So that's like saying when you leave a giant bowl of candy out on Halloween, you were handing out candy all night?

Not once did I horse around in jr. high.

10,000 times, maybe, but not once.

We had been issuing weapons and equipment to the ANSF long before the Taliban came back in 2008.

Again, based off your analogy…our friend only survived as long as we kept on giving him weapons.

At what point do we say enough is enough?

Like biden making carter look good, this dude is making baghdad bob look legit.

Artorias said:

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aggie93 said:

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Well that took about 10 seconds to disprove.

Weapons the US left in Afghanistan

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After the military exit in the summer of 2021, SIGAR quoted a Taliban official as saying, "The group took possession of more than 300,000 light arms, 26,000 heavy weapons, and about 61,000 military vehicles." That's on top of what they already had.

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Again...those were ANSF assets.

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Distinction without a difference. Nice goaltending though.

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It's always goaltending from that acct. With a left leaning emphasis.

So if we didn't leave a bunch of weapons, ammunition, vehicles, aircraft, and other military hardware behind when we abruptly left.... (we did, but let's go with that narrative for a min...)

Secretary Kirby... Then can you explain how it is that the Taliban has come into possession of so much US Military hardware? If we didn't leave it behind, are we simply incompetent and unable to track valuable assets?

Could be we didn't "leave" weapons...because we '"sold" them and I am among the lucky recipients'.

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Who knew

KIRBY: "We didn't just leave a bunch of weapons in Afghanistan. This is a fallacy. This is a farce."

(He's lying) pic.twitter.com/IQgG9jR2xY

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) December 19, 2023

Pretty bold statment from Kirby on an easily provable falsehood

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About 90 percent of all they say is easily provable falsehood. The problem is the MSM never chooses to. Example: Bidenomics is great for America.

K2-HMFIC said:

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We had been issuing weapons and equipment to the ANSF long before the Taliban came back in 2008.

Again, based off your analogy…our friend only survived as long as we kept on giving him weapons.

At what point do we say enough is enough?

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I'm not arguing we stay there forever. But at the point it was decided that we are going to pull out, it was clear that the Taliban were going to take over the country and that any weapons left behind were going to belong to them. We should have then "ungiven" those weapons and start bringing them back. Then we pull out once we were comfortable with what was left behind.

"Guys!!!! We didn't abandon any weapons! We just abandoned the small, ineffectual force we gave those weapons to in the middle of the night with no transition process and they were taken by the Taliban! A victory for Biden!"

Pizza said:

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Artorias said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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aggie93 said:

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Well that took about 10 seconds to disprove.

Weapons the US left in Afghanistan

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After the military exit in the summer of 2021, SIGAR quoted a Taliban official as saying, "The group took possession of more than 300,000 light arms, 26,000 heavy weapons, and about 61,000 military vehicles." That's on top of what they already had.

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Again...those were ANSF assets.

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Distinction without a difference. Nice goaltending though.

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It's always goaltending from that acct. With a left leaning emphasis.

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Yep. Turd polishing all day everyday for the left.

We abandoned equipment that I bet the Afghan army didn't even know how to operate.

Taliban probably sold a bunch of it on the black market

aTmAg said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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We had been issuing weapons and equipment to the ANSF long before the Taliban came back in 2008.

Again, based off your analogy…our friend only survived as long as we kept on giving him weapons.

At what point do we say enough is enough?

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I'm not arguing we stay there forever. But at the point it was decided that we are going to pull out, it was clear that the Taliban were going to take over the country and that any weapons left behind were going to belong to them. We should have then "ungiven" those weapons and start bringing them back. Then we pull out once we were comfortable with what was left behind.

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And how would you have proposed we do that?


"Yo, ANA, I get that your currently fighting the Taliban and we negotiated on behalf of your legitimately elected government, but I'm gonna need you to drive up to Kabul and drop off all your kit.

Thanks. Bye."


I'm sure that would have gone over real well.

Pizza said:

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Artorias said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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aggie93 said:

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Well that took about 10 seconds to disprove.

Weapons the US left in Afghanistan

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After the military exit in the summer of 2021, SIGAR quoted a Taliban official as saying, "The group took possession of more than 300,000 light arms, 26,000 heavy weapons, and about 61,000 military vehicles." That's on top of what they already had.

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Again...those were ANSF assets.

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Distinction without a difference. Nice goaltending though.

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It's always goaltending from that acct. With a left leaning emphasis.

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Pizza, how much time have you spent in Afghanistan with the ANA?

I'm sorry, but facts don't care about your feelings.

And I've posted repeatedly that I'm an unapologetic Haley supporter, I guess that makes me a leftist now?

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"Guys!!!! We didn't abandon any weapons! We just abandoned the small, ineffectual force we gave those weapons to in the middle of the night with no transition process and they were taken by the Taliban! A victory for Biden!"

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not 100% of it belonged to ANSF and shouldn't we have a duty to keep it out of sworn enemy hands anyway?

