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Skimming through the article it seems like a series hybrid wouldn't work if the batteries failed. How long do the batteries last? How expensive are they to replace?

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Batteries last 7 to 10 years.

It will likely cost $20,000 to replace them.

The average cost per mile, after battery replacement cost, is likely similar to an ICE.

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Yeah, once we have a couple decades of practical use, I'd like to see a real life cycle analysis. Like any other battery run device, those batteries deteriorate in their effectiveness as time goes on resulting in more time spent charging. That time should somehow be factored in too as time costs money too. Then you have battery replacement costs. I don't know very many people who have had to replace an engine block after a few years of use.

I don't hate the idea of an EV. It's just that it isn't the panacea that the marketing tries to sell us. Like I said, an urban commuter vehicle maybe makes a lot of sense, but that's about it. Don't use the wrong tool for the wrong job.

The other thing that isn't being discuss enough is the presumption that electricity is going to always be readily available and relatively inexpensive. The push for all electricity all the time is the rage with our contemporary Marxist tyrants. That should be a huge red flag for anyone.

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Good point of availability of electricity.

I don't have my own personal oilwell, either, but at least you can store gasoline in barrels for longer than you can electrons.

Agree that there are tradeoffs.

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Yes we know about the Ram REV all electric EV, but now Ram just announced the the Ramcharger (690 miles of range in a truck)

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/business/stellantis-ramcharger/index.html

"Tim Kuniskis, the head of Stellantis' Ram truck brand, insisted during a press conference that the Ram 1500 Ramcharger is not a plug-in hybrid. The main distinction, he said, is that the Ramcharger's 3.6 liter 6-cylinder engine is not connected, in any way, to the truck's wheels. It is only connected to a generator that can charge the batteries and, in some situations, send power to the electric motors, which then drive the wheels…..

With fully charged batteries, the Ramcharger can travel as far as 145 miles without having to rely on gasoline. That's far more than most plug-in hybrids currently on the market. Most can only go about 30 or 40 miles on a full charge before needing to use gasoline.

With a fully charged battery pack and a full tank of gas, the Ramcharger should be to drive a total of about 690 miles before needing recharge or refill, according to Stellantis. In terms of total range, that's similar to much smaller, lighter non-plug-in hybrid vehicles like the Hyundai Sonata and Toyota Camry."

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Got to find interesting ways to burn the cities down I guess.

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I like the convenience of the current infrastructure to refuel with gas or diesel.

I won't be buying an EV anytime soon. But, Ram just brough EVs a bit closer for me.

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Thanks for info on batteries. I agree with above. This is the first EV that caught my interest. The environment stuff with EV is smoke and mirrors. For me, it would be all about convenience. If this truck works the way it is supposed to, I would only have to go the gas station on hunting trips to Kansas or fishing trips to the coast. I pretty much fly everywhere else and my daily commute is 7 miles.

But when it's time for me to buy a new truck, total cost of ownership will have to be lower than ICE. I keep my vehicles for a long time.

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here is a tradeoff between lower cost of ownership and torque. What that tradeoff is depends on your own personal utility curve. 600+ hp and 600+ Ft/Lbs is pretty attractive.

Things like this are getting the contemplation of a switch closer to me.

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Half-ton diesels aren't attractive to buyers mainly due to price, IMO. These guys want an extra $3500 just for the engine option. That's too damn much, especially when coupled with higher maintenance costs and higher fuel prices. It would take you about 12 years to recoup that up front cost, at best.

The only market that could really benefit would be weekenders who hunt, fish, pull a small travel trailer, or the lonely saleperson on the highway. For the everyday driver, the benefit simply isn't there and they priced themselves out of the market.

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I am more likely to downshift to a cross-over or mid-sized truck for the 5000 - 8000 lbs of towing than I am to step up to the half-ton diesel. Dig it: a utility trailer can only handle 1500 lbs and a double-axle trailer only 5000 lbs. A Ranger can tow 8000 lbs. An Explorer can tow 5600 lbs.

If I want to tow a travel-trailer, a half-ton probably won't get it.

