New Texas law is a big governments dream

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itsyourboypookie
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7:49a, 10/27/23
And a tad racist. And without due process seems unconstitutional. Does this mean I can be pulled over to prove I'm a citizen? Or will I have to be committing another crime first?

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7:54a, 10/27/23
People thought the Patriot Act, NFA, TSA, and countless other big gov expansions were a great idea because of the crisis at the time.

This looks like another example of government creating a problem then limiting our freedoms as a solution.
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7:59a, 10/27/23
Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF
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In reply to itsyourboypookie • 8:00a, 10/27/23
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Due process here should include some form of US government ID and/or visa.

If the individual doesn't have it, I can be ok with this.
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8:02a, 10/27/23
Take them to the border and then what? Kick them across?
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8:03a, 10/27/23
AG
Eh… big deal. Border is wide open. They'll just come back.
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In reply to Ags4DaWin • 8:04a, 10/27/23
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Ags4DaWin said:
Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF
sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

No, this is too much power for law enforcement. Sure, it's more difficult requiring proof and conviction before punishment, but it is a pillar of a free society.

The answer is to keep them from coming across in the first place.
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
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8:04a, 10/27/23
I'm still waiting for the part of the law that's racist. Does it only say that they can detain and transport people of a certain color?
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8:04a, 10/27/23
Good law.

If they are here legally, they do not have to go back to Mexico. They can be arrested and make their case as to why they should not be deported.

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8:04a, 10/27/23
Wouldn't trust anything Gina Hinojosa says without looking a lot deeper.

She's an Austin leftist to the core.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to Martin Q. Blank • 8:09a, 10/27/23
Martin Q. Blank said:
Take them to the border and then what? Kick them across?
I was told there would be a trebuchet, but same general end result.
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In reply to itsyourboypookie • 8:09a, 10/27/23
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itsyourboypookie said:
And a tad racist. And without due process seems unconstitutional. Does this mean I can be pulled over to prove I'm a citizen? Or will I have to be committing another crime first?

It's not exactly hard to prove you are either a citizen or here legally. If you don't have ID and you can't call someone to bring you an ID or show you are a citizen or here legally I'd say the odds of you being an illegal are about 99.99%. So I tell you what, for that 1 in 10,000 or so chance that happens I think we should apologize to that person who was inconvenienced and tell them to have some ID next time.

In the meantime we have a real crisis that is destroying the State we need to address.
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In reply to Dad-O-Lot • 8:09a, 10/27/23
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Dad-O-Lot said:
Ags4DaWin said:
Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF
sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

No, this is too much power for law enforcement. Sure, it's more difficult requiring proof and conviction before punishment, but it is a pillar of a free society.

The answer is to keep them from coming across in the first place.
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT relating to prohibitions on the illegal entry into or illegal presence in this state by a person who is an alien, the enforcement of those prohibitions, and authorizing under certain circumstances the removal of persons who violate certain of those prohibitions; creating criminal offenses.

Could be wrong but my understanding after reading it (its not long) is I dont see anything regarding detainment that ventures away from what they already can do in the event that you cant/dont identify yourself, and this is specifically regarding illegal aliens when it comes to carting them to the border.

Its really not hard to prove you live here legally and the idea that they're just gonna run folks straight to the border that happen to not have their ID is ridiculous, never mind the fact that it is requirement in every country on earth to have passport/ID on you at all times if you're not a citizen. As for a citizen - license number? SS#? Address? Anything? Not hard.
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8:11a, 10/27/23
The text so y'all can actually read it and not get her editorial view on the law
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Sec. 51.02. ILLEGAL ENTRY FROM FOREIGN NATION. (a) A person who is an alien commits an offense if the person enters or attempts to enter this state from a foreign nation at any location other than a lawful port of entry.
[url=https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/883/billtext/pdf/HB00004I.pdf#navpanes=0][/url]
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In reply to Dad-O-Lot • 8:26a, 10/27/23
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Dad-O-Lot said:
Ags4DaWin said:
Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF
sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

No, this is too much power for law enforcement. Sure, it's more difficult requiring proof and conviction before punishment, but it is a pillar of a free society.

