Another one to watch....

There is absolutely no doubt that @MIT is guilty of this crime, at great loss to society at large, deprived thereby of the stellar engineers it could otherwise produce, as well as contrary to the rights of those discriminated against individually. Remember the Pareto principle:…

— Dr Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) January 10, 2024

Arent males now underrepresented in graduating with a college degree these days?

If they believed their bull**** about equality, shouldnt they be rejecting females applicants for lower-qualified males? You know, to balance it out?

We should have even MORE women who can have babies AND keep bringing home the bacon so we guys can play golf and hang out with drinking buddies.

But the women also need to pay for a nanny so we don't have to watch the kids.

Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

Anyone else read that like JP would say it???

How about we just start leaving race, gender, ethnicity, sexual preference, and age out of admissions, hiring, and contracting decisions altogether? Otherwise, folks are going to have to start "identifying" as whatever gives them the advantage. I hope M.I.T. loses badly here.

infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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I know a girl with stellar grades, academics, and extra curriculars, who visited Stanford, and came away with the distinct impression --- if you haven't sufferred in life, don't bother applying.
She got into a different Ivy League school for CompSci

infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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Stanford, another overrated indoctrination center, just like the Ivy leagues.

BadMoonRisin said:

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Arent males now underrepresented in graduating with a college degree these days?

If they believed their bull**** about equality, shouldnt they be rejecting females applicants for lower-qualified males? You know, to balance it out?

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Lol not at MIT, females are not over represented.

I have a high school son interested in applying to MIT. I hope the school loses this lawsuit in spectacular fashion.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Arent males now underrepresented in graduating with a college degree these days?

If they believed their bull**** about equality, shouldnt they be rejecting females applicants for lower-qualified males? You know, to balance it out?

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Lol not at MIT, females are not over represented.

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You are missing the point here. Females are 48% of the student body, so you can make a superficial point that they are slightly underrepresented by that standard. However, they probably only reach that level of representation by tilting the scales in favor of females.

If they did gender and race blind admissions, I'll bet the student body would be overwhelmingly Asian and white males and something like 20% females. That's just who is naturally the best fit (most interested & most qualified) for a hard core engineering school like MIT or Cal Tech.

Buck Turgidson said:

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bmks270 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Arent males now underrepresented in graduating with a college degree these days?

If they believed their bull**** about equality, shouldnt they be rejecting females applicants for lower-qualified males? You know, to balance it out?

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Lol not at MIT, females are not over represented.

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You are missing the point here. Females are 48% of the student body, so you can make a superficial point that they are slightly underrepresented by that standard. However, they probably only reach that level of representation by tilting the scales in favor of females.

If they did gender and race blind admissions, I'll bet the student body would be overwhelmingly Asian and white males and something like 20% females. That's just who is naturally the best fit (most interested & most qualified) for a hard core engineering school like MIT or Cal Tech.

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Ding Ding Ding.

That's pretty close to how it is at all the engineering companies I've worked at.

Although it was probably 99% white guys when I first started.

Currently you have about a 60/40 split in females to males in colleges nationwide. The thing is though when you break it down by major is when it gets really interesting though. Women overwhelm the Liberal Arts and Education Majors. Among all of the STEM majors the only one that is even is Biology. The deeper into Engineering (EE/ME/etc) it gets more and more male. Among women that go into Engineering or Comp Sci they tend towards GUI Development or Project Management or Product Management.

The Engineering field with the most women? Biomedical Engineering. Why? Women tend to want to be nurturing in medical applications. Nurses, NP's PA's, Physical Therapy, etc have a lot of women. The more time intensive and being a physician the more men who are interested compared to women. Why? They don't want to spend the extra years to become a specialist and they want to have jobs that allow them to have kids and spend time with a family. They also tend to be more collaborative and less competitive compared to men.

In the end nature always wins. Men like harder majors than women in general. Men like less glamorous jobs that you spend your time deep in code, testing, and development. Take out the Asian female Engineers and it's a really small number.

infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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My friend in consulting who is responsible for hiring lots of Business Analysis / Comp Sci / Programmers said the Stanford and Cal Berkley resumes get thrown in the trash, might have done him a favor...

I hired a female MIT engineering grad to be my receptionist. Never used her degree one day for anything relating to what she (or likely her parents) paid a small fortune for. Smart kid. Book smarts, but zero common sense and needed her hand held to do the smallest tasks that weren't spelled out for her. In the end, she ended up being underqualified for the job I paid her for.

aggiez03 said:

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infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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My friend in consulting who is responsible for hiring lots of Business Analysis / Comp Sci / Programmers said the Stanford and Cal Berkley resumes get thrown in the trash, might have done him a favor...

