Title IX is discriminatory and I cannot understand how it has been able to exist for five decades.

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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Tibbers said:

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Here's a solution, remove title ix. No one cares about women's sports.

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You obviously don't have daughter's that have experienced bring treated as second class athlete simply because they don't have a dick.

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Ummm…they are, bro. That's why men's sports at all levels (NBA for WNBA, NCAAF for women's collegiate sports, etc.) help to, or completely subsidize the women's sports teams. They can't stand on their own because very, very few people will voluntarily watch, much less pay to watch women play sports.

Sorry but that is reality.

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I wasn't and I don't believe anyone else is arguing that females are in the same category as males based on athletic ability alone. They aren't for the most part. However, that shouldn't exclude them from having access to same benefits the males have who are also athletes...especially at public universities and high schools that are funded by our tax dollars.

I also haven't seen anyone argue that female professional sports can stand on it's own.

Your statement and others that are similar are tantamount to saying women's athletics shouldn't exist simply because it's women's athletics. My daughter is going through the recruiting process right now and honestly, at most universities, the disparity isn't as egregious as it is in high schools that are run by good old boys reliving their lack of glory days. When male HS sports get new uniforms every single year and the latest and greatest equipment and training facilities and state/nationwide searches for coaches and the females get coaches that are breathing bodies and are given basically scraps or leftovers it is not right by any stretch of the imagination.

Agthatbuilds said:

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https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/38632774/notre-dame-power-five-schools-gender-bias-tweets-analysis

College promote men's teams more on social media than women's

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Guess colleges can just stop tweeting. There's no way to equitably promote every athlete in a school.

There was one school who promoted women more than men- tu

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To be fair the women's programs at Texas have doubled up championships on the men's since 2020 (volleyball, track and field, rowing X2, tennis X2 compared to the men's championships in golf, swimming/diving, and track and field).

Spotted Ag said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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Tibbers said:

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Here's a solution, remove title ix. No one cares about women's sports.

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You obviously don't have daughter's that have experienced bring treated as second class athlete simply because they don't have a dick.

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Ummm…they are, bro. That's why men's sports at all levels (NBA for WNBA, NCAAF for women's collegiate sports, etc.) help to, or completely subsidize the women's sports teams. They can't stand on their own because very, very few people will voluntarily watch, much less pay to watch women play sports.

Sorry but that is reality.

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I wasn't and I don't believe anyone else is arguing that females are in the same category as males based on athletic ability alone. They aren't for the most part. However, that shouldn't exclude them from having access to same benefits the males have who are also athletes...especially at public universities and high schools that are funded by our tax dollars.

I also haven't seen anyone argue that female professional sports can stand on it's own.

Your statement and others that are similar are tantamount to saying women's athletics shouldn't exist simply because it's women's athletics. My daughter is going through the recruiting process right now and honestly, at most universities, the disparity isn't as egregious as it is in high schools that are run by good old boys reliving their lack of glory days. When male HS sports get new uniforms every single year and the latest and greatest equipment and training facilities and state/nationwide searches for coaches and the females get coaches that are breathing bodies and are given basically scraps or leftovers it is not right by any stretch of the imagination.

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Your previous post certainly read that way…

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You obviously don't have daughter's that have experienced bring treated as second class athlete simply because they don't have a dick.

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You don't understand why the sports that actually bring in income that pay for the women's sports get treated like a revenue generator?

Also, tax dollars have nothing to do with athletics at a public university.

Tibbers said:

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title ix killed men's soccer in this country. We'd be the best in the world at the sport if colleges actually offered free rides to play that dumb sport.

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If you're playing college soccer at 18-22 you're already behind the 8 ball as far as the rest of the world's talent that are competing professionally in the best leagues/systems in the world at that age. For the men anyway.

Spotted Ag said:

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Tibbers said:

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Here's a solution, remove title ix. No one cares about women's sports.

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You obviously don't have daughters that have experienced being treated as second-class athletes simply because they don't have a dick.

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Is it because of that, or is it because there is so much less interest in female sports?

I knew plenty of male, non-revenue athletes at A&M who thought they were treated as "second-class athletes." It was about the relative lack of interest in their sport, not about their gender.

Look how hard ESPN tries to push and publicize the WNBA on a disinterested public, without ever getting much traction.

Softball is the only female collegiate sport that draws a decent amount of interest.