Let's just lie because nobody has ever called us out and we can then say it is a conspiracy

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Who knew

KIRBY: "We didn't just leave a bunch of weapons in Afghanistan. This is a fallacy. This is a farce."

(He's lying) pic.twitter.com/IQgG9jR2xY

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) December 19, 2023

Pretty bold statment from Kirby on an easily provable falsehood

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What he means is they didn't leave them on purpose, they just forgot about them. Kind of like when you leave your favorite koozie at your buddies house after a night of drinking.

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I think he's trying to say we didn't "just" leave them. We were so busy evacuating due to the fact that we had no plan that we were "forced" to leave them.

Biden, Milley & Austin were too preoccupied trying to keep the tail tucked firmly between the butt cheeks as we left, that there was no time to gather those pesky weapons.

So it was actually the Taliban's fault. You know, the guys on the camels.

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not 100% of it belonged to ANSF and shouldn't we have a duty to keep it out of sworn enemy hands anyway?

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Cool. Now how would you propose we have done that?

I mean I would have loved for the muj not to get that stuff, but I can also wish in one hand and crap in the other.

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JFABNRGR said:

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not 100% of it belonged to ANSF and shouldn't we have a duty to keep it out of sworn enemy hands anyway?

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Cool. Now how would you propose we have done that?

I mean I would have loved for the muj not to get that stuff, but I can also wish in one hand and crap in the other.

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Shoot the ****ing enemy for one.

Secondly offer to any friend nation the opportunity to come and take; if logistically we really didn't have that capability to remove.

Joe's dementia must be contagious???

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aggie93 said:

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Well that took about 10 seconds to disprove.

Weapons the US left in Afghanistan

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After the military exit in the summer of 2021, SIGAR quoted a Taliban official as saying, "The group took possession of more than 300,000 light arms, 26,000 heavy weapons, and about 61,000 military vehicles." That's on top of what they already had.

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Again...those were ANSF assets.

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Jeez. Split hairs much? Are you arguing we didn't know the ANSF was going to fold by the time we left?

They were our weapons. Period.

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Again...those were ANSF assets.

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I didn't lose that $20 bill on the playground.

I gave it to my kid and he lost it.

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Cool. Now how would you propose we have done that?

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aTmAg said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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We had been issuing weapons and equipment to the ANSF long before the Taliban came back in 2008.

Again, based off your analogy…our friend only survived as long as we kept on giving him weapons.

At what point do we say enough is enough?

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I'm not arguing we stay there forever. But at the point it was decided that we are going to pull out, it was clear that the Taliban were going to take over the country and that any weapons left behind were going to belong to them. We should have then "ungiven" those weapons and start bringing them back. Then we pull out once we were comfortable with what was left behind.

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And how would you have proposed we do that?


"Yo, ANA, I get that your currently fighting the Taliban and we negotiated on behalf of your legitimately elected government, but I'm gonna need you to drive up to Kabul and drop off all your kit.

Thanks. Bye."


I'm sure that would have gone over real well.

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Simply ask them, "Would you rather live under a Taliban with these weapons they can use on you or without?"

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JFABNRGR said:

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not 100% of it belonged to ANSF and shouldn't we have a duty to keep it out of sworn enemy hands anyway?

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Cool. Now how would you propose we have done that?

I mean I would have loved for the muj not to get that stuff, but I can also wish in one hand and crap in the other.

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I've never been there but I bet there's a pretty big portion of the air field where they could have staged a lot of it and had a pretty sizable bonfire.

Canyon beat me to it, but same concept.

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aTmAg said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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We had been issuing weapons and equipment to the ANSF long before the Taliban came back in 2008.

Again, based off your analogy…our friend only survived as long as we kept on giving him weapons.

At what point do we say enough is enough?

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I'm not arguing we stay there forever. But at the point it was decided that we are going to pull out, it was clear that the Taliban were going to take over the country and that any weapons left behind were going to belong to them. We should have then "ungiven" those weapons and start bringing them back. Then we pull out once we were comfortable with what was left behind.

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And how would you have proposed we do that?


"Yo, ANA, I get that your currently fighting the Taliban and we negotiated on behalf of your legitimately elected government, but I'm gonna need you to drive up to Kabul and drop off all your kit.

Thanks. Bye."


I'm sure that would have gone over real well.

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Oh, I see your point.

Much better to just pack up and abandon them - and our Afghani allies who are sure to be murdered shortly.

So the Taliban gets tens of thousands of weapons to sell on the terrorist marketplace... or use on said Afghani allies. But at least we didn't have to make that call to ANA.

Are even listening to yourself? Even the French had the presence of mind to spike their cannons before abandoning their posts. They weren't too worried about upsetting the locals. They were worried about aiding the enemy.

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JFABNRGR said:

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not 100% of it belonged to ANSF and shouldn't we have a duty to keep it out of sworn enemy hands anyway?

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Cool. Now how would you propose we have done that?

I mean I would have loved for the muj not to get that stuff, but I can also wish in one hand and crap in the other.