The answer is to keep them from coming across in the first place.


The friend who's Hispanic can speak, read, and write English.

The person who just got here illegally can not do any of the above. Why are we making this so hard?
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In reply to GenericAggie • 9:03a, 10/27/23
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GenericAggie said:
Dad-O-Lot said:
Ags4DaWin said:
Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF
sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

No, this is too much power for law enforcement. Sure, it's more difficult requiring proof and conviction before punishment, but it is a pillar of a free society.

The answer is to keep them from coming across in the first place.


The friend who's Hispanic can speak, read, and write English.

The person who just got here illegally can not do any of the above. Why are we making this so hard?


My grandma was a 5th generation Texan who grew up in Starr County who didn't speak English. She didn't write it or read it either. She didn't have the need. Believe it or not, there are a lot of folks just like her. So she should be deported?

This is hypothetical since she's dead
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9:04a, 10/27/23
I can't sit until some jackboot abuses this and someone's Karen wife ends up in Mexico
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In reply to itsyourboypookie • 9:07a, 10/27/23
itsyourboypookie said:
I can't sit until some jackboot abuses this and someone's Karen wife ends up in Mexico
Why would Karen agree to go to Mexico if she is not an illegal?

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In reply to itsyourboypookie • 9:13a, 10/27/23
itsyourboypookie said:
And a tad racist. And without due process seems unconstitutional. Does this mean I can be pulled over to prove I'm a citizen? Or will I have to be committing another crime first?

Due process and the constitution applies first and foremost to citizens of the United States after that it can apply for illegal aliens. Most of us carry proof of citizenship/residency on our selves at all times.

And yes the courts will most likely strike this down.



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9:16a, 10/27/23
AG
Big city cops obviously have not time for this. But there is undoubtedly a small-county sheriff already planning his own deportation YouTube channel.
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In reply to GenericAggie • 9:26a, 10/27/23
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GenericAggie said:
Dad-O-Lot said:
Ags4DaWin said:
Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF
sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

No, this is too much power for law enforcement. Sure, it's more difficult requiring proof and conviction before punishment, but it is a pillar of a free society.

The answer is to keep them from coming across in the first place.


The friend who's Hispanic can speak, read, and write English.

The person who just got here illegally can not do any of the above. Why are we making this so hard?
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Always fun when the guys in Amarillo (or wherever the hell you are) out themselves as having spent almost ZERO time south of San Antonio and especially in The Valley.

Funny watching so many of you mock the lefties who trot out the "If you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to fear" line and yet are defending literally the exact same argument in this context.

Yeah, we need to do more as a State because Incle Sam ain't doing near enough. However, this ain't it.
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In reply to $3 Sack of Groceries • 9:28a, 10/27/23
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You're saying people who are born in the US, grow up in TX south of San Antonio don't speak, write, or read English?

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9:30a, 10/27/23
Someone should "take her to the border".

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In reply to doubledog • 9:30a, 10/27/23
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doubledog said:
itsyourboypookie said:
And a tad racist. And without due process seems unconstitutional. Does this mean I can be pulled over to prove I'm a citizen? Or will I have to be committing another crime first?

Due process and the constitution applies first and foremost to citizens of the United States after that it can apply for illegal aliens. Most of us carry proof of citizenship/residency on our selves at all times.

And yes the courts will most likely strike this down.





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In reply to $3 Sack of Groceries • 9:35a, 10/27/23
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And let me be clear - I do NOT support this bill. I understand the implications. This is an infringement on our 1st amendment.
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In reply to GenericAggie • 9:51a, 10/27/23
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GenericAggie said:
Dad-O-Lot said:
Ags4DaWin said:
Have UR ID and it's not a problem. At this point something has to be done to empower state and local Law Enforcement since the Federal government has shown zero interest in protecting citizens and border states amd until thatchanges you will see more like this.

At this point DGAF
sounds great, until someone hispanic you know is taken to Mexico just because they didn't have their ID with them.