Promoting women's athletics from the article:

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Nebraska pole vaulter Jess Gardner, who has more than 350,000 followers across mostly Instagram and TikTok, credits Nebraska athletics for teaching her about brand management but said the content that built her following was her own doing. She said she didn't get a ton of followers from team promotion, "but it didn't hurt by any means."

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Many women athletes with the most lucrative NIL deals, including LSU gymnast Olivia Dunne, benefited from their followings on Instagram and TikTok.

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I'm sensing a pattern.

Faustus said:

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Tibbers said:

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title ix killed men's soccer in this country. We'd be the best in the world at the sport if colleges actually offered free rides to play that dumb sport.

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If you're playing college soccer at 18-22 you're already behind the 8 ball as far as the rest of the world's talent that are competing professionally in the best leagues/systems in the world at that age. For the men anyway.

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It is more like it is another path to success. Basically if the top 1% are going pro by 18-22 but the next 10% are able to get college scholarships then that would increase the expected payoff of playing soccer. Currently just the top 1% see any real return on the investment.

I have no problem with donating and it is donating money to women's sports at TAMU. It is part of the process in getting an education and good for their health. Now, they do not make a dime and rather they cost money.

Those who want to push the envelope to add more be careful. Do not kill the goose.

DTP02 said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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Tibbers said:

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Here's a solution, remove title ix. No one cares about women's sports.

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You obviously don't have daughters that have experienced being treated as second-class athletes simply because they don't have a dick.

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Is it because of that, or is it because there is so much less interest in female sports?

I knew plenty of male, non-revenue athletes at A&M who thought they were treated as "second-class athletes." It was about the relative lack of interest in their sport, not about their gender.

Look how hard ESPN tries to push and publicize the WNBA on a disinterested public, without ever getting much traction.

Softball is the only female collegiate sport that draws a decent amount of interest.

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Basketball and volleyball draw more, and the female athletes get more NIL money too.

Softball gets about 1/6th of what the female basketball players get.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/15/that-nike-bronny-james-nil-deal-was-a-big-deal-for-women-too.html

Kind of interesting that football only draws half of the NIL money as of 9/22 according to the article (with men's basketball netting another 20% with a fraction of the players needing to be paid).

Husker volleyball sold out Memorial stadium a couple of months ago with 92k fans watching the team beat Omaha. They're kind of desperate to support a winner in Nebraska these days.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38294591/nebraska-volleyball-sets-world-record-attendance-women-sporting-event

Spotted Ag said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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Tibbers said:

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Here's a solution, remove title ix. No one cares about women's sports.

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You obviously don't have daughter's that have experienced bring treated as second class athlete simply because they don't have a dick.

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Ummm…they are, bro. That's why men's sports at all levels (NBA for WNBA, NCAAF for women's collegiate sports, etc.) help to, or completely subsidize the women's sports teams. They can't stand on their own because very, very few people will voluntarily watch, much less pay to watch women play sports.

Sorry but that is reality.

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I wasn't and I don't believe anyone else is arguing that females are in the same category as males based on athletic ability alone. They aren't for the most part. However, that shouldn't exclude them from having access to same benefits the males have who are also athletes...especially at public universities and high schools that are funded by our tax dollars.

I also haven't seen anyone argue that female professional sports can stand on it's own.

Your statement and others that are similar are tantamount to saying women's athletics shouldn't exist simply because it's women's athletics. My daughter is going through the recruiting process right now and honestly, at most universities, the disparity isn't as egregious as it is in high schools that are run by good old boys reliving their lack of glory days. When male HS sports get new uniforms every single year and the latest and greatest equipment and training facilities and state/nationwide searches for coaches and the females get coaches that are breathing bodies and are given basically scraps or leftovers it is not right by any stretch of the imagination.

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How much is being paid by the booster clubs? I know that the football and basketball booster clubs at my kids' school raises tens of thousands of dollars every year selling sponsorships and advertising at the football and basketball games.

texagbeliever said:

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Faustus said:

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Tibbers said:

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title ix killed men's soccer in this country. We'd be the best in the world at the sport if colleges actually offered free rides to play that dumb sport.

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If you're playing college soccer at 18-22 you're already behind the 8 ball as far as the rest of the world's talent that are competing professionally in the best leagues/systems in the world at that age. For the men anyway.

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It is more like it is another path to success. Basically if the top 1% are going pro by 18-22 but the next 10% are able to get college scholarships then that would increase the expected payoff of playing soccer. Currently just the top 1% see any real return on the investment.

