… surprising literally nobody (or at least it shouldn't).

He has never once been involved in any election since 2016 where he didn't accuse the other side of cheating, often in advance of the actual election.

Seriously y'all… It's pathetic to believe this guy. This isn't even about trump anymore because he's obvious and buffoonish. It's about all the people who keep falling for this stupid *****

News flash, people:
Ted Cruz did not steal Iowa from Trump in 2016
Hillary won the popular vote in 2016
Biden won in 2020
Nobody in the GOP primary is trying to cheat trump out of the nomination

You can wish as hard as you want this this weren't true but these are facts, no matter what trump says.

Trump says his Republican opponents in the Iowa caucus are going to try and cheat to win it. pic.twitter.com/k6vObsP9rI

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) November 1, 2023

This man has zero respect for his constituents to say things like this and expect them to believe it. But then they prove him right every single time by believing his outlandish lies so he's incentivized to keep doing it.

if we don't nominate trump, it means the communists who stole the 2020 election win. we must keep nominating him until he wins again, he is owed his vengeance!

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if we don't nominate trump, it means the communists who stole the 2020 election win. we must keep nominating him until he wins again, he is owed his vengeance!

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Its sad when the sarcasm can pass for real.

I don't know that Republicans will try to steal Iowa from Trump but I know the FBI will try to protect Biden during the general, just like they did in 2020. Trump is a buffoon but he's still right about the abject corruption that defines DC and he's right that 2020 had massive, massive problems including the FBI lying about Hunter's laptop. This is the same FBI that lied about Russian collusion and protected Hillary from her email mess. That's an infinitely bigger problem than the Iowa primary and if I'm Trump that's where I focus my attention. We can prove the FBI is protecting establishment candidates. That he's attacking his own party proves he's forgotten why he ran in the first place.

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I don't know that Republicans will try to steal Iowa from Trump but I know the FBI will try to protect Biden during the general, just like they did in 2020. Trump is a buffoon but he's still right about the abject corruption that defines DC and he's right that 2020 had massive, massive problems including the FBI lying about Hunter's laptop. This is the same FBI that lied about Russian collusion and protected Hillary from her email mess. That's an infinitely bigger problem than the Iowa primary and if I'm Trump that's where I focus my attention. We can prove the FBI is protecting establishment candidates. That he's attacking his own party proves he's forgotten why he ran in the first place.

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I'm thinking another Republican, if there is one, could go in there and clean up the alphabets better than Trump.

Trump supporters, stick to the topic instead of deflection and distracting.....do you believe Trump when he says his competitors are going to cheat in the IA caucus?

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Trump supporters, stick to the topic instead of deflection and distracting.....do you believe Trump when he says his competitors are going to cheat in the IA caucus?

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Not a Trump supporter necessarily but I do think there's a fight on for the future of the Republican Party that's is between MAGA and the Establishment Republicans so with that backdrop I won't really argue with him on it. The party doesn't want him to get the nomination the question is what are they willing to do to stop it. Regardless I think it's the wrong card to play right now. I think the Republicans need to become the anti-establishment party and Trump is probably the only 2024 candidate that's going to make that happen.

Trump has set the stage for why he loses

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That he's attacking his own party proves he's forgotten why he ran in the first place.

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Forgotten? This who he is!

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Trump supporters, stick to the topic instead of deflection and distracting.....do you believe Trump when he says his competitors are going to cheat in the IA caucus?

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Not a Trump supporter necessarily but I do think there's a fight on for the future of the Republican Party that's is between MAGA and the Establishment Republicans so with that backdrop I won't really argue with him on it. The party doesn't want him to get the nomination the question is what are they willing to do to stop it. Regardless I think it's the wrong card to play right now. I think the Republicans need to become the anti-establishment party and Trump is probably the only 2024 candidate that's going to make that happen.

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If you really believe that, you need someone who is believable. Trump has people yelling at clouds and is crying wolf so much, no one will ever EVER take him seriously on the subject. He jumped the shark and if you want the election issues to be fixed, Trump is actually the worst possible person to support to do it.

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Trump has set the stage for why he loses

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And begins the narrative to his next run in 2028...

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Regardless I think it's the wrong card to play right now.

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Are you serious? Ok everybody, just so we're clear… This card shouldn't even be in the deck! This shouldn't even require saying, but here we are so here I go… taking your opponents to court for knowingly false claims of cheating IS cheating.

And while hasn't done it yet this go around, he's done it before and would absolutely do it again if necessary. Sadly, he won't need to. He's already got this thing locked down.

