Do they not teach history anymore?

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4268117-americans-overwhelmingly-support-israel-in-war-with-hamas-poll/

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In contrast, 95 percent of respondents 65 years and older said they sided with Israel while 5 percent sided with Hamas.

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The survey also found that roughly three-fourths of respondents 76 percent said Hamas's killing of 1,200 Israeli civilians could not be justified by the grievances of Palestinians, while 24 percent said it could be justified.

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I get the argument of "well there are Palestinians and then there is Hamas", but this poll is straight up supporting Hamas. 48% support radical Islamic terrorism. The murdering of innocent jews.

And there is a non-zero population of these oxygen thieves that call conservatives "nazis" and "fascists" with no sense of irony at all. Unbelievable.

Wonder what party they vote for …

Dont believe everything the hill puts out.

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while 24 percent said it could be justified.

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Justified for what reason? I still haven't heard

War is war? We weren't so kind to Tokyo in 1945.

Old_Ag_91 said:

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Dont believe everything the hill puts out.

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True, but anyone supporting Anti-Semitism deserves to be called out and thought of in the worst possible way.

As for the poll, I'd love to know the demographics of those who supported Hama. I know I wouldn't be surprised if most of the non-Palestinians who support it were born and bred in a privileged, wonder-bread suburban life.

Youth really is wasted on the young.

Same reasons Hitler was "justified." Jews control everything.

Wow, the results of that poll are just f'ed up. 18-24 year olds are a mess!

TexAgs91 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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while 24 percent said it could be justified.

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Justified for what reason? I still haven't heard

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People use the word justified a lot when provoked/unprovoked would be a better phrasing.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was not Justified. But it also was provoked.

Hamas killing 1000 Jews is never justifiable but it's not unprovoked.

ETA: just to remove confusion or accusations, I'm rabidly anti-Russia and and anti-Palestine. I'm mildly anti-Israel and meh about Ukraine.

If it makes you feel worse, I guarantee you Jews within that sample who vote Dem were in the opposed to Hamas camp. That means if you exclude Jews from the sample, a majority of that age group supports Hamas.

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TexAgs91 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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while 24 percent said it could be justified.

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Justified for what reason? I still haven't heard

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People use the word justified a lot when provoked/unprovoked would be a better phrasing.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was not Justified. But it also was provoked.

Hamas killing 1000 Jews is never justifiable but it's not unprovoked.

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How did Israel and Ukraine not unprovoke/provoke the invasions they had, or in Ukraine's case, still have?

ugly, liberal white women likely a huge % of the demographic, no doubt.

c-jags said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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while 24 percent said it could be justified.

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Justified for what reason? I still haven't heard

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People use the word justified a lot when provoked/unprovoked would be a better phrasing.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was not Justified. But it also was provoked.

Hamas killing 1000 Jews is never justifiable but it's not unprovoked.

ETA: just to remove confusion or accusations, I'm rabidly anti-Russia and and anti-Palestine. I'm mildly anti-Israel and meh about Ukraine.

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I understand the point you are making, but that wasn't the question being asked. Justified was the word used.

TexAgs91 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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while 24 percent said it could be justified.

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Justified for what reason? I still haven't heard

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They can murder civilians because of a territory dispute, because they are brown and the jews are white, and "muh aparteid".

Zero of them are true, of course, it's just Islam being practiced as Mohammad intended.

Old_Ag_91 said:

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Dont believe everything the hill puts out.

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The Hill had nothing to do with it.

It was a Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll.

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c-jags said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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while 24 percent said it could be justified.

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Justified for what reason? I still haven't heard

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People use the word justified a lot when provoked/unprovoked would be a better phrasing.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was not Justified. But it also was provoked.

Hamas killing 1000 Jews is never justifiable but it's not unprovoked.

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How did Israel and Ukraine not unprovoke/provoke the invasions they had, or in Ukraine's case, still have?

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The Palestine people are people made in God's image and deserve dignity. For the people that haven't voted for Hamas, and are under their rule and influence without elections for 20 years, I truly feel sorry for them.