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That makes sense. Not that anyone playing amateur footy and going to school while18-22 are going to make us dominant, but that it increases the pool of players coming up from which the transcendent talent can emerge.

Pretty blatant ignorance of decorum assuming the gender of who is promoted.

Tibbers said:

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title ix killed men's soccer in this country. We'd be the best in the world at the sport if colleges actually offered free rides to play that dumb sport.

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Probably not.

More than likely schools would offer a lot fewer sport's generally and a ton fewer women's sports. A lot of schools (outside of Texas) offer men's soccer.

Scholarship money is a whole different can of worms.

Spotted Ag said:

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Tibbers said:

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Here's a solution, remove title ix. No one cares about women's sports.

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You obviously don't have daughters that have experienced being treated as second-class athletes simply because they don't have a dick.

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Oh no. Anyways no one cares about women's sports.

Faustus said:

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Promoting women's athletics from the article:

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Nebraska pole vaulter Jess Gardner, who has more than 350,000 followers across mostly Instagram and TikTok, credits Nebraska athletics for teaching her about brand management but said the content that built her following was her own doing. She said she didn't get a ton of followers from team promotion, "but it didn't hurt by any means."

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Many women athletes with the most lucrative NIL deals, including LSU gymnast Olivia Dunne, benefited from their followings on Instagram and TikTok.

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I'm sensing a pattern.

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This whole thing is once again just ugly women mad they aren't getting attention. No one cares that these women even play sports, they just like seeing attractive women move around and do things.

The whole Title IX thing is ridiculous. Just like in Professional sports there aren't enough female sports fans to support all of the women's sporting events and men only care about women's sports when the athletes are hot.

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You cannot have the it both ways with Title IX and the things that the Supreme Court has ruled on and expressed opinions on lately.

If it's a market and the players deserve to get paid, then they deserve to get paid based on the market, not on some equity clause. The whole premise of Title IX was that the sports at the University were part of the educational experience. Well, that doesn't really hold much water anymore now that we're saying the football and basketball players are more like employees and deserve to receive their market value.

I could see an exception being carved out for men's basketball and football, putting them in one category and the rest of the sports being held to Title IX standards.

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That's the best case scenario. Men's soccer would then become an option for colleges to reward scholarships.

This has reached Soviet-level absurdity.

So is tu going to get in trouble for having more tweets about women's sports? Or does 'equity' only go one way (like 'racism')?

And how do you keep it perfectly 50/50?

I guess when you tweet out a schedule change for the football game you better tweet out something random about a women's program.

Does that LSU gymnast my teenaged son is obsessed with not make up for all of title IX?

I wondered how long it would take for female athletes to extort money cuz "equity". They can't just be happy that universities give out hundreds of scholarships and spend millions of dollars on women's teams just so they can compete in front of no one but friends and family.

Spotted Ag said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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Tibbers said:

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Here's a solution, remove title ix. No one cares about women's sports.

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You obviously don't have daughter's that have experienced bring treated as second class athlete simply because they don't have a dick.

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Ummm…they are, bro. That's why men's sports at all levels (NBA for WNBA, NCAAF for women's collegiate sports, etc.) help to, or completely subsidize the women's sports teams. They can't stand on their own because very, very few people will voluntarily watch, much less pay to watch women play sports.

Sorry but that is reality.

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I wasn't and I don't believe anyone else is arguing that females are in the same category as males based on athletic ability alone. They aren't for the most part. However, that shouldn't exclude them from having access to same benefits the males have who are also athletes...especially at public universities and high schools that are funded by our tax dollars.

I also haven't seen anyone argue that female professional sports can stand on it's own.

Your statement and others that are similar are tantamount to saying women's athletics shouldn't exist simply because it's women's athletics. My daughter is going through the recruiting process right now and honestly, at most universities, the disparity isn't as egregious as it is in high schools that are run by good old boys reliving their lack of glory days. When male HS sports get new uniforms every single year and the latest and greatest equipment and training facilities and state/nationwide searches for coaches and the females get coaches that are breathing bodies and are given basically scraps or leftovers it is not right by any stretch of the imagination.

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Lose the chip on your shoulder and you'll have a lot more fun. Simply enjoy the journey and don't suffer the fools, there is going to be many.

pagerman @ work said:

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Tibbers said:

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title ix killed men's soccer in this country. We'd be the best in the world at the sport if colleges actually offered free rides to play that dumb sport.