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Half-ton diesels aren't attractive to buyers mainly due to price, IMO. These guys want an extra $3500 just for the engine option. That's too damn much, especially when coupled with higher maintenance costs and higher fuel prices. It would take you about 12 years to recoup that up front cost, at best.

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The 3.0 diesel an $800 upgrade over the standard 5.3V8 in the Silvy.

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I'm curious how Tesla counters this.

Tesla doesn't do ICE at all.

Now you have a competitor truck that is electric (series hybrid) that gets @700miles to charge/tank and you can refill like a standard ICE.

AND

The same company has a full EV truck that is supposed to get 500 miles to a charge with the bigger battery option.


Tesla has a non-traditional truck coming out that will get 350-400 miles per charge (current best guess since Tesla tells us nothing)

I was pretty pumped about the Tesla CT, but I think Ram is now the front runner if they deliver.

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It's made by Chrysler, Dodge, Daimler, Stelllantis (pick a name) = it will under deliver and generally suck.

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What do those stats look like when you are towing 10k lbs?

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HP and Torque are constant regardless of weight.

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Now....on a conveyor?!

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Guys, too many negative comments about EV's here. I live in Norway, work in the O&G industry and drive a Tesla Model X. I have not seen a gas station in over a year and the ride's awesome. By 2025 there will be no ICE passenger vehicles sold in Norway. Denmark, Sweden and Finland are not too far behind. Need to see what has been done and what's possible before dismissing what seems to be a viable way of reducing GHG's.

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One of the stereotypes of Americans, or, how Europeans can spot Americans from a mile away:

1) We think that 100 years is a long time.
2) We think that 100 kilometers is right around the corner.

Have fun in your nice Tesla in Norway. In Texas, we have land and highways.

It's not that EVs are bad. The torque is great. But batteries are not the best solution right now for long-range storage of energy. EVs are not the best solution for mobility in Texas right now. Because, Texas is big. Trying to force EV adoption in Texas is stupid.

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I know how big Texas is. I know how much I used to commute weekly when living in Houston. And I know without a doubt I will buy a Tesla extended range or the Lightning when I come back from my rotation. No one is forcing me, I just see the performance and the economics.

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Sounds like you live a single urban life working a white collar O&G job. You may have different perspectives if you regularly drove 5+ hours with a big family, or partook in long road trips, or spent a week hunting off grid each fall. Make your consumption decisions and let me make mine.

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To each his own. 95% of my commute is inter and intra- city, but do make it to camp grounds. My only point is posting on this is that EV is a solution as long as the infrastructure is available. Norwegians as a people as probably the most into camping and traveling. EV's are becoming the predominant mode of transport here. It is possible as they have advanced charging infrastructure. Not just here, but into Europe as well. I have driven through Sweden, Denmark into Germany in my Tesla. 10 min charging on a supercharger takes you from 10% to 80%. Just want folks to be aware.

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Regarding pickup trucks: imo half tom diesels are the way forward if efficiency of resources is the goal. There have been several produced that have missed the mark, but chevy is in year 3 ( i think) of a 3 L duramax that is a fantastic combo of performance & economy. I think ford & ram will be forced to follow suit, & these half ton diesels will outsell EV trucks 5 to 1.

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Ram had their EcoDiesel until 2022 but discontinued it for lack of sales.

Ford had a half-ton 3.0L diesel until 2021 also.

It may be the future, but not the immediate future.

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2 reasons why the half ton diesels never really took off:

1. Cost - additional cost of the engine and the fact that, like gasoline spouts, the feds came in and absolutely f'd up diesel, turning it from a cheap and highly efficient fuel source into an expensive and significantly less efficient fuel source. So the up front appeal of cheaper diesel fuel to offset the up front higher cost of the equipment is instantly negated.

2. Availabiliyt - I looked at half tons for a long while when I bought my last truck, specifically focusing on half ton diesel platforms. They were almost impossible to find - nobody had them on their lots. I think I found maybe a half dozen in the Houston area, and only 1 or 2 of them were remotely close to the package I was looking for. Hard to sell something when you never have it available for the consumer to buy.

Guess that latest government check cleared.

There is a bunch more where that came from.