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When I had my practice in SF, all Berkeley grad resumes were instantly thrown out. I hired one Stanford doctor, and she was the worst I had, killed the culture and was a cancer to the business. Correlation or coincidence…?

William K. Klingaman said:

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We should have even MORE women who can have babies AND keep bringing home the bacon so we guys can play golf and hang out with drinking buddies.

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Women don't work as many hours as men.

Heslthcare professionals have learned this. When you graduate so many women and stop graduating men, you have to graduate 3 women for every 2 men to get the same productivity and the same amount of work.

The push for women to be there in equal numbers to men I the Healthcare professions is part of why we have a healthcare provider shortage in this country. They work fewer hours, take time off to have children and sometimes leave their jobs completely. This was an unintended consequence.

BadMoonRisin said:

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Arent males now underrepresented in graduating with a college degree these days?

If they believed their bull**** about equality, shouldnt they be rejecting females applicants for lower-qualified males? You know, to balance it out?

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Yes. Males are getting left behind at an increasing pace. But the only conversation is how we elevate more girls. It's a serious problem.

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William K. Klingaman said:

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We should have even MORE women who can have babies AND keep bringing home the bacon so we guys can play golf and hang out with drinking buddies.

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Women don't work as many hours as men.

Heslthcare professionals have learned this. When you graduate so many women and stop graduating men, you have to graduate 3 women for every 2 men to get the same productivity and the same amount of work.

The push for women to be there in equal numbers to men I the Healthcare professions is part of why we have a healthcare provider shortage in this country. They work fewer hours, take time off to have children and sometimes leave their jobs completely. This was an unintended consequence.

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Speaking as an employer in this scenario, this is 100% the truth. I had to adapt by going from 5 days a week to 4 days for full time positions, while keeping hours per day the same. No younger women would do 5 anymore. I found the best tactic was hiring more part timers, so when one gets pregnant, it's not as big a hit. Very few men to pick from, so I had to play the game by the new rules, or never fill the position. God I don't miss having to deal with hiring anymore. Such a nightmare…

At my graduation, they seated all the Engineering graduates together on the left side of the floor. And then they seated all the Education majors on the right side of the floor. Looking at the class photos, you would have sworn the separated the women from the men for the graduation ceremony. My mom had that class photo, but I haven't seen it for decades and don't know where it is anymore.

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infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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I know a girl with stellar grades, academics, and extra curriculars, who visited Stanford, and came away with the distinct impression --- if you haven't sufferred in life, don't bother applying.
She got into a different Ivy League school for CompSci

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Yes, that is what I heard too.

However!

My first cousin, with whom I grew up with (down the street), went to school at UT Arlington for Masters degree. He has lived in the Bay Area for 20+ years. His daughter got into Stanford and is almost completing her Bachelors. She is on a pre-med track and seems to be quite smart.

My cousin is brown like I am, financially well off like I am. He has not suffered in life either (both upper middle class). Only difference is his kid is a girl and mine is a boy. One can quibble that his kid is x% smarter than mine, may or may not be so. But historically my cousin has always been the lucky one in the family. He always won luck based games like Snakes & Ladders, and Monopoly. I wonder if his famed luck worked in his favor here too?

Also, a year before my son, one white boy in a neighboring town got into Stanford. He was teaching Math to my daughter's friend at a training center, that is how I found out. He also had a video on Youtube about how he found out he got in. He was deferred at first, and then got in. I looked at his profile, he doesn't seem to be a genius, not has he suffered. Around middle class in a middling school. However, from his social media, I saw he was diagnosed with cancer the week he was going to leave to Stanford, but seems to be fine now.

APHIS AG said:

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infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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Stanford, another overrated indoctrination center, just like the Ivy leagues.

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It's okay... it's not a big deal your kid didn't get in.
Blinn is always there.

Steve Jobs created Apple without any college education.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Arent males now underrepresented in graduating with a college degree these days?

If they believed their bull**** about equality, shouldnt they be rejecting females applicants for lower-qualified males? You know, to balance it out?

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Lol not at MIT, females are not over represented.

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Females cannot handle MIT. It's for ultra ultra nerds. I told my son not to apply, I thought it wasn't a good fit. He is smart but he likes to do other things like tennis and basketball etc. Not study all the frikkin time and still end up with a B.

I know a person my age who went to MIT. He said the same thing... all that study just for a effin B. He is a ophthalmologist now and told his daughters not to apply there.