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Line everything up and let some aircraft practice straffing. Place ecerything close together and drop some jdams or an emp. Remove key components of technical equipment such as helicopters (break rotors in half). Drain oil in engines and turn on till...

Let the northern alliance take everything and move the seat of the afghan govt north. Destroy anything they dob't take.

All goes back to a piss poor plan.

He should have a butt stock from one of those rifles slammed into his head by a family member of someone murdered with one of these weapons.

Liberals: Let's gift the Taliban thousands of machine guns but throw US citizens in prison for 10 years for simple possession the same post '86 non transferable machine guns.

Has there ever been a group of people on the planet that are more hypocritical than the modern American Democrat voting progressive? It's hard to imagine anyone being more disingenuous, deceitful and dishonest.

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Benefit of the doubt is we didn't JUST leave them. We left them in the hands of the Afghan army who we were apparently stupid enough to think could keep them.

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We did not leave weapons behind...

We gave weapons to the Afghan National Security Forces...who basically turned tail and collapsed as soon as it got hard.

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The quote was "left in Afghanistan". There was no distinction made about who they were left with. They were in fact "left in Afghanistan".

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K2-HMFIC said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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not 100% of it belonged to ANSF and shouldn't we have a duty to keep it out of sworn enemy hands anyway?

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Cool. Now how would you propose we have done that?

I mean I would have loved for the muj not to get that stuff, but I can also wish in one hand and crap in the other.

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Line everything up and let some aircraft practice straffing. Place ecerything close together and drop some jdams or an emp. Remove key components of technical equipment such as helicopters (break rotors in half). Drain oil in engines and turn on till...

Let the northern alliance take everything and move the seat of the afghan govt north. Destroy anything they dob't take.

All goes back to a piss poor plan.

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So you want to line up a bunch of stuff spread over a country the size of Texas and California combined, in the middle of a shooting war, where one side willingly gives up the thing they are using to defend themselves, and do this with a just a few dozen troops?


Sure. Sounds doable.

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K2-HMFIC said:

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aTmAg said:

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We had been issuing weapons and equipment to the ANSF long before the Taliban came back in 2008.

Again, based off your analogy…our friend only survived as long as we kept on giving him weapons.

At what point do we say enough is enough?

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I'm not arguing we stay there forever. But at the point it was decided that we are going to pull out, it was clear that the Taliban were going to take over the country and that any weapons left behind were going to belong to them. We should have then "ungiven" those weapons and start bringing them back. Then we pull out once we were comfortable with what was left behind.

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And how would you have proposed we do that?


"Yo, ANA, I get that your currently fighting the Taliban and we negotiated on behalf of your legitimately elected government, but I'm gonna need you to drive up to Kabul and drop off all your kit.

Thanks. Bye."


I'm sure that would have gone over real well.

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Oh, I see your point.

Much better to just pack up and abandon them - and our Afghani allies who are sure to be murdered shortly.

So the Taliban gets tens of thousands of weapons to sell on the terrorist marketplace... or use on said Afghani allies. But at least we didn't have to make that call to ANA.

Are even listening to yourself? Even the French had the presence of mind to spike their cannons before abandoning their posts. They weren't too worried about upsetting the locals. They were worried about aiding the enemy.

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Can you tell me what indications that the Afghans were improving to the point they could defend themselves?


If so, how long would you say we should have stayed there until they did display such competency?


I'll hang up and listen.

aTmAg said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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aTmAg said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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We had been issuing weapons and equipment to the ANSF long before the Taliban came back in 2008.

Again, based off your analogy…our friend only survived as long as we kept on giving him weapons.

At what point do we say enough is enough?

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I'm not arguing we stay there forever. But at the point it was decided that we are going to pull out, it was clear that the Taliban were going to take over the country and that any weapons left behind were going to belong to them. We should have then "ungiven" those weapons and start bringing them back. Then we pull out once we were comfortable with what was left behind.

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And how would you have proposed we do that?


"Yo, ANA, I get that your currently fighting the Taliban and we negotiated on behalf of your legitimately elected government, but I'm gonna need you to drive up to Kabul and drop off all your kit.

Thanks. Bye."


I'm sure that would have gone over real well.

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Simply ask them, "Would you rather live under a Taliban with these weapons they can use on you or without?"

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In there mind, they would have thought;

"You want me to give you the thing that I am using to defend myself? Because if the Muj take over they'll kill me with an AK, a rock, or defenestrate me…doesn't take an M-16 to do it."

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K2-HMFIC said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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not 100% of it belonged to ANSF and shouldn't we have a duty to keep it out of sworn enemy hands anyway?

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Cool. Now how would you propose we have done that?

I mean I would have loved for the muj not to get that stuff, but I can also wish in one hand and crap in the other.

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I've never been there but I bet there's a pretty big portion of the air field where they could have staged a lot of it and had a pretty sizable bonfire.

Canyon beat me to it, but same concept.

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I want you to move 30,000 vehicles from El Paso, Lubbock, Dallas, Texarkana to Brownsville with a few dozen troops and destroy them in a matter of weeks.

It's the same concept.