Cobra39

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Half-ton diesels aren't attractive to buyers mainly due to price, IMO. These guys want an extra $3500 just for the engine option. That's too damn much, especially when coupled with higher maintenance costs and higher fuel prices. It would take you about 12 years to recoup that up front cost, at best.

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The 3.0 diesel an $800 upgrade over the standard 5.3V8 in the Silvy.

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Under certain package selections, you can come up with that number.

I'm literally staring at the Chevy "Build your own" website, and to go from a double cab standard bed with a 5.3 to the first available diesel is an $8,800 jump.

Now, go away and leave us alone, you OCD freak.

Hey Dodge, welcome to 1925.

https://www.borail.org/collection/cnj-no-1000/#:~:text=In%201925%2C%20General%20Electric%2C%20in,locomotive%2C%20identified%20as%20the%20No.

Not the hit you think it is.

Many of the first cars were battery electric as well.

The tech isn't new, it's just evolved.

All of these EV threads need Falcon codes...

211!

No, 112, you're an idiot.

Well at least I don't 263...

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Half-ton diesels aren't attractive to buyers mainly due to price, IMO. These guys want an extra $3500 just for the engine option. That's too damn much, especially when coupled with higher maintenance costs and higher fuel prices. It would take you about 12 years to recoup that up front cost, at best.

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The 3.0 diesel an $800 upgrade over the standard 5.3V8 in the Silvy.

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Under certain package selections, you can come up with that number.

I'm literally staring at the Chevy "Build your own" website, and to go from a double cab standard bed with a 5.3 to the first available diesel is an $8,800 jump.

Now, go away and leave us alone, you OCD freak.

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Are you seriously comparing across different trim levels to determine cost of the engine upgrade? Good lord. All things equal, the cost from 5.3V8 to 3.0 Diesel is $800.

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I'm curious how Tesla counters this.

Tesla doesn't do ICE at all.

Now you have a competitor truck that is electric (series hybrid) that gets @700miles to charge/tank and you can refill like a standard ICE.

AND

The same company has a full EV truck that is supposed to get 500 miles to a charge with the bigger battery option.


Tesla has a non-traditional truck coming out that will get 350-400 miles per charge (current best guess since Tesla tells us nothing)

I was pretty pumped about the Tesla CT, but I think Ram is now the front runner if they deliver.

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It's made by Chrysler, Dodge, Daimler, Stelllantis (pick a name) = it will under deliver and generally suck.

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Ford / Chevy fanboys always crack me up.

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What do those stats look like when you are towing 10k lbs?

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HP and Torque are constant regardless of weight.

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Now....on a conveyor?!

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I'm interested. I wonder if the gas engine can be used like the F150 on board generator or if it's for recharging the batteries only.

I would wait to see what real world towing tests look like before even considering purchase. All the previous EV towing tests have been pretty bad. Maybe this setup will be different?

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Regarding pickup trucks: imo half tom diesels are the way forward if efficiency of resources is the goal. There have been several produced that have missed the mark, but chevy is in year 3 ( i think) of a 3 L duramax that is a fantastic combo of performance & economy. I think ford & ram will be forced to follow suit, & these half ton diesels will outsell EV trucks 5 to 1.

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I'm not seeing the economy part of a half ton diesel, unless you tow or haul regularly. How did you draw that conclusion?

1/2 ton Gassers still have more economy than 1/2 ton diesels if you just drive them around town and to work, but rarely tow & haul.

There is a reason Ford and GM are running away from EV's as fast as they can, we can agree on that. I love the GM 3.0 baby duramax, but I still think it is a niche market...not the future of efficiency & performance of mainstream trucks.

This Ramcharger release, I'd be high scared about the reliabilty of the gas engine having zero ties to the drive train. On my F-150 Powerboost, I at least have comfort in know if I have many battery issues, my truck can still run like it's in Sport mode and not use the battery at all. On the ramcharger, if you lose function on the EV side you're completely stranded.

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"Targeted". Let me know how that works out for you.

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Skimming through the article it seems like a series hybrid wouldn't work if the batteries failed. How long do the batteries last? How expensive are they to replace?

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Batteries last 7 to 10 years.

It will likely cost $20,000 to replace them.

The average cost per mile, after battery replacement cost, is likely similar to an ICE.

