TAMU contract with Qatar puts US at risk?

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this will put the...."no such thing as bad publicity" notion to the test!


on the brightside....with our ties, Kyle Field should be safe but that little stadium to the west might be in trouble
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There's a bit more to this if you understand the role Qatar plays for the US. If you think of Ukraine as a money laundering operation where U.S. Senators, families or business interests, get U.S. government funds washed through Ukraine and back into the USA, then historically Qatar has been our biggest dry cleaner for decades. The U.S government uses Qatar as the pivot point for the distribution of covert funds to facilitate the Dept. of State, CIA and Intelligence Community operations. For example, we give Qatar money to buy U.S. military weapons, the CIA provides the weapons, then we tell Qatar to send the surface-to-air missiles to Libya (this happened). That's just one example, and there are dozens of documented instances. Qatar is also the home base of the Muslim Brotherhood, the official agency for USA influence with political Islam, the tool/bank of the CIA, and the proxy ambassador for U.S. influence with al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas. We give Qatar money, then tell them what to do with it like send to Iran (link) or send to Ukraine (link).

Qatar is our national "dark money" bank.
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The relationship between A&M and Qatar only benefits Qatar. It should be ended.
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WTF????
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As much as I dislike the Qatar arrangement, this is a bit of a stretch.
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45-70Ag said:

The relationship between A&M and Qatar only benefits Qatar. It should be ended.
I don't know. I spend a lot of time in the Middle East and used to travel to Doha frequently. I think that having an A&M campus there benefits the A&M system as it graduates Aggies that have loyalty to the university and increases awareness of A&M.

I think we sometimes are all guilty of associating the actions of a government with the beliefs of its people. I have done business with many Qataris and while I do find them to be quite hard negotiators, I also find them friendly towards and eager to do business with Americans.

I've always taken the position that if the US government does not want me or my employer doing business in a certain country, sanction or ban it to prevent me from doing business there and I will comply without reservation. Otherwise, I am not going to be critical of a US company (or a university) for doing business in a country where the government makes decisions that I do not agree with.
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Vision 2020 strikes back.
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45-70Ag said:

The relationship between A&M and Qatar only benefits Qatar. It should be ended.
If A&M truly is one-half of what it professes to be, it would be out of Qatar asap. But almost everyone and almost everything is a *****, the only difference is the asking price.
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Courtesy Flush said:

45-70Ag said:

The relationship between A&M and Qatar only benefits Qatar. It should be ended.
I don't know. I spend a lot of time in the Middle East and used to travel to Doha frequently. I think that having an A&M campus there benefits the A&M system as it graduates Aggies that have loyalty to the university and increases awareness of A&M.

I think we sometimes are all guilty of associating the actions of a government with the beliefs of its people. I have done business with many Qataris and while I do find them to be quite hard negotiators, I also find them friendly towards and eager to do business with Americans.

I've always taken the position that if the US government does not want me or my employer doing business in a certain country, sanction or ban it to prevent me from doing business there and I will comply without reservation. Otherwise, I am not going to be critical of a US company (or a university) for doing business in a country where the government makes decisions that I do not agree with.
Doubt if they are true Aggies. Quatar helps Hamas. Why would anyone do business with them?
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Russell Bradleys Toupee said:

There's a bit more to this if you understand the role Qatar plays for the US. If you think of Ukraine as a money laundering operation where U.S. Senators, families or business interests, get U.S. government funds washed through Ukraine and back into the USA, then historically Qatar has been our biggest dry cleaner for decades. The U.S government uses Qatar as the pivot point for the distribution of covert funds to facilitate the Dept. of State, CIA and Intelligence Community operations. For example, we give Qatar money to buy U.S. military weapons, the CIA provides the weapons, then we tell Qatar to send the surface-to-air missiles to Libya (this happened). That's just one example, and there are dozens of documented instances. Qatar is also the home base of the Muslim Brotherhood, the official agency for USA influence with political Islam, the tool/bank of the CIA, and the proxy ambassador for U.S. influence with al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas. We give Qatar money, then tell them what to do with it like send to Iran (link) or send to Ukraine (link).

Qatar is our national "dark money" bank.
I thought Saudi Arabia was...no?
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Question is, how close is our relationship?

Why are our course loads different? Why do they (or they had) offer poli sci as a minor but we don't? Are they teaching American political science?

