert their independence, we'd have a big decision on our hands.
Good Lord…….they have independent elections, an independent government, independent military, independent economy, and they view themselves as the true government of China. The only area they aren't independent is in the heads of hard core Chi-Coms.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/taiwan/taiwan-already-independent
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nortex97
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Agreed.

The only good thing about FJB's presidency right now that I can see is that even if/when he wanders off the reservation too far verbally, even the CCP won't take him too seriously because everyone, including his commie puppet masters, knows he's just a demented old idiot.
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I always figured that China would retake Taiwan like they did Hong Kong. More or less bureaucratically. I guess the situations, history, and politics are pretty different.

I still don't expect a Chinese military invasion of Taiwan. Who knows though? I'm generally wrong about anything that pertains to geopolitics and college football.
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can you imagine being taiwan and hitching your wagon and future protection to america%92s bipolar disorder and a president like biden. they are screwed.
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will25u said:




I've read that he supports Taiwan being independent, but won't say it publicly. Something about political ambiguity. If they attack Taiwan, will he come to their aid? Yes.

The real question is, will we still come to their aid 10 or so years from now after we have our own semi conductor plants up and running.
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will25u said:




Yes, the US DOES support Taiwan Independence. Our bought and paid for politicians don't. HUGE difference. Our politician no longer represent us and it's time to stop "electing" the ones that don't.
BMX Bandit
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New Taiwan President has same position as one he's replacing (they are in same party and he was VP)

This really isn't a big story.
jograki
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All the parties are anti-PRC, the main difference is the opposing party believes in the One China policy as in Taiwan being the ROC. The party that won is the more liberal party, similar to Democrats in the US. Their legislature will remain more KMT though (conservative party), so it should be an interesting balance.
jograki
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BMX Bandit said:

New Taiwan President has same position as one he's replacing (they are in same party and he was VP)

This really isn't a big story.
Exactly. This isn't the gotcha people want, especially considering the board tends to lean conservative, and this party is the complete opposite.
LOYAL AG
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dds08 said:

will25u said:




I've read that he supports Taiwan being independent, but won't say it publicly. Something about political ambiguity. If they attack Taiwan, will he come to their aid? Yes.

The real question is, will we still come to their aid 10 or so years from now after we have our own semi conductor plants up and running.


I'm willing to believe the first as an independent Taiwan is good for the US and maintaining the status quo is ultimately good for us at least until your second point becomes relevant.

The second question is an interesting one. We're clearly retreating from the world stage and have less and less desire to maintain global security as a means to economic stability which is all this has ever been for us. If Taiwan is no longer critical to the global economy what interest do we have is protecting her from China and why would we do it? This is honestly my biggest concern over us pulling back from maintaining global security. We have been generally successful is keeping a lid on centuries old rivalries but if we exit the security role those rivalries will boil over. Initially we won't care but eventually someone is going to lob a nuke and that's obviously a bad outcome. Still we can't protect the world from itself forever.
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Demosthenes81 said:

Biden is a dangerous fool. The only correct response is "The future of Taiwan is to be determined by the people of Taiwan"



People on here yell about Haley dragging us into a war…but supporting formal Taiwanese independence sure as **** will drag us into an existential conflict.
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Don't forget, Taiwan was an original member of the UN and held a seat until 1971. Now, only 13 countries have official embassies there, however the list of countries with "missions and trade companies" there is lengthy. They all operate outside of ChiCom rules. Sound pretty independent to me, without saying so.

Sure, It's Wiki, but still some good information:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_missions_in_Taiwan#:~:text=The%20diplomatic%20missions%20in%20Taiwan,have%20an%20embassies%20in%20Taipei.
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LOYAL AG
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K2-HMFIC said:

Demosthenes81 said:

Biden is a dangerous fool. The only correct response is "The future of Taiwan is to be determined by the people of Taiwan"



People on here yell about Haley dragging us into a war…but supporting formal Taiwanese independence sure as **** will drag us into an existential conflict.



So much this. One of the frustrating characteristics of F16 is being simultaneously isolationist and so caught up in anti-Biden sentiment that we want the opposite of whatever he says. We're best off with the status quo at least until Taiwan is no longer the critical component of the global computer industry. A change from the status quo only inflames things with the CCP with little to no benefit to the U.S. Further the only way a shooting war with China is unavoidable is if they try to take Taiwan by force. As long as all they do is saber rattle we have nothing to worry about and there's not much else out there right now that's going to result in armed conflict.
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