Israel Announces Take No Prisoners Approach to Embeded 'Journalists'

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In perhaps the most surreal news since Hamas entered Israel on October 7th, slaughtering 1,400 people, it was revealed on Wednesday that multiple "photojournalists" accompanied the terrorists as they attacked.

As RedState reported, multiple "photojournalists" who were contracted by outlets like CNN and the Associated Press, posted pictures of themselves riding into Israel with Hamas. In some instances, actual Israeli hostages can be seen. Their presence alone raised a myriad of questions surrounding what these "photojournalists" knew about the timing of the attack. Obviously, they had prior knowledge, otherwise, they wouldn't have known to be there. Instead of reporting what was going to happen to those who could prevent it, they happily participated.

Perhaps more disturbing was the possibility that the U.S. news organizations they were working for knew what was going on. On that front, both the AP and CNN put out statements categorically denying they were told what was going to happen. They also severed ties with the "photojournalists" in question.

To be clear, when I say "participated," that's exactly what looks to have occurred. One picture, uploaded by one of the "photojournalists" to his own Facebook page, shows him actually holding a grenade.

Outrage rightfully ensued after the series of revelations, which led to the next obvious question: What is Israel going to do about it?

Well, if these "photojournalists" thought they had immunity for participating in a terrorist attack, they thought wrong. According to Israeli UN representative and Knesset member Danny Danon, they will be added to the termination list.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/11/09/israel-reveals-what-it-will-do-to-journalists-who-particpated-in-hamas-attack-n2166098

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Amen
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captkirk said:


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In perhaps the most surreal news since Hamas entered Israel on October 7th, slaughtering 1,400 people, it was revealed on Wednesday that multiple "photojournalists" accompanied the terrorists as they attacked.

As RedState reported, multiple "photojournalists" who were contracted by outlets like CNN and the Associated Press, posted pictures of themselves riding into Israel with Hamas. In some instances, actual Israeli hostages can be seen. Their presence alone raised a myriad of questions surrounding what these "photojournalists" knew about the timing of the attack. Obviously, they had prior knowledge, otherwise, they wouldn't have known to be there. Instead of reporting what was going to happen to those who could prevent it, they happily participated.

Perhaps more disturbing was the possibility that the U.S. news organizations they were working for knew what was going on. On that front, both the AP and CNN put out statements categorically denying they were told what was going to happen. They also severed ties with the "photojournalists" in question.

To be clear, when I say "participated," that's exactly what looks to have occurred. One picture, uploaded by one of the "photojournalists" to his own Facebook page, shows him actually holding a grenade.

Outrage rightfully ensued after the series of revelations, which led to the next obvious question: What is Israel going to do about it?

Well, if these "photojournalists" thought they had immunity for participating in a terrorist attack, they thought wrong. According to Israeli UN representative and Knesset member Danny Danon, they will be added to the termination list.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/11/09/israel-reveals-what-it-will-do-to-journalists-who-particpated-in-hamas-attack-n2166098


Wonder if they were western journalists or journalists that work for Al Jazeera or other outlets in the middle east that sell stories to major news outlets. Regardless, IF western media companies new in advance of the attack, then they are complicit.
I would not want to be on the receiving end of Mossad's efforts.
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Any American journalists that participated in this should have their citizenship revoked and have to remain exiled in Gaza for the rest of their lives.
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So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.
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TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.
A press credential is not a get out of jail free card if you participate in acts of terrorism.
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TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.


Journalists do not exists. Only propagandists. But you know that.
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TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.

If they knew about the raid in advance, why not?
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Any American journalists that participated in this should have their citizenship revoked and have to remain exiled in Gaza for the rest of their lives.
If true, no doubt. Can you imagine if an American journalist was imbedded with the NVA during the Tet offensive? Hope its not true.
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TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.
So you're saying being a journalist is a license to do whatever evil you want, without repercussion?
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TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.