Are we then enabling our enemies while educating them? Do we have American professors or anybody going there? There's a rabbit hole for sure and I don't know if I want to have to go down it
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TAMUallen said:

Question is, how close is our relationship?

Why are our course loads different? Why do they (or they had) offer poli sci as a minor but we don't? Are they teaching American political science?

Are we then enabling our enemies while educating them? Do we have American professors or anybody going there? There's a rabbit hole for sure and I don't know if I want to have to go down it
I found this in the TAMU-Qatar course descriptions:

NUKE 101 - Making A Fission Device With Used Pinball Machine Parts
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You can't even spell the name of the country right. I'm sure the extent of your Middle East knowledge is what Sean Hannity tells you.

It is a very complex and evolving region of the world and the US government is as complicit as anyone in contributing towards the instability. We pick sides to support with no real consistency or long-term strategy. Just look how our approach has changed in the last 3 years when this disaster of a president came in and hurt the strong relationship Trump had established with the GCC countries. The USA has no relationship in the world that is both transparent and black and white. Our relationship with the Middle East countries is as gray as gray can be so I caution about throwing out blanket statements about what's right and wrong over there.
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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

Courtesy Flush said:

45-70Ag said:

The relationship between A&M and Qatar only benefits Qatar. It should be ended.
I don't know. I spend a lot of time in the Middle East and used to travel to Doha frequently. I think that having an A&M campus there benefits the A&M system as it graduates Aggies that have loyalty to the university and increases awareness of A&M.

I think we sometimes are all guilty of associating the actions of a government with the beliefs of its people. I have done business with many Qataris and while I do find them to be quite hard negotiators, I also find them friendly towards and eager to do business with Americans.

I've always taken the position that if the US government does not want me or my employer doing business in a certain country, sanction or ban it to prevent me from doing business there and I will comply without reservation. Otherwise, I am not going to be critical of a US company (or a university) for doing business in a country where the government makes decisions that I do not agree with.
Doubt if they are true Aggies. Quatar helps Hamas. Why would anyone do business with them?
Where's Quatar? Is that the place next to Wakanda?
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Psycho Bunny said:

BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

Courtesy Flush said:

45-70Ag said:

The relationship between A&M and Qatar only benefits Qatar. It should be ended.
I don't know. I spend a lot of time in the Middle East and used to travel to Doha frequently. I think that having an A&M campus there benefits the A&M system as it graduates Aggies that have loyalty to the university and increases awareness of A&M.

I think we sometimes are all guilty of associating the actions of a government with the beliefs of its people. I have done business with many Qataris and while I do find them to be quite hard negotiators, I also find them friendly towards and eager to do business with Americans.

I've always taken the position that if the US government does not want me or my employer doing business in a certain country, sanction or ban it to prevent me from doing business there and I will comply without reservation. Otherwise, I am not going to be critical of a US company (or a university) for doing business in a country where the government makes decisions that I do not agree with.
Doubt if they are true Aggies. Quatar helps Hamas. Why would anyone do business with them?
Where's Quatar? Is that the place next to Wakanda?


To his defense, that's probably closer to the actual name and pronunciation so let's not flame on qatar more like cutter
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Without going into too much detail about myself, I have worked at TAMUQ for years. Actually over a decade. I will tell you that the students are not loyal Aggies, they are mostly there to get the degree that makes their family happy. In Qatar it is all about "wasta" and how your individual and family image is. Most Qataris are power hungry and most people I know hate living in Qatar.

They have 4 undergraduate degrees and the cheating there (with full knowledge of the university officials) is VERY abundant. Graduates are dragged across the finish line to make their target graduation rates. I have seen students on probation for 6-8 semesters in a row. Admissions is directed to let in a majority amount of Qataris, while ignoring many qualified students. Qataris who literally failed pre-cal 3 times. Yes, there are a minority of good students there. The academic waivers and overrides given to the students is insane, and they will use semantics to get it done. Just phrase things a certain way and magically you can get around student rules and departmental policies. You can literally be deported for ticking off the wrong Qatari at any time. Whether in a mall or on campus.

Everyone who works at TAMUQ makes gobs of cash. Faculty are insufferable with few exceptions. Most are incompetent people who are literally there for the gigantic paycheck, but play the politics game. People who would make $45,000 on main campus pull $125,000 or more. I know one person that makes over $300,000 annually in salary and allowances and they are absolute trash. I cannot divulge too much, but even if you go search their publicly listed salaries, the information is lower than the real checks. They get a salary premium (in most cases 30%), housing allowance (choice of provided housing or cash allowance), car allowance in cash, and flight allowance in cash. Every month.