Furlock Bones said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Arent males now underrepresented in graduating with a college degree these days?

If they believed their bull**** about equality, shouldnt they be rejecting females applicants for lower-qualified males? You know, to balance it out?

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Yes. Males are getting left behind at an increasing pace. But the only conversation is how we elevate more girls. It's a serious problem.

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You are right, But the reason is because men in powerful places feel the need to virtue signal and simp for brownie points. No points if you say "men need help".

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At my graduation, they seated all the Engineering graduates together on the left side of the floor. And then they seated all the Education majors on the right side of the floor. Looking at the class photos, you would have sworn the separated the women from the men for the graduation ceremony. My mom had that class photo, but I haven't seen it for decades and don't know where it is anymore.

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What year? I am sure it was before woke and PC-ness.
Most women do not like engineering. They find it too aloof and distant. They just do it because it is easy to get in and daddy wants them to. A few exceptions do exist. My daughter is one of the few in her HS who loves programming. Reason is me, I am in the field and I guided her when she was having trouble in her projects and did not let things get to the point where she hated it. Her female friends did not have anyone like that and ended up hating and dropping out. Now my daughter just has 2 other girls in her Java programming class. All others dropped. I told her to keep at it, she has the love for it, and the field is clear for her to get a good college as most girls dropped.

My son is in Computer Science at university and only few of the smart girls in his class took engineering. Most took Math or Science or Medicine.

MIT is for graduate school. Don't go to college there.

aggiez03 said:

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infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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My friend in consulting who is responsible for hiring lots of Business Analysis / Comp Sci / Programmers said the Stanford and Cal Berkley resumes get thrown in the trash, might have done him a favor...

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I call bs on this.

infinity ag said:

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aggiez03 said:

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infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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My friend in consulting who is responsible for hiring lots of Business Analysis / Comp Sci / Programmers said the Stanford and Cal Berkley resumes get thrown in the trash, might have done him a favor...

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I call bs on this.

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Not that I care if you believe me or not, but 100% the conversation did happen.

But why would you think that companies would want to hire 'super-woke' entitled employees ?

This company has a large base in Texas, hires lots of Aggies and other colleges in Texas, why would they need those problem children?

Additionally a poster on this thread, said he did the same thing with Berkley apps. Calling him a liar too?

infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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I know a girl with stellar grades, academics, and extra curriculars, who visited Stanford, and came away with the distinct impression --- if you haven't sufferred in life, don't bother applying.
She got into a different Ivy League school for CompSci

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Yes, that is what I heard too.

However!

My first cousin, with whom I grew up with (down the street), went to school at UT Arlington for Masters degree. He has lived in the Bay Area for 20+ years. His daughter got into Stanford and is almost completing her Bachelors. She is on a pre-med track and seems to be quite smart.

My cousin is brown like I am, financially well off like I am. He has not suffered in life either (both upper middle class). Only difference is his kid is a girl and mine is a boy. One can quibble that his kid is x% smarter than mine, may or may not be so. But historically my cousin has always been the lucky one in the family. He always won luck based games like Snakes & Ladders, and Monopoly. I wonder if his famed luck worked in his favor here too?

Also, a year before my son, one white boy in a neighboring town got into Stanford. He was teaching Math to my daughter's friend at a training center, that is how I found out. He also had a video on Youtube about how he found out he got in. He was deferred at first, and then got in. I looked at his profile, he doesn't seem to be a genius, not has he suffered. Around middle class in a middling school. However, from his social media, I saw he was diagnosed with cancer the week he was going to leave to Stanford, but seems to be fine now.

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Do I know you? Did you live in Chicago at some point?

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infinity ag said:

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aggiez03 said:

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infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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My friend in consulting who is responsible for hiring lots of Business Analysis / Comp Sci / Programmers said the Stanford and Cal Berkley resumes get thrown in the trash, might have done him a favor...

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I call bs on this.

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Not that I care if you believe me or not, but 100% the conversation did happen.

But why would you think that companies would want to hire 'super-woke' entitled employees ?

This company has a large base in Texas, hires lots of Aggies and other colleges in Texas, why would they need those problem children?

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Ok maybe it did happen. But to make a blanket statement that Stanford and UCBerk grads are trash is ridiculous. My dad was a Stanford grad and I know how smart he was. I was not able to get in and ended up at A&M. There are so many smart Stanford/Berk guys doing great things in the Bay and elsewhere.