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Regardless I think it's the wrong card to play right now.

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Are you serious? Ok everybody, just so we're clear… This card shouldn't even be in the deck! This shouldn't even require saying, but here we are so here I go… falsely taking your opponents to court for cheating IS cheating.

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What are you talking about? I said attacking Republicans is the wrong play right now. The corruption in DC is the problem. Secure the nomination and fight the bigger battle. What don't you understand about that? You gots me completely confused.

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Regardless I think it's the wrong card to play right now.

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Are you serious? Ok everybody, just so we're clear… This card shouldn't even be in the deck! This shouldn't even require saying, but here we are so here I go… falsely taking your opponents to court for cheating IS cheating.

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What are you talking about? I said attacking Republicans is the wrong play right now. The corruption in DC is the problem. Secure the nomination and fight the bigger battle. What don't you understand about that? You gots me completely confused.

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Fair enough. I can see that interpretation when I re-read it. I just read it through the lens of trump cheating since that's the topic.

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Trump supporters, stick to the topic instead of deflection and distracting.....do you believe Trump when he says his competitors are going to cheat in the IA caucus?

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Not a Trump supporter necessarily but I do think there's a fight on for the future of the Republican Party that's is between MAGA and the Establishment Republicans so with that backdrop I won't really argue with him on it. The party doesn't want him to get the nomination the question is what are they willing to do to stop it. Regardless I think it's the wrong card to play right now. I think the Republicans need to become the anti-establishment party and Trump is probably the only 2024 candidate that's going to make that happen.

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If you really believe that, you need someone who is believable. Trump has people yelling at clouds and is crying wolf so much, no one will ever EVER take him seriously on the subject. He jumped the shark and if you want the election issues to be fixed, Trump is actually the worst possible person to support to do it.

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I don't disagree. He's not the right person for the job at this point but I don't see anyone else willing to take on the Establishment. Hell right now the party doesn't want to take it on which is the real problem. The party just wants to maintain status quo where they're the Washington Generals who pretend to want to win but we all know they'll lose. I view the DC Establishment as the biggest threat we face and he's the only one even talking about it at this point. He's unhinged and off the rails but everyone else seems to be in on the grift. I'd love another option but who?

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Regardless I think it's the wrong card to play right now.

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Are you serious? Ok everybody, just so we're clear… This card shouldn't even be in the deck! This shouldn't even require saying, but here we are so here I go… falsely taking your opponents to court for cheating IS cheating.

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What are you talking about? I said attacking Republicans is the wrong play right now. The corruption in DC is the problem. Secure the nomination and fight the bigger battle. What don't you understand about that? You gots me completely confused.

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Fair enough. I can see that interpretation when I re-read it. I just read it through the lens of trump cheating since that's the topic.

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Ah, ok. Trump is a bizarre phenomenon right now so nothing that gets said about him surprises me.

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I don't see anyone else willing to take on the Establishment. Hell right now the party doesn't want to take it on which is the real problem.

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Desantis

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True and I genuinely hope he gets the nomination but right now he looks dead in the water. But yes he is at least talking about it. Maybe he'll figure out how to run a campaign and get some traction.

I wish my fellow conservatives/republicans could nominate someone else but I don't take a thread/topic seriously when our, ahem, most politically left leaning posters open it and are basically the folks driving it for the first 10 or so posts.

No, Cruz didn't steal Iowa just like Trump didn't collude with Russia in 2016. Hillary did hire opposition research to make up a phony hoax about Trump and Russia to try to interfere in 2016 and even convince the state to spy on her political opposition for a made up hoax for the next several years though. And in 2020, you can't just have mass censoring of real information that should be important to voters wiped off the internet before the election, have your pravda media arm perform fellatio on a phony letter to mislead voters on that real information before the election, and turn absentee voting into mass un-surveilled, untraceable, un-auditable, mickey mouse banana republic mailed in election and say with a straight face that it was the most secure election ever and Joe Biden really is by far the most popular politician to ever grace USA with his presence, far more popular than Obama ever was. 2020 election was ****ed up six ways from Sunday and everyone knows it.

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That he's attacking his own party proves he's forgotten why he ran in the first place.

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Forgotten? This who he is!

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Yep. Every election he's ever lost, starting with Iowa in 2016, was because of cheating. He's a crybaby toddler in a geriatric body who has somehow tricked a large portion of the population into thinking he's a good option to lead the country.

Which says he knows Iowa is a lot closer than the polls suggest.

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Which says he knows Iowa is a lot closer than the polls suggest.