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Yeah, once we have a couple decades of practical use, I'd like to see a real life cycle analysis. Like any other battery run device, those batteries deteriorate in their effectiveness as time goes on resulting in more time spent charging. That time should somehow be factored in too as time costs money too. Then you have battery replacement costs. I don't know very many people who have had to replace an engine block after a few years of use.

I don't hate the idea of an EV. It's just that it isn't the panacea that the marketing tries to sell us. Like I said, an urban commuter vehicle maybe makes a lot of sense, but that's about it. Don't use the wrong tool for the wrong job.

The other thing that isn't being discuss enough is the presumption that electricity is going to always be readily available and relatively inexpensive. The push for all electricity all the time is the rage with our contemporary Marxist tyrants. That should be a huge red flag for anyone.

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Good point of availability of electricity.

I don't have my own personal oilwell, either, but at least you can store gasoline in barrels for longer than you can electrons.

Agree that there are tradeoffs.

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Marxist tyrants seem to have conceded the ground on total control over the existing behemoth that is the O&G industry. Destroying the O&G energy sector market seems to be their current strategy.

It's pretty clear they don't want direct individual consumer access to fossil fuel energy and are pretty bullish on destroying fossil fuel energy at the wholesale level too, but they don't have a successful alternate they can really force on the industry though they are trying very hard with windmills and solar.

It will be interesting to see the leftist reaction to gasoline powered electric drive vehicles. It will tell you a lot about their motives.

A solution to a nonexistent problem.

But fine. Make these vehicles available. And keep good old ICE vehicles also available.

And allow the consumer to choose what is best for them.

As far as I know, Toyota and Ford are the only 2 major companies that have NOT pledged to stop making ICE vehicles completely in the near future. All of the others have already sold their souls to the climate cult.

So it will be only Toyota or Ford at my house.

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Regarding pickup trucks: imo half tom diesels are the way forward if efficiency of resources is the goal. There have been several produced that have missed the mark, but chevy is in year 3 ( i think) of a 3 L duramax that is a fantastic combo of performance & economy. I think ford & ram will be forced to follow suit, & these half ton diesels will outsell EV trucks 5 to 1.

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I'm not seeing the economy part of a half ton diesel, unless you tow or haul regularly. How did you draw that conclusion?

1/2 ton Gassers still have more economy than 1/2 ton diesels if you just drive them around town and to work, but rarely tow & haul.

There is a reason Ford and GM are running away from EV's as fast as they can, we can agree on that. I love the GM 3.0 baby duramax, but I still think it is a niche market...not the future of efficiency & performance of mainstream trucks.

This Ramcharger release, I'd be high scared about the reliabilty of the gas engine having zero ties to the drive train. On my F-150 Powerboost, I at least have comfort in know if I have many battery issues, my truck can still run like it's in Sport mode and not use the battery at all. On the ramcharger, if you lose function on the EV side you're completely stranded.

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Just looked at Chevy, but this is what each engine produces in a 1500 model base 4 door 2wd truck:

Diesel
HP - 305
Torque - 460
Fuel Combined - 27mpg
Fuel City - 23 mpg
Fuel Highway - 33 mpg
Range - 648 miles

Gas
HP - 355
Torque - 383
Fuel Combined - 17 mpg
Fuel City - 16 mpg
Fuel Highway - 20 mpg
Range - 480 miles

Diesel wins in everything but HP, and most likely up front cost. You do need to factor in DEF with a diesel, but my experience with it was that you don't burn through that much unless you are running the engine hard, and that the cost of DEF is marginally above negligible on a per mile basis (I want to say at the time it was less than a penny per mile, maybe close to a tenth of a penny per mile - but don't quote me on that, it's been a minute since I have had to deal with it).

From a fuel burn aspect (using combined mileage)

Diesel - 648/27*3.89 = $93.36 per fillup
Gas - 480/17*2.87 = $81.03 per fillup

1000 miles Diesel - $144.07
1000 miles Gas - $168.82

I think a solid argument can be made that the economy of a diesel over gas is definitely there.

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What do those stats look like when you are towing 10k lbs?

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Yeah it's not one size fits all.