I know professors that take 3-4 weeks vacation right in the middle of the semester, no one says a word or it leads to a minor slap on the wrist. Many are lazy and do not want to "work" so they will just have class "discussions" and award A's. Most profs there are not from TAMU and have never even been to main campus. The Admissions department are all people who know nothing of real Aggies and are not even from the USA. So every student that gets accepted into the branch campus (who gets the Aggie ring and degree identical to main campus) is chosen by people who have no business selecting those students for admission.

I could write a novel, but in general, Qataris rule the roost in Doha. Qatar Foundation is the sponsor for TAMUQ and they are really incompetent. People are given high paying and high power positions because of what their last name is. TAMUQ has a budget that exceeds $100,000,000 annually. For a tiny branch campus. I know people here who play lots of solitaire and make over $300,000 a year. No exaggeration.

If you work there and you do not play the game, they will squeeze you out. The people there HATE accountability and are as pretentious as they come. They want their plentiful vacations, high pay and everything that comes with it. I can think of a few great staff members, but my Goodness they are outweighed by the terrible ones. Those are like a cancer to the system.

Trust me when I say, never ever hire anyone who has graduated from TAMUQ unless they have an extremely high GPA and have many people vouching for them. I do know a few good ones, but it is maybe 5%. Most are really slimy and lie like they breathe to manipulate and get what they want. Because they know the university will bend to them, for the almighty dollar.

TAMUQ should by shut down, but it won't be anytime soon.
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Germans in the 1930s were pretty friendly people to the Swiss they were doing business with.

but sure, let's not look at the RULING GOVERNMENTS of any country, let's just see if they are "nice" or "good negotiators" to determine our national interest.

you know who else are "good negotiators"?

Iranians
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TheHoneybadger said:

Without going into too much detail about myself, I have worked at TAMUQ for years. Actually over a decade. I will tell you that the students are not loyal Aggies, they are mostly there to get the degree that makes their family happy. In Qatar it is all about "wasta" and how your individual and family image is. Most Qataris are power hungry and most people I know hate living in Qatar.

They have 4 undergraduate degrees and the cheating there (with full knowledge of the university officials) is VERY abundant. Graduates are dragged across the finish line to make their target graduation rates. I have seen students on probation for 6-8 semesters in a row. Admissions is directed to let in a majority amount of Qataris, while ignoring many qualified students. Qataris who literally failed pre-cal 3 times. Yes, there are a minority of good students there. The academic waivers and overrides given to the students is insane, and they will use semantics to get it done. Just phrase things a certain way and magically you can get around student rules and departmental policies. You can literally be deported for ticking off the wrong Qatari at any time. Whether in a mall or on campus.

Everyone who works at TAMUQ makes gobs of cash. Faculty are insufferable with few exceptions. Most are incompetent people who are literally there for the gigantic paycheck, but play the politics game. People who would make $45,000 on main campus pull $125,000 or more. I know one person that makes over $300,000 annually in salary and allowances and they are absolute trash. I cannot divulge too much, but even if you go search their publicly listed salaries, the information is lower than the real checks. They get a salary premium (in most cases 30%), housing allowance (choice of provided housing or cash allowance), car allowance in cash, and flight allowance in cash. Every month.

I know professors that take 3-4 weeks vacation right in the middle of the semester, no one says a word or it leads to a minor slap on the wrist. Many are lazy and do not want to "work" so they will just have class "discussions" and award A's. Most profs there are not from TAMU and have never even been to main campus. The Admissions department are all people who know nothing of real Aggies and are not even from the USA. So every student that gets accepted into the branch campus (who gets the Aggie ring and degree identical to main campus) is chosen by people who have no business selecting those students for admission.

I could write a novel, but in general, Qataris rule the roost in Doha. Qatar Foundation is the sponsor for TAMUQ and they are really incompetent. People are given high paying and high power positions because of what their last name is. TAMUQ has a budget that exceeds $100,000,000 annually. For a tiny branch campus. I know people here who play lots of solitaire and make over $300,000 a year. No exaggeration.

If you work there and you do not play the game, they will squeeze you out. The people there HATE accountability and are as pretentious as they come. They want their plentiful vacations, high pay and everything that comes with it. I can think of a few great staff members, but my Goodness they are outweighed by the terrible ones. Those are like a cancer to the system.