That being said, they're a people without a home that nobody wants and they honestly don't matter on the world's scale and their plight is pretty inconsequential to the goings on. Nobody in the ME wants their people as refugees.

That is to say, while I don't wish ill on them, none of us really care about them till something like this pops off. They're stuck in an area they don't want to be and Israel gets to say when they can come and go, have electricity, etc. I'm not blaming Israel but they are a very easy boogeyman

Regarding Ukraine, Nyet means nyet. NATO and the US kept poking that bear over and over.

https://audittheempire.com/04-29-19/


"What did they do to provoke" is the modern day equivalent to "and some day for no reason whatsoever, they voted Hitler into power."

I have profound respect for anyone with combat experience. Those 48% are internet tough guys. If you support Hamas and the 'right' of the oppressed to defeat the 'colonizers', nut it up and join the fight. Fly to the Middle East and load up. See how it feels to get engaged with folks who will fight back.

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c-jags said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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while 24 percent said it could be justified.

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Justified for what reason? I still haven't heard

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People use the word justified a lot when provoked/unprovoked would be a better phrasing.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was not Justified. But it also was provoked.

Hamas killing 1000 Jews is never justifiable but it's not unprovoked.

ETA: just to remove confusion or accusations, I'm rabidly anti-Russia and and anti-Palestine. I'm mildly anti-Israel and meh about Ukraine.

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I understand the point you are making, but that wasn't the question being asked. Justified was the word used.

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It's being used because the answer would be wildly different if the word provoked was used.

If the yes/no question is " do you want Israel/Ukraine to win?" My answer is yes.

But that wholly fails to encapsulate my feelings on either conflict.

Many/most of the alphabet soup supports Hamas. Do you think they know it isn't reciprocal? I doubt it because they live in their own little cocoon and don't learn about the real world around us.

It would also be wildly different answers if the word acceptable was used. But it wasn't. Swapping out the question for a different one will lead to a different response isn't really rocket surgery. It's common sense.

The word justified was used, and almost one quarter of respondents agree that it was. Over half of the 18-24 crowd. That's what is being discussed.

The 26th Amendment was a huge mistake

This is a clear reflection of our education system being wholly broken.

Unbelievable how much support Hamas has.

I question the hill because of the sources they use thus i say dont trust what the hill says. Same point.

For most people all that matters is who is most easily labeled oppressed vs oppressor because that is the kind of analysis that is taught to us over any kind of critical thinking or any kind of true complex understanding.

Also, its always been that way, not a new thing. The masses (people of the land, common clay of the new west) have always been taught to think in a dichomatic "good vs evil" way, just maybe in "the good old days" that was a more patriotic or religious way and now its a phase thats more cynical or revolutionary.

I hope you are kidding about it being Tokyo.
In any case, the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, most likely saved more lives than taken, in the long run.

Well, with the exception of Hamas that came across the border, this isn't our fight.

The blue haired morons who support this also think that if their little "decolonizing" revolution actually happened that they would lauded as heroes instead of just the last ones to be loaded onto a train car and their property seized and "redistributed" too

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I hope you are kidding about it being Tokyo.
In any case, the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, most likely saved more lives than taken, in the long run.

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Iwo Jima and Okinawa prove this

They teach history now but it's very unbalanced history. I got into it with my 24 yo last night over the lack of
Balance and breadth and depth that the young adults know now.

Not my two boys……..I have discussed the Israeli/Arab conflict since they were young. The thing that blew them away was the Hamas's version of Micky Mouse

American Jews I mean Democrats don't even support Israel bc they actually practice Judaism in Israel

Sotero-Judges said:

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This is a clear reflection of our education system being wholly broken.

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Doc Hayworth said:

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I hope you are kidding about it being Tokyo.
In any case, the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, most likely saved more lives than taken, in the long run.

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Fire bombing of Tokyo killed more than both atomic bombs

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Doc Hayworth said:

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I hope you are kidding about it being Tokyo.
In any case, the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, most likely saved more lives than taken, in the long run.

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Iwo Jima and Okinawa prove this

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