ICE lovers can't let go of these edge cases that don't apply to most consumers. What percentage of the population has ever towed 10,000 lbs???

Hybrids I believe is the best vehicle architecture but no one here is saying that people who tow 10,000 LBs, or or people who live 500 miles from a charger, or people who can't afford it, must get an EV or hybrid.

Now I know some progressives do want to force it by law, which will be bad for the edge users who have applications where ICE is superior, but the mandates is different debate than the performance and price of EVs and hybrids in my view.

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Half-ton diesels aren't attractive to buyers mainly due to price, IMO. These guys want an extra $3500 just for the engine option. That's too damn much, especially when coupled with higher maintenance costs and higher fuel prices. It would take you about 12 years to recoup that up front cost, at best.

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The 3.0 diesel an $800 upgrade over the standard 5.3V8 in the Silvy.

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Under certain package selections, you can come up with that number.

I'm literally staring at the Chevy "Build your own" website, and to go from a double cab standard bed with a 5.3 to the first available diesel is an $8,800 jump.

Now, go away and leave us alone, you OCD freak.

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Are you seriously comparing across different trim levels to determine cost of the engine upgrade? Good lord. All things equal, the cost from 5.3V8 to 3.0 Diesel is $800.

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Exactly why I said this:

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Under certain package selections, you can come up with that number.

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I knew exactly what you'd come back with. Go be OCD somewhere else.

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Half-ton diesels aren't attractive to buyers mainly due to price, IMO. These guys want an extra $3500 just for the engine option. That's too damn much, especially when coupled with higher maintenance costs and higher fuel prices. It would take you about 12 years to recoup that up front cost, at best.

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The 3.0 diesel an $800 upgrade over the standard 5.3V8 in the Silvy.

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Under certain package selections, you can come up with that number.

I'm literally staring at the Chevy "Build your own" website, and to go from a double cab standard bed with a 5.3 to the first available diesel is an $8,800 jump.

Now, go away and leave us alone, you OCD freak.

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Are you seriously comparing across different trim levels to determine cost of the engine upgrade? Good lord. All things equal, the cost from 5.3V8 to 3.0 Diesel is $800.

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That's why hybrids are great. Gas savings should make up that $800 in a few months.

Is Dodge not losing money fast enough for their Board of Directors.

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Is Dodge not losing money fast enough for their Board of Directors.

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Half-ton diesels aren't attractive to buyers mainly due to price, IMO. These guys want an extra $3500 just for the engine option. That's too damn much, especially when coupled with higher maintenance costs and higher fuel prices. It would take you about 12 years to recoup that up front cost, at best.

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The 3.0 diesel an $800 upgrade over the standard 5.3V8 in the Silvy.

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Under certain package selections, you can come up with that number.

I'm literally staring at the Chevy "Build your own" website, and to go from a double cab standard bed with a 5.3 to the first available diesel is an $8,800 jump.

Now, go away and leave us alone, you OCD freak.

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Are you seriously comparing across different trim levels to determine cost of the engine upgrade? Good lord. All things equal, the cost from 5.3V8 to 3.0 Diesel is $800.

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Exactly why I said this:

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Under certain package selections, you can come up with that number.

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I knew exactly what you'd come back with. Go be OCD somewhere else.

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Again, comparing across trims is dumb. You can't isolate the cost of the engine that way.

Just so everyone can see it, you're trying to pass off the jump from a work truck trim to the LT being the difference in price from a V8 to 3.0 diesel. It's completely ridiculous. It's an $800 jump for the engine alone.

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A solution to a nonexistent problem.

But fine. Make these vehicles available. And keep good old ICE vehicles also available.

And allow the consumer to choose what is best for them.

As far as I know, Toyota and Ford are the only 2 major companies that have NOT pledged to stop making ICE vehicles completely in the near future. All of the others have already sold their souls to the climate cult.

So it will be only Toyota or Ford at my house.

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Agree with bold.

My point is that some consumers might choose a truck with 600+/600+ HP/Torque at this price point and total cost per miles driven.

Disagree that it is "A solution to a nonexistent problem".

It's another option that is likely a good one for some people. It might be the cheapest option per mile for 600/600 performance in a truck.

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I'm curious how Tesla counters this.