No, this is too much power for law enforcement. Sure, it's more difficult requiring proof and conviction before punishment, but it is a pillar of a free society.

The answer is to keep them from coming across in the first place.


The friend who's Hispanic can speak, read, and write English.

The person who just got here illegally can not do any of the above. Why are we making this so hard?
Those are a lot of assumptions that will not always be the case.

You don't think any Mexicans crossing the border speak, read, and write English?

In the 90s, I knew a hispanic woman who looked very hispanic and who got checked every time she went to and came back from Mexico. Another friend I knew was Mexican and in the US illegally, but she was blonde-haired and blue-eyed and knew English very well. She never got checked.
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In reply to itsyourboypookie • 9:58a, 10/27/23
Here is the text of the bill.

It has Constitutional problems. The notion of your local deputy just deciding that some random person is an "illegal alien" (with no court determination or due process) and dumping the poor guy in del Rio and telling hi to go to Acuña is ... problematic.
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9:59a, 10/27/23
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Has anyone posted the actual text of the law or we're just taking that kooks propaganda as the gospel?
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In reply to GenericAggie • 9:59a, 10/27/23
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GenericAggie said:
You're saying people who are born in the US, grow up in TX south of San Antonio don't speak, write, or read English?


To follow up on Charpie's comments…you ever been to Starr County? Yes, I worked many years with natural born Americans of Mexican descent who could hardly speak a word of English.

May be hard for you to believe hence my earlier comment about Amarillo guys chiming in on the issue. The Valley is another world. Especially the further west you get from Brownsville. There's a stretch from about La Joya to damn near Laredo that would blow your mind.
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In reply to Antoninus • 10:01a, 10/27/23
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Thank you
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10:02a, 10/27/23
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In reply to Im Gipper • 10:02a, 10/27/23
Im Gipper said:
Good law.

If they are here legally, they do not have to go back to Mexico. They can be arrested and make their case as to why they should not be deported.
Except that is not what the bill SAYS.

Barney Fife can unilaterally haul some random person to Brownsville, tell the to go to Matamoros and just dump them f they don't cross the border. That person does NOT get the chance to "make (his) case as to why (he) should not be deported." All of this is at Barney's OPTION without any judicial involvement at all.
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Penal Code 51.01(e)

A peace officer may, in lieu of arrest, remove a person detained for a violation of this section by:

(1) collecting any identifying information the person may have;

(2) transporting the person to a port of entry; and

(3) ordering the person to return to the foreign nation from which the person entered or attempted to enter.
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10:02a, 10/27/23
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Really tricky, fine line here. From what I'm seeing, the wording in the bill doesn't specifically say how/why a suspect is stopped and asked for ID to verify that they've gotten here illegally. And I think both sides of the argument are missing the key point--how does the initial request for legal ID get instigated?

If it happens as part of a routine traffic stop, or any other interaction with police where ID is normally requested, then this bill is actually a good thing. It would give some additional authority/efficiency to the state to get these illegals back to the border without the federal court system dragging everything out and letting people waltz away and never come back for their court date.

HOWEVER, if the primary reason a cop/BP officer comes and asks for your ID is purely just to confirm you're a legal citizen/resident, that does indeed present a constitutional concern for the 4th amendment (unreasonable search & seizure).

I would bet this was created with the purpose of the first scenario I mentioned. I highly doubt the state or any local counties/cities want their officers walking up to anybody and everybody that looks foreign, and saying "hey I need to see your ID to prove you're not an illegal alien". They have way more important things to do on a daily basis, and it also is a giant PR nightmare just waiting to happen.
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In reply to GenericAggie • 10:05a, 10/27/23
GenericAggie said:

The friend who's Hispanic can speak, read, and write English.

The person who just got here illegally can not do any of the above. Why are we making this so hard?
Because this bill allows Barney Fife to haul anyone to Laredo and dump him, rather than arresting him and giving him a chance to prove that he belongs here.
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10:06a, 10/27/23
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How very gestapo of them.
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