Trust me when I say, never ever hire anyone who has graduated from TAMUQ unless they have an extremely high GPA and have many people vouching for them. I do know a few good ones, but it is maybe 5%. Most are really slimy and lie like they breathe to manipulate and get what they want. Because they know the university will bend to them, for the almighty dollar.

TAMUQ should by shut down, but it won't be anytime soon.
Disgraceful. What is gained out of this other than $$$$?
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Absolutely nothing, it's all about money. Working at TAMUQ has completely changed my opinion on the university and completely diluted my own degree. They essentially hand degrees out there, then main campus takes their huge payday and ignores everything that goes on there. They depend on the fact that most people do not even know the campus is there. No squeaky wheel, no grease.
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How and why did we decide it was in our interest to have a branch campus in Qatar? Did a few BORs or state senators get cut in on oil deals? I'm just trying to understand the way something like this even gets off the ground.
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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

Courtesy Flush said:

45-70Ag said:

The relationship between A&M and Qatar only benefits Qatar. It should be ended.
I don't know. I spend a lot of time in the Middle East and used to travel to Doha frequently. I think that having an A&M campus there benefits the A&M system as it graduates Aggies that have loyalty to the university and increases awareness of A&M.

I think we sometimes are all guilty of associating the actions of a government with the beliefs of its people. I have done business with many Qataris and while I do find them to be quite hard negotiators, I also find them friendly towards and eager to do business with Americans.

I've always taken the position that if the US government does not want me or my employer doing business in a certain country, sanction or ban it to prevent me from doing business there and I will comply without reservation. Otherwise, I am not going to be critical of a US company (or a university) for doing business in a country where the government makes decisions that I do not agree with.
Doubt if they are true Aggies. Quatar helps Hamas. Why would anyone do business with them?
Let's see, why would any American firm do business with Qatar? Why would:

Exxon Mobil
Chevron
Conoco
Boeing
Raytheon
General Dynamics
Microsoft
Visa
Emerson
Zachry
The US government

work with Qatar? Get off your high horse folks. If US firms only did business with an F16 approved list of countries, we would not be the world's first economy.

And for that poster upset about the crooked nature of TAMU in Qatar - that's the way things go in GCC countries. The governments cater to the natives and lower the standards to get them through. It happens in education and it happens in business. The worst thing you can do is to compare their standards to American standards and get your panties in a wad about it. I've worked expat in the GCC for over 5 years and have seen sub standard engineers get up to my same salary grade simly because the firm needs them there, whether they are qualified for the position or not.

Just think of it this way - if they were competent, they would not need us to go over there and pay us a premium to do our jobs.
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I fail to see where the State of Texas should establish, fund, and authorize ANY campus outside the boundaries of Texas. Period.

Nothing good will come from this. Shut it down now.
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WBBQ74 said:

I fail to see where the State of Texas should establish, fund, and authorize ANY campus outside the boundaries of Texas. Period.

Nothing good will come from this. Shut it down now.
I agree with you about why are we doing anything outside of Texas?

And that goes all the way back to Texas A&M - Koriyama Japan in the 1990s.
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BluHorseShu said:

Russell Bradleys Toupee said:

There's a bit more to this if you understand the role Qatar plays for the US. If you think of Ukraine as a money laundering operation where U.S. Senators, families or business interests, get U.S. government funds washed through Ukraine and back into the USA, then historically Qatar has been our biggest dry cleaner for decades. The U.S government uses Qatar as the pivot point for the distribution of covert funds to facilitate the Dept. of State, CIA and Intelligence Community operations. For example, we give Qatar money to buy U.S. military weapons, the CIA provides the weapons, then we tell Qatar to send the surface-to-air missiles to Libya (this happened). That's just one example, and there are dozens of documented instances. Qatar is also the home base of the Muslim Brotherhood, the official agency for USA influence with political Islam, the tool/bank of the CIA, and the proxy ambassador for U.S. influence with al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas. We give Qatar money, then tell them what to do with it like send to Iran (link) or send to Ukraine (link).

Qatar is our national "dark money" bank.
I thought Saudi Arabia was...no?
No. For many reasons, Saudi Arabia would not be capable of operating with the level of sketchiness that is achievable in Qatar.
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Good posts and fantastic username.
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WBBQ74 said:

I fail to see where the State of Texas should establish, fund, and authorize ANY campus outside the boundaries of Texas. Period.