Tesla doesn't do ICE at all.

Now you have a competitor truck that is electric (series hybrid) that gets @700miles to charge/tank and you can refill like a standard ICE.

AND

The same company has a full EV truck that is supposed to get 500 miles to a charge with the bigger battery option.


Tesla has a non-traditional truck coming out that will get 350-400 miles per charge (current best guess since Tesla tells us nothing)

I was pretty pumped about the Tesla CT, but I think Ram is now the front runner if they deliver.

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It's made by Chrysler, Dodge, Daimler, Stelllantis (pick a name) = it will under deliver and generally suck.

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Ford / Chevy fanboys always crack me up.

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They are all equally worthless, try again peaches.

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Saltwater Assassin said:

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Regarding pickup trucks: imo half tom diesels are the way forward if efficiency of resources is the goal. There have been several produced that have missed the mark, but chevy is in year 3 ( i think) of a 3 L duramax that is a fantastic combo of performance & economy. I think ford & ram will be forced to follow suit, & these half ton diesels will outsell EV trucks 5 to 1.

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I'm not seeing the economy part of a half ton diesel, unless you tow or haul regularly. How did you draw that conclusion?

1/2 ton Gassers still have more economy than 1/2 ton diesels if you just drive them around town and to work, but rarely tow & haul.

There is a reason Ford and GM are running away from EV's as fast as they can, we can agree on that. I love the GM 3.0 baby duramax, but I still think it is a niche market...not the future of efficiency & performance of mainstream trucks.

This Ramcharger release, I'd be high scared about the reliabilty of the gas engine having zero ties to the drive train. On my F-150 Powerboost, I at least have comfort in know if I have many battery issues, my truck can still run like it's in Sport mode and not use the battery at all. On the ramcharger, if you lose function on the EV side you're completely stranded.

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Just looked at Chevy, but this is what each engine produces in a 1500 model base 4 door 2wd truck:

Diesel
HP - 305
Torque - 460
Fuel Combined - 27mpg
Fuel City - 23 mpg
Fuel Highway - 33 mpg
Range - 648 miles

Gas
HP - 355
Torque - 383
Fuel Combined - 17 mpg
Fuel City - 16 mpg
Fuel Highway - 20 mpg
Range - 480 miles

Diesel wins in everything but HP, and most likely up front cost. You do need to factor in DEF with a diesel, but my experience with it was that you don't burn through that much unless you are running the engine hard, and that the cost of DEF is marginally above negligible on a per mile basis (I want to say at the time it was less than a penny per mile, maybe close to a tenth of a penny per mile - but don't quote me on that, it's been a minute since I have had to deal with it).

From a fuel burn aspect (using combined mileage)

Diesel - 648/27*3.89 = $93.36 per fillup
Gas - 480/17*2.87 = $81.03 per fillup

1000 miles Diesel - $144.07
1000 miles Gas - $168.82

I think a solid argument can be made that the economy of a diesel over gas is definitely there.

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So $2400 over the first 100K miles? Without accounting for DEF and costing more upfront? Sounds like a wash to me.

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Edge cases? Do you even Texas?

I live on the coast. Do you have any idea how many boat trailers I see on a regular day much less the weekends?

I may not tow 10k a lot, but I can fill up a truck bed on quite a regular basis.

The Dodge truck is interesting, but I see no reason to replace my ICE. Give me a better battery solution, and I MIGHT consider replacing my wife's grocery getter.

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I'm curious how Tesla counters this.

Tesla doesn't do ICE at all.

Now you have a competitor truck that is electric (series hybrid) that gets @700miles to charge/tank and you can refill like a standard ICE.

AND

The same company has a full EV truck that is supposed to get 500 miles to a charge with the bigger battery option.


Tesla has a non-traditional truck coming out that will get 350-400 miles per charge (current best guess since Tesla tells us nothing)

I was pretty pumped about the Tesla CT, but I think Ram is now the front runner if they deliver.

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It's made by Chrysler, Dodge, Daimler, Stelllantis (pick a name) = it will under deliver and generally suck.

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Ford / Chevy fanboys always crack me up.

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They are all equally worthless, try again peaches.

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Stellantis and Prius fanboy