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Interesting. I hadn't thought about it that way. Makes wonder if that drum will start to beat louder or if he'll get enough push back on this opening salvo to quiet that line of attack.

#nottheonion

This is like those memes where Hillary expresses her condolences on the suicide of somebody who is still working for her and alive.

But he's not being ironic and it's not a joke.

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Trump supporters, stick to the topic instead of deflection and distracting.....do you believe Trump when he says his competitors are going to cheat in the IA caucus?

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Not a Trump supporter necessarily but I do think there's a fight on for the future of the Republican Party that's is between MAGA and the Establishment Republicans so with that backdrop I won't really argue with him on it. The party doesn't want him to get the nomination the question is what are they willing to do to stop it. Regardless I think it's the wrong card to play right now. I think the Republicans need to become the anti-establishment party and Trump is probably the only 2024 candidate that's going to make that happen.

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You aren't paying attention then.

Trump IS the Establishment. He endorsed Ronna McDaniel for Chair and just praised her AGAIN a few days ago. He hangs out with Lindsey Graham. The quote I have below on McCarthy was from the day he was removed as Speaker (Trump was literally calling people on the floor of the House whipping votes for him). He has McConnell's right hand Steve Daines out front for him as well. He's openly working with Leftist media to attack DeSantis. Wake up.

The Establishment doesn't care about winning elections, they care about their own power. In many ways being in the Minority is better for them because they can get all their kickback deals and feign support for conservative issues they know will never become law. That's who Trump is now too or maybe you missed him calling people losers who thought he would have Mexico pay for the Wall.

There is a candidate that is truly fighting the Establishment out there. They are doing everything they can to take him down including trying to rig the debates. He's going to keep fighting though. The issues he is talking about and how he will go about it can actually work and will actually destroy the Uniparty at its core but he needs support.

Open your eyes and choose wisely.

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True and I genuinely hope he gets the nomination but right now he looks dead in the water. But yes he is at least talking about it. Maybe he'll figure out how to run a campaign and get some traction.

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Trump already crying about losing this says a lot about how effectively DeSantis is actually running his campaign.

Yep, Trump doing his little hissy fit act already is the most positive sign I've seen for DeSantis in several months

It's ok to know there was massive cheating in 2020 in swing states and by big tech and the alphabets and also know Trump is a narcissistic buffoon and it's time to move on to a much better candidate like DeSantis.

It really won't make your head explode. And, a massive effort needs to take place to make our elections secure.

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Biden won in 2020

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You were doing ok until you got to this, where you discredited yourself, plus all the BS that came his way since then. Nice try

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Biden won in 2020

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You were doing ok until you got to this, where you discredited yourself, plus all the BS that came his way since then. Nice try

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He's just claimed preemptive cheating against his opponents in Iowa before the election as a defensive maneuver and setting the groundwork for an objection. I think even you know that's a lie.

This is EXACTLY what he did in 2020. To suggest that 2020 was stolen would be to suggest that he was lying that time to and yet was right anyway by accident, bucking all historical voting outcomes regarding cheaters stealing presidential elections.

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I wish my fellow conservatives/republicans could nominate someone else but I don't take a thread/topic seriously when our, ahem, most politically left leaning posters open it and are basically the folks driving it for the first 10 or so posts.

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This. Pretty disingenuous trump bashing thread yet again by all our resident bad take givers.

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Biden won in 2020

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You were doing ok until you got to this, where you discredited yourself, plus all the BS that came his way since then. Nice try

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He's just claimed preemptive cheating against his opponents in Iowa before the election as a defensive maneuver and setting the groundwork for an objection. I think even you know that's a lie.

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It's not a 'lie' because as you said the election hasn't happened yet. I agree it's uncalled for.

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This is EXACTLY what he did in 2020. To suggest that 2020 was stolen would be to suggest that he was lying that time to and yet was right anyway by accident, bucking all historical voting outcomes regarding cheaters stealing presidential elections.

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No. It is EXACTLY what the dems did in 2020. They claimed Trump would "cheat" and "falsely" claim the election was stolen so that when they actually did steal the election and Trump naturally called foul they could say "See?! I told you so!". Then the gullible uninformed public falls for it.

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I wish my fellow conservatives/republicans could nominate someone else but I don't take a thread/topic seriously when our, ahem, most politically left leaning posters open it and are basically the folks driving it for the first 10 or so posts.

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This. Pretty disingenuous trump bashing thread yet again by all our resident bad take givers.

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What specifically is disingenuous about it? Is Trump not accusing other republicans of cheating before any elections have even happened?