Nothing good will come from this. Shut it down now.
Yeah… but as pointed out: this is just a play by oil donors to expand oil connections. Lump this in with Vision2020, anti-sully admin, left cost presidents, GOPe political connections, and voting the sips into the SEC and an Aggie may start to wonder if the power wielders have goals which are divergent from Aggie culture…
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WBBQ74 said:

I fail to see where the State of Texas should establish, fund, and authorize ANY campus outside the boundaries of Texas. Period.

Nothing good will come from this. Shut it down now.

The campus is funded by the local government and not Texas. It actually generates revenue for the University. The data below is a little dated but you can see the idea. I think the view at the time was this would also make the University more prestigious by having a campus in another country.

"Texas A&M receives more than $76.2 million each year to operate its campus in Qatar. The Qatar Foundation purchases and owns all property, pays salaries, and reimburses expenses to Texas A&M for its campus in Education City. In addition, TAMU earns a management fee that is inclusive of all of its costs and fees for establishing, managing, and operating TAMUQ.[5] In the budgets approved for FY2014 and proposed for FY2015-2018, TAMU's management fee is $8.2 million.[5]"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/08/texas-university-gets-76-million-each-year-to-operate-in-qatar-contract-says/

I am not saying we should have the campus, just clarifying that Texas tax dollars and tuition money is not going to the campus. It flows the other way.
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Kansas Kid said:


"Texas A&M receives more than $76.2 million each year to operate its campus in Qatar. The Qatar Foundation purchases and owns all property, pays salaries, and reimburses expenses to Texas A&M for its campus in Education City. In addition, TAMU earns a management fee that is inclusive of all of its costs and fees for establishing, managing, and operating TAMUQ.[5] In the budgets approved for FY2014 and proposed for FY2015-2018, TAMU's management fee is $8.2 million.[5]"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/08/texas-university-gets-76-million-each-year-to-operate-in-qatar-contract-says/
Well, now it all makes sense. That's Jimbo money there.

(I've never been a fan of the TAMUQ situation. And there is some naiveite expressed elsewhere on this thread that blows me away.)
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Who ever established this arrangement with a terrorist government should be fired.
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Meanwhile in Qatar, if you actually look at the school website you see these programs listed:

- Chemical Engineering
- Electrical and Computer Engineering
- Mechanical Engineering
- Petroleum Engineering

https://www.qatar.tamu.edu/academics/

Note there is one kind of engineering missing. These appear to be the majors taught on campus. Now could somebody on the Qatar campus study another branch of engineering in College Station by distance learning? Maybe I suppose.
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torrid said:

Meanwhile in Qatar, if you actually look at the school website you see these programs listed:

- Chemical Engineering
- Electrical and Computer Engineering
- Mechanical Engineering
- Petroleum Engineering

https://www.qatar.tamu.edu/academics/

Note there is one kind of engineering missing. These appear to be the majors taught on campus. Now could somebody on the Qatar campus study another branch of engineering in College Station by distance learning? Maybe I suppose.

That is my issue with the article. We might be a leading nuclear program but we don't have any professors or research going on in Qatar in that field. Could someone from Qatar study nuclear, yes if they can get admitted to the major but we have always had a lot of international students in engineering especially the graduate program (I don't know that for nuclear since I have never been involved in that major but I assume it is like the rest). The real concern should be there IMO. We have also had more than one professor in engineering get busted for espionage but I believe they have all been at the main campus.

Is Qatar a positive for the university? I doubt it but that isn't where the risk is in the OP.
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clickbait fakenews and f16 fell for it
Old Army has gone to hell.
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TAMUallen said:

Question is, how close is our relationship?

Why are our course loads different? Why do they (or they had) offer poli sci as a minor but we don't? Are they teaching American political science?

Are we then enabling our enemies while educating them? Do we have American professors or anybody going there? There's a rabbit hole for sure and I don't know if I want to have to go down it


Great points. The problem with American businesses - and yes, colleges are businesses - is that any time they work with, or in, another country, our country is put at risk. It's, sadly, the nature of the beast.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Old Army Ghost said:

clickbait fakenews and f16 fell for it
There is plenty to criticize about the A&M/Qatar relationship, but a non-existent nuke engineering program is not one of them. But hey, at least it...




...wait for it...




...started a conversation.
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