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Probably not.

More than likely schools would offer a lot fewer sport's generally and a ton fewer women's sports. A lot of schools (outside of Texas) offer men's soccer.

Scholarship money is a whole different can of worms.

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Scholarship money is the core of it. Public schools can't as they must have an even balance. Offering men's soccer as club sports is quite different an incentive than full rides. Title IX prevents that while also denying the free market. The free market has clearly spoken that no one cares about women's sports. The fact that title IX exists is the greatest example of that point. If people cared, then title IX wouldn't need to exist. Move women's sports to club sports. Mom and dad can still go and fans of the sport, though fewer, can still go. ESPN will still put them on tv because of political reasons. Everyone wins.

Not to be overly harsh, but, women relatively are "second class" athletes. They're not second class people, students, or amongst themselves or for anything else, but, relative to their male peers, they are slower, weaker and have less ability. These things lead to fans preferring one over the other.

I understand title 9 exist to force that reality to the side. But, your daughter is taking some guy's scholarship, if you want to look at it that way.

Bigger picture- This article is nothing but a dei hit piece and finding monsters that don't exist.

1. It based in the false premise that social media exposure must be equal. That's inaccurate- it must be proportional
2. It's impossible to do as the article suggest, and give women athletes the same exposure simply because it's impossible to give all athletes the same social media exposure, woman or man.


Dei already destroys everything it touches. NIL will come in and mop up what's left.

Name one women's program that is not a money drain? With the odd exception, most women's program lose money in the name of being fair. I don't know why they even bring up the issue other than trying to be pc and start a conversation that NOBODY cares about. Just because your volleyball team gets one less social media post than the men's golf team your not giving the same representation. NOBODY CARES!!!!!!!!

The NYT has a word comparison game and today's comparison named four WNBA teams which no one, including me, got.

Tibbers said:

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Here's a solution, remove title ix. No one cares about women's sports.

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That is patently false. Hello, Lesbians !!!

DTP02 said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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Tibbers said:

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Here's a solution, remove title ix. No one cares about women's sports.

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You obviously don't have daughters that have experienced being treated as second-class athletes simply because they don't have a dick.

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Is it because of that, or is it because there is so much less interest in female sports?

I knew plenty of male, non-revenue athletes at A&M who thought they were treated as "second-class athletes." It was about the relative lack of interest in their sport, not about their gender.

Look how hard ESPN tries to push and publicize the WNBA on a disinterested public, without ever getting much traction.

Softball is the only female collegiate sport that draws a decent amount of interest.

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Well....

There IS women's volleyball...

DTP02 said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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Tibbers said:

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Here's a solution, remove title ix. No one cares about women's sports.

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You obviously don't have daughters that have experienced being treated as second-class athletes simply because they don't have a dick.

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Softball is the only female collegiate sport that draws a decent amount of interest.

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Honestly, you're kind of dumb. I mean, how can you write something so ignorant?

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A&M MOST Universities promotes women's soccer WAY more than men's.

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And still no none gives a damn about soccer as a spectator sport besides mom and dad.

A blast to play though.

FIFY

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pagerman @ work said:

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Tibbers said:

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title ix killed men's soccer in this country. We'd be the best in the world at the sport if colleges actually offered free rides to play that dumb sport.

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Probably not.

More than likely schools would offer a lot fewer sport's generally and a ton fewer women's sports. A lot of schools (outside of Texas) offer men's soccer.

Scholarship money is a whole different can of worms.

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Scholarship money is the core of it. Public schools can't as they must have an even balance. Offering men's soccer as club sports is quite different an incentive than full rides. Title IX prevents that while also denying the free market. The free market has clearly spoken that no one cares about women's sports. The fact that title IX exists is the greatest example of that point. If people cared, then title IX wouldn't need to exist. Move women's sports to club sports. Mom and dad can still go and fans of the sport, though fewer, can still go. ESPN will still put them on tv because of political reasons. Everyone wins.

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No one cares about men's soccer either.

Most sports that aren't football and men's basketball don't offer more than a few full rides at most. Most non-revenue sports (regardless of the gender of the players) have a little scholarship money that they generally split between multiple players or load on to 1 or 2 high value recruits.

Lots of schools throughout the country offer men's soccer as a non-club sport. The fact that most schools in Texas don't is a choice, not an inevitable consequence of Title 9.