Are there some bad apples there? Sure. Some lose their way after they get in, it happens. But if your friend looks at someone's school, sees Stanford/Berk and throws them in the trash, he needs to be fired.

infinity ag said:

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aggiez03 said:

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infinity ag said:

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aggiez03 said:

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infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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My friend in consulting who is responsible for hiring lots of Business Analysis / Comp Sci / Programmers said the Stanford and Cal Berkley resumes get thrown in the trash, might have done him a favor...

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I call bs on this.

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Not that I care if you believe me or not, but 100% the conversation did happen.

But why would you think that companies would want to hire 'super-woke' entitled employees ?

This company has a large base in Texas, hires lots of Aggies and other colleges in Texas, why would they need those problem children?

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Ok maybe it did happen. But to make a blanket statement that Stanford and UCBerk grads are trash is ridiculous. My dad was a Stanford grad and I know how smart he was. I was not able to get in and ended up at A&M. There are so many smart Stanford/Berk guys doing great things in the Bay and elsewhere.

Are there some bad apples there? Sure. Some lose their way after they get in, it happens. But if your friend looks at someone's school, sees Stanford/Berk and throws them in the trash, he needs to be fired.

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Someone is a little touchy, perhaps the lady doth protest too much???


1) Nowhere did I say those grads are trash.

2) Your dad's Stanford degree <> a Stanford Degree today.

3) There are plenty of smart people at most major universities, they don't have the market cornered.
A&M has inventors, CEOs, CFOs, you name it, just like those schools do.

4) He is high enough and been doing it long enough, to know what he wants and hire who he wants. I doubt he needs your input on who he should hire, you are not the one that has to deal with them.

5) Go hire all the Stanford and Berkley guys you want. I bet most people on here would stick with Aggies.

My son was living in Oregon a few years ago getting a masters from OSU. He came back to the A&M career fair to get an engineering internship and the company that hired him was in Portland. That company didn't even bother to attend the OSU career fair, but came all the way down to A&M to get their man.

EE class of 88. There were just a handful of girls in the entire program. All homely except the one who looked and dressed like Madonna every day. To this day I still regret being too much of a puss to ask her out. Actually, I never had a class with her or even spoke one word to her in passing. I creeped on her a few years ago through the Aggie network and saw she's a realtor who never had a job actually using her engineering degree. She has kept herself looking attractive for her age though.

aggiez03 said:

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infinity ag said:

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infinity ag said:

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aggiez03 said:

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infinity ag said:

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Noooooooooooooo

Don't do that. I have a daughter in High School.

My son with stellar grades could not get into Stanford because of DEI and other crap. Now the shoe is on the other foot and I have a daughter (with not so stellar grades) so I hope they don't go the other way and make it harder for girls.

After my daughter gets in, do whatever the hell you want.

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My friend in consulting who is responsible for hiring lots of Business Analysis / Comp Sci / Programmers said the Stanford and Cal Berkley resumes get thrown in the trash, might have done him a favor...

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I call bs on this.

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Not that I care if you believe me or not, but 100% the conversation did happen.

But why would you think that companies would want to hire 'super-woke' entitled employees ?

This company has a large base in Texas, hires lots of Aggies and other colleges in Texas, why would they need those problem children?

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Ok maybe it did happen. But to make a blanket statement that Stanford and UCBerk grads are trash is ridiculous. My dad was a Stanford grad and I know how smart he was. I was not able to get in and ended up at A&M. There are so many smart Stanford/Berk guys doing great things in the Bay and elsewhere.

Are there some bad apples there? Sure. Some lose their way after they get in, it happens. But if your friend looks at someone's school, sees Stanford/Berk and throws them in the trash, he needs to be fired.

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Someone is a little touchy, perhaps the lady doth protest too much???


1) Nowhere did I say those grads are trash.

2) Your dad's Stanford degree <> a Stanford Degree today.

3) There are plenty of smart people at most major universities, they don't have the market cornered.
A&M has inventors, CEOs, CFOs, you name it, just like those schools do.

4) He is high enough and been doing it long enough, to know what he wants and hire who he wants. I doubt he needs your input on who he should hire, you are not the one that has to deal with them.

5) Go hire all the Stanford and Berkley guys you want. I bet most people on here would stick with Aggies.

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No one is touchy, so please don't assume things from printed text. We are just having a discussion.

You said this:

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My friend in consulting who is responsible for hiring lots of Business Analysis / Comp Sci / Programmers said the Stanford and Cal Berkley resumes get thrown in the trash, might have done him a favor...

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So I think that if someone just throws Stanford/Berk which are both Top 3 schools into the trash without reading them because of some political ideology or some notion that people from these schools are liberal or spoiled, then your friend is a doofus and a dunderhead.