How much money the military industrial complex has made during this 4 years of a shadow government. My guess it is a hell of a lot!!!!!

Replace all items left behind in Afghanistan.

Support of Ukraine by supplying Ukraine very old, outdated items that had been sitting in bunkers because of the cost associated with disposing of them. Sending various missile systems, tanks and Bradley's that were some of the oldest in our inventory. Ukraine getting F-16's from Belgium. Supplying all that we can to support the boots on the ground Ukranian soldier.

Support of Ukraine by moving and stationing parts of our Military to Poland to improve their.defensive posture.

Israel…..see Ukraine above + all of the things it takes to wage war on behalf of Israel against Hamas

Houties….missiles, anti missiles. US Navy countering threats in the Red Sea and other area's

Countering China in Taiwan and supplying Taiwan with military items.

Then consider all of NATO and other countries that are in support of the events listed above.

No complaints by the left? No mention of abuse of spending? No stories of we can feed 500 million people? The left truly doesn't care and we shouldn't care what they complain about when the Republican have to wage war.

We don't have a free and functioning press so no it's not strange.

The military industrial complex is a wing of the political establishment which means they are not a part of the Republican Party that is emerging in the wake of Trump. The news media, also a part of the political establishment, is not going to call out their own team.

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Imagine complaining that we have a functioning military industrial complex when the world is progressively more on fire.

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I wonder why that is.....

If military spending takes so much of our federal budget and the deficit is such a concern, why don't the people who are concerned about the budget deficit ever call out defense spending?

You don't get to pick when your enemies or bad actors decide to do things that require a response,

Right now, the Democrat party IS the party of big corporate America and they're getting plenty of money to spread around to their own pet causes, and they need all the government spending they can get to any industry to try to hide the results of the terrible economic policies they have. They need the economic numbers to look better than they would be until the next election, so they'll accept spending that isn't to their most favored corporate backers. But makd no mistake, the defense industry doesn't care which party directs spending their way. They'll back either of both sides, to keep their stockholders happy. it's not Iike they start the wars or fights. That seems to be what Democrat policies do.

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World has been on fire for thousands of years. We are arguably in one of the more peaceful times of history.

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Yup. If you're not willing to at least look at social security and defense spending, you're not serious about cutting spending. The pentagon has never passed an audit.

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Well at this point we could eliminate defense spending and still have a substantial deficit. Thats right, read it again. $0 on defense and there's still a deficit. 70% of spending is on entitlements, 15% on defense. So since we obviously won't eliminate defense where do you think we should look? How about we cut both of these categories in half? I'm good with that trade.

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Yup. If you're not willing to at least look at social security and defense spending, you're not serious about cutting spending. The pentagon has never passed an audit.

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Two flaws here:

1. Defense spending is Constitutionally mandated while Social Security is not.
2. Social Security is one entitlement program, it's not accurate to look at it and not all the others. Truth is though that Social Security bothers me a lot less than all welfare programs targeted towards working age people. I'm fine with disability but the rest need to go.

Man, I've been selling death for decades....

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It was even more peaceful 4 years ago.

I don't think the first Amendment applies to Propaganda outfits.

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I just came here to see how long it took our resident industrial military complex employee to object. Not long!

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It is dangerously naiive and Americentric to lay all problems at the hands of America, whether or not some criticisms are merited. Taking that overall worldview means to fail to recognize the agency and decision-making capabilities of other countries and puts the US in a self-inflicted disadvantaged position.

The world is not a nice place. Other countries and peoples have their interests, and they don't line up with ours. In fact, many of them would absolutely love it if America felt guilty and weak and receded on the world stage. It would make pursuing their interests easier, especially the ones that hurt us.

That isn't to say our nose is clean, but rather to say not to throw away your guns in the ignorant belief that others only mean you harm because you have your guns.

The military industrial complex is an enemy of the people and should be treated as such.

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Two flaws here:

1. Defense spending is Constitutionally mandated while Social Security is not.
2. Social Security is one entitlement program, it's not accurate to look at it and not all the others. Truth is though that Social Security bothers me a lot less than all welfare programs targeted towards working age people. I'm fine with disability but the rest need to go.

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1. Ok, just because its constitutionally mandated doesn't mean there's no fat to trim there. Many republicans say upfront they will not even consider cutting defense spending.
2. I agree we should make cuts to many entitlement programs. Social security and Medicare are the largest. Both do not bother me in principal - we should have some form of support for the elderly, but a. the social security program will be insolvent in 10-15 years if nothing changes. If you are under 50 you will very likely not benefit from the program you paid into. Which brings me to b. these programs are funded by payroll taxes which disproportionally affects middle and lower working class people.

Anyone seen Code Pink??
Oh that's right, a Democrat is President now, so wats are good.

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Because it is one of the few legitimate functions of our Federal government? Unfortunately, endlessly funding other countries and indoctrinating soldiers with wokeness are not legitimate functions of our government.

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Agree...I mean its never been on fire in the past and no indications that it could be on fire in the future...

The "industrial military complex" is not responsible for the war in Ukraine. They didn't tell Putin to invade Ukraine. Putin deserves blame for the invasion, and Biden deserves blame for basically encouraging it. Prior to the invasion, people I know in the industry were insisting that we patrol Ukraine with our fighters to KEEP the Russians from invading in the first place. That Putin would have likely declared his build up as an "exercise", and withdrew his forces without firing a shot.

Biden weakness is what encouraged these wars. Not the "industrial military complex".

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Why the eye rolls?

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I explained it in my subsequent post.

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Why the eye rolls?

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Sorry. Missed it. And you missed my point. I laid out the different avenues that have been created under Biden that greatly enriches the MIC. I work the DOD in DC. There is is a lot of spending. This would be when the left would begin writing hit pieces about MIC and excessive profits……..but the are exceptionally quiet instead.


All true, so I am not sure why you felt compelled to an eye roll.

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The military industrial complex is an enemy of the people and should be treated as such.

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Lockheed and Boeing are encouraging Houthis to strike Middle Eastern shipping?

The military-industrial complex is us. Since we have gotten rid of pensions and moved to an investing model for retirement, 401K's and the like, we've got skin in those companies. Sure, there are highly paid executives in those corporations, but it ain't like it's just Daddy Warbucks profiting from wars.

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We do

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Sorry. Missed it. And you missed my point. I laid out the different avenues that have been created under Biden that greatly enriches the MIC. I work the DOD in DC. There is is a lot of spending. This would be when the left would begin writing hit pieces about MIC and excessive profits……..but the are exceptionally quiet instead.


All true, so I am not sure why you felt compelled to an eye roll.

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Gotcha... anytime I hear anybody talk of the MIC, I eye roll. As if there is some secret cabal of defense CEOs that lobby for more war and secretly start them somehow. That they giddily sell weapons on both sides to cash in while children fight and die. All of that nonesense.

I didn't get to your last paragraph before I hit respond. I should have read the whole thing. If you had put the "military industrial complex" in quotes like that, I would have figured it out prior to that.

We first must have a functioning military, which presently is having problems recruiting and retention.

They don't care if the bombs come with a dem branded rainbow stamp.