Yes….why not?……if journalists decide to ride along in a terror attack they are fair game.
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What is a "photo journalist" and how do they differ from the journalists we all have known for decades


And are these contracted ones the same as the CNN journalist who is an actual CNN employee, or are they like anyone who does contract work for a company, they're not a true full-time employee with benefits and whatnot?
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TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.


This might be the stupidest post ever posted on here, and that's really saying something
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ABATTBQ11 said:

TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.


This might be the stupidest post ever posted on here, and that's really saying something
As a BQ do you know the ROEs regarding medics and civilians?
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ABATTBQ11 said:

TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.


This might be the stupidest post ever posted on here, and that's really saying something


I have not looked into the circumstances, but did these guys participate or simply observe? The reason journalists / press are given a pass is they are there to observe. That often involves embedding with the "enemy".

If they did anything other than hold a camera or take notes, then they are no longer a journalist and should be treated as an enemy combatant.
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Guys,

Note that these are contract journalists. Literally idiots who answered a CNN want ad in Gaza to contribute content.

I'm as anti-CNN as it gets, but as of this story, there is no evidence that CNN knew or approved. These are locals, think of them almost as volunteer bloggers, that CNN hired because they probably know any western journalist they sent to Gaza would be killed.

The question is whether or not CNN was aware and still used any of this content. That would be extremely disgusting and possibly could result in criminal action against the network if it did so, because Hamas has been recognized by this government as a foreign terrorist organization since the 1990s (under Clinton). Don't get me wrong, CNN is guilty of horrible journalistic malpractice for hiring people without vetting, but that is not the same as knowing these people would do this ahead of time. If it comes out that they did in fact know them, nail them to the wall and put major CNN high-ups on trial for aiding and abetting terrorism.
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fka ftc said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.


This might be the stupidest post ever posted on here, and that's really saying something


I have not looked into the circumstances, but did these guys participate or simply observe? The reason journalists / press are given a pass is they are there to observe. That often involves embedding with the "enemy".

If they did anything other than hold a camera or take notes, then they are no longer a journalist and should be treated as an enemy combatant.
I get what you're saying, but we wouldn't excuse a journalist who knew of a mass shooting in advance and was there to take pics of it. They can't argue that they were duped and were led to believe Hamas was going to attack soldiers instead of women and children. They are just as guilty as Hamas.
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You may be correct on what they knew. And knowing about a potential crime in the US is a bit different than knowing of a potential military action in a conflicted territory.

Yes, I understand Hamas are terrorists, but not everyone in the world sees it the same way.

I am not asking for the journalist not to be held to account, but there are exceptions in what is generally accepted regarding war time journalist embedding with all sides.
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Are they rather propagandists that happen to provide media content to journalism organizations?

Would you consider publicity agents or press secretaries to be journalists?

30 Americans were killed in the attack. That gives us a particular interest in this legal distinction as well. That definitely makes it either a crime or act of war/terrorism from our perspective and if someone knew about it ahead of time and was present for it, that means they might be considered a participant from our perspective.
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fka ftc said:

You may be correct on what they knew. And knowing about a potential crime in the US is a bit different than knowing of a potential military action in a conflicted territory.

Yes, I understand Hamas are terrorists, but not everyone in the world sees it the same way.

I am not asking for the journalist not to be held to account, but there are exceptions in what is generally accepted regarding war time journalist embedding with all sides.
I don't want to get into semantics but calling Oct 7th a military action is a stretch. It was mass torture, rape and murder of non-combatants.
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BluHorseShu said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

Any American journalists that participated in this should have their citizenship revoked and have to remain exiled in Gaza for the rest of their lives.
If true, no doubt. Can you imagine if an American journalist was imbedded with the NVA during the Tet offensive? Hope its not true.
Jane Fonda anyone?
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Any American journalists that participated in this should have their citizenship revoked and have to remain exiled in Gaza for the rest of their lives.
For however short that may be. They made a deal with the devil. F'em
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fka ftc said:

You may be correct on what they knew. And knowing about a potential crime in the US is a bit different than knowing of a potential military action in a conflicted territory.

Yes, I understand Hamas are terrorists, but not everyone in the world sees it the same way.

I am not asking for the journalist not to be held to account, but there are exceptions in what is generally accepted regarding war time journalist embedding with all sides.
Exceptions ???. This was not war time. This is not something that is "generally accepted." This was a murderous terrorist attack, period. Not even close to the same thing. If they knew in advance, they were complicit. They deserve whatever comes their way.
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TheBonifaceOption said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.


This might be the stupidest post ever posted on here, and that's really saying something
As a BQ do you know the ROEs regarding medics and civilians?

US ROE doesn't apply to other countries. Geneva Conventions only apply to signatories. ILAC are supposed to apply to all, but are frequently ignored (as clearly demonstrated by Hamas). But, all of these recognize that civilians (and medics. There is a good video example of this on the Israel/Hamas war thread) can also become combatants.

Short example of that recognition below:


https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Publications/HR_in_armed_conflict.pdf

Civilians are protected against direct attack unless, and for such time, as they directly participate in hostilities. Parties to an armed conflict must take all feasible precautions in determining whether a person is a civilian and, if that is the case, whether he or she is directly participating in hostilities.


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fka ftc said:

You may be correct on what they knew. And knowing about a potential crime in the US is a bit different than knowing of a potential military action in a conflicted territory.

Yes, I understand Hamas are terrorists, but not everyone in the world sees it the same way.

I am not asking for the journalist not to be held to account, but there are exceptions in what is generally accepted regarding war time journalist embedding with all sides.


Do you have any firm beliefs on anything? Or is the whole world kind of a moral gray area?
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"Medics" at antifa protests try to claim the same immunity.

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fka ftc said:

You may be correct on what they knew. And knowing about a potential crime in the US is a bit different than knowing of a potential military action in a conflicted territory.

Yes, I understand Hamas are terrorists, but not everyone in the world sees it the same way.

I am not asking for the journalist not to be held to account, but there are exceptions in what is generally accepted regarding war time journalist embedding with all sides.
Its an important distinction to make, I agree.
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Thanks for sharing that info. It's very interesting.

Would those rules make our fire bombings of Tokyo, Dresden, and Hamburg illegal today, not to say anything about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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oldord said:

BluHorseShu said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

Any American journalists that participated in this should have their citizenship revoked and have to remain exiled in Gaza for the rest of their lives.
If true, no doubt. Can you imagine if an American journalist was imbedded with the NVA during the Tet offensive? Hope its not true.
Jane Fonda anyone?
Seriously...If there was ever a reason for a covert blanket party, she was it.
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So the AP and CNN will terminate them, and then the Israelis will terminate them?
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You may be correct on what they knew. And knowing about a potential crime in the US is a bit different than knowing of a potential military action in a conflicted territory.
Hamas is a terrorist organization and they don't carry out military action. They conduct terror acts indiscriminantly against civilian population.
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Tell me more about this "termination list".
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No Spin Ag said:

What is a "photo journalist" and how do they differ from the journalists we all have known for decades


And are these contracted ones the same as the CNN journalist who is an actual CNN employee, or are they like anyone who does contract work for a company, they're not a true full-time employee with benefits and whatnot?
These days, another way of saying "Someone with a pulse and a device that takes pictures."
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fka ftc said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

TheBonifaceOption said:

So we can kill journalists now? Wow....Bibi is a lil Putin.


This might be the stupidest post ever posted on here, and that's really saying something


I have not looked into the circumstances, but did these guys participate or simply observe? The reason journalists / press are given a pass is they are there to observe. That often involves embedding with the "enemy".


You could at least look at the pictures in the article
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Jabin said:

Thanks for sharing that info. It's very interesting.

Would those rules make our fire bombings of Tokyo, Dresden, and Hamburg illegal today, not to say anything about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
No, but that would be a discussion for another thread. Era and the circumstances of the war/target drove military action and the effects have played a large role in the development of the ILAC. Application to past conflicts would be as pointless as comparing various societies behaviors today to societies behaviors a 100 years ago.

However, even ILAC recognizes that the opponent can/will hide amongst the protected population and states that it is to be avoided unless it's